Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Results v2

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Originally Posted by Leto

Thanks. That's quite a bit of Mongoloid - over 4%. Anything is know about his Russian ancestry? It must have come over there from afar.

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Nope, I suppose it's just Northern Russian. The neighbourhood that I grew up in received mostly migrants from Saint Petersburg in Soviet times and there quite a couple of Siberian/East Asian hints in faces. His admixture could be related or from somewhere else in the country.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Nope, I suppose it's just Northern Russian. The neighbourhood that I grew up in received mostly migrants from Saint Petersburg in Soviet times and there quite a couple of Siberian/East Asian hints in faces. His admixture could be related or from somewhere else in the country.

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Um, if you mean Leningrad oblast, they are Northwest Russians (long-time residents). That type of Russians actually look whiter than average, blonder and more Finnish-like. Don't know why they would migrate to Moldova from the second-largest city of Russia. Sure neighboring Ukrainians would look more similar to Moldovans than them.

From Vrancea (Romania's Moldavia)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.43
2 North_Atlantic 24.37
3 West_Med 14.81
4 East_Med 14.49
5 West_Asian 10.05
6 Red_Sea 3.2
7 South_Asian 2.96
8 Siberian 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.79
10 Oceanian 0.51
11 East_Asian 0.37
12 Sub-Saharan 0.06


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.82
2 Romanian 5.21
3 Moldavian 6.82
4 Bulgarian 7.47
5 Hungarian 9.64
6 Croatian 9.66
7 Austrian 13.07
8 East_German 14.51
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.41
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.77
11 South_Polish 16.67
12 Ukrainian 17.28
13 West_German 18.07
14 North_Italian 18.94
15 French 19.51
16 South_Dutch 19.61
17 Tuscan 19.84
18 Polish 20.16
19 Southwest_Russian 20.29
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.47


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.8% Serbian + 7.2% MA-1 @ 1.76
2 95% Serbian + 5% Kshatriya @ 2.12
3 93.9% Serbian + 6.1% Pathan @ 2.13
4 95% Serbian + 5% Gujarati @ 2.15
5 94.7% Serbian + 5.3% Brahmin_UP @ 2.16
6 94% Serbian + 6% Burusho @ 2.17
7 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Kanjar @ 2.17
8 94.1% Serbian + 5.9% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.18
9 95.4% Serbian + 4.6% Dharkar @ 2.19
10 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% North_Kannadi @ 2.2
11 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% Bangladeshi @ 2.21
12 57.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 42.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.24
13 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Dusadh @ 2.25
14 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Velamas @ 2.25
15 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Kurumba @ 2.25
16 95.6% Serbian + 4.4% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.26
17 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Kol @ 2.26
18 96% Serbian + 4% Piramalai @ 2.26
19 96.1% Serbian + 3.9% Chamar @ 2.28
20 94.8% Serbian + 5.2% Sindhi @ 2.3

Distance to:	Vrancea_ind
3.72687537	Romania_Moldova_Nord
4.23566996	Romania_Moldova_Csango
4.26357831	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.77035638	Romania_Maramures
5.06848103	Romania_Crisana
5.20433473	Romania_Transilvania
5.78822154	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
5.81740203	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
5.85281983	Romania_Oltenia
6.54508976	Romania_Banat
6.89567981	Romania_Muntenia
7.19720779	Romania_Dobrogea
8.54732122	Bulgarian
11.56619644	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
11.63663182	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
12.86839928	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
16.90102955	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
17.98864364	Ukrainian_Lviv
25.34448263	Crimean_Tatar
27.50770801	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
30.37712462	Romania_Jewish
31.46442753	Romania_Roma

Target: Vrancea_ind
Distance: 2.0924% / 2.09235315 | ADC: 0.25x
86.8 Romania_Moldova_Nord
7.4 Romania_Roma
4.4 Aromanian_North-Macedonia
1.4 Ukrainian_Lviv

-Aromanians
Target: Vrancea_ind
Distance: 2.1783% / 2.17834066 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Romania_Moldova_Nord
7.8 Romania_Roma
3.2 Romania_Crisana
3.0 Romania_Moldova_Sud

The Vrancea reference has only 1 individual, so it's far from being representative.

Distance to:	Vrancea_ind
3.11139840	Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
3.41087965	Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.15202360	Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.31478852	Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
4.44364715	Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
5.24716114	Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
5.57403803	Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
6.12188696	Romania_Moldavia_Galati

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Originally Posted by Leto

Um, if you mean Leningrad oblast, they are Northwest Russians (long-time residents). That type of Russians actually look whiter than average, blonder and more Finnish-like. Don't know why they would migrate to Moldova from the second-largest city of Russia. Sure neighboring Ukrainians would look more similar to Moldovans than them.

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Yep, blonder, whiter than average, but with Mong features. Obviously only a fraction of them were like that, but it was obvious compared to the general population.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Yep, blonder, whiter than average, but with Mong features. Obviously only a fraction of them were like that, but it was obvious compared to the general population.

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You think 5-10% East Eurasia can be phenotypically noticeable?

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Originally Posted by Leto

You think 5-10% East Eurasia can be phenotypically noticeable?

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If is Turkic, most likely, if is Finno-Ugric, not very much.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

If is Turkic, most likely, if is Finno-Ugric, not very much.

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Strange logic. Those are linguistic terms. In us it (East Eurasian) is not "Turkic" most of the time (unless recent ancestry from the last 100 years or so) but it's noticeable sometimes, though without both photos and DNA results it's a rather pointless discussion. Chris also thought he should be Asian.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

From Vrancea (Romania's Moldavia)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.43
2 North_Atlantic 24.37
3 West_Med 14.81
4 East_Med 14.49
5 West_Asian 10.05
6 Red_Sea 3.2
7 South_Asian 2.96
8 Siberian 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.79
10 Oceanian 0.51
11 East_Asian 0.37
12 Sub-Saharan 0.06


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.82
2 Romanian 5.21
3 Moldavian 6.82
4 Bulgarian 7.47
5 Hungarian 9.64
6 Croatian 9.66
7 Austrian 13.07
8 East_German 14.51
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.41
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.77
11 South_Polish 16.67
12 Ukrainian 17.28
13 West_German 18.07
14 North_Italian 18.94
15 French 19.51
16 South_Dutch 19.61
17 Tuscan 19.84
18 Polish 20.16
19 Southwest_Russian 20.29
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.47


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.8% Serbian + 7.2% MA-1 @ 1.76
2 95% Serbian + 5% Kshatriya @ 2.12
3 93.9% Serbian + 6.1% Pathan @ 2.13
4 95% Serbian + 5% Gujarati @ 2.15
5 94.7% Serbian + 5.3% Brahmin_UP @ 2.16
6 94% Serbian + 6% Burusho @ 2.17
7 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Kanjar @ 2.17
8 94.1% Serbian + 5.9% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.18
9 95.4% Serbian + 4.6% Dharkar @ 2.19
10 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% North_Kannadi @ 2.2
11 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% Bangladeshi @ 2.21
12 57.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 42.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.24
13 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Dusadh @ 2.25
14 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Velamas @ 2.25
15 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Kurumba @ 2.25
16 95.6% Serbian + 4.4% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.26
17 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Kol @ 2.26
18 96% Serbian + 4% Piramalai @ 2.26
19 96.1% Serbian + 3.9% Chamar @ 2.28
20 94.8% Serbian + 5.2% Sindhi @ 2.3

Distance to:	Vrancea_ind
3.72687537	Romania_Moldova_Nord
4.23566996	Romania_Moldova_Csango
4.26357831	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.77035638	Romania_Maramures
5.06848103	Romania_Crisana
5.20433473	Romania_Transilvania
5.78822154	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
5.81740203	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
5.85281983	Romania_Oltenia
6.54508976	Romania_Banat
6.89567981	Romania_Muntenia
7.19720779	Romania_Dobrogea
8.54732122	Bulgarian
11.56619644	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
11.63663182	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
12.86839928	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
16.90102955	Aromanian_Central-Macedonia
17.98864364	Ukrainian_Lviv
25.34448263	Crimean_Tatar
27.50770801	Romania_Dobruja_Tatar
30.37712462	Romania_Jewish
31.46442753	Romania_Roma

Target: Vrancea_ind
Distance: 2.0924% / 2.09235315 | ADC: 0.25x
86.8 Romania_Moldova_Nord
7.4 Romania_Roma
4.4 Aromanian_North-Macedonia
1.4 Ukrainian_Lviv

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At almost 3% South Asian would you categorize him/her as part Roma and put him/her in a "just a bit of diversity" bin ?

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

At almost 3% South Asian would you categorize him/her as part Roma and put him/her in a "just a bit of diversity" bin ?

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You'd need HarappaWorld or Dodecad for that. K13's SA is a more mixed component.

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Originally Posted by Leto

You think 5-10% East Eurasia can be phenotypically noticeable?

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Can we not, I know you are insecure, but let's leave this discussion. It will manifest in some, but probably not in most.