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Originally Posted by Jäärapää
The Comb-Ceramic Culture/Finno-Ugric people predate the Corded Ware culture/Indo-Europeans in North-Eastern Europe by 1300 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
The gradual assimilation of the Finnic populations south of us(the Estonians) is proved by archeological evidence.
Estonians are practically the only representative of the former southern-Finnic group. As the Livonians are extinct/assimilated, the Votes are almost extinct and even further in the past, southern-Finnic populations were assimilated even more south(Lithuania, Belarus etc.)
Anyone who says that the Indo-Europeans predate the Finno-Ugrians in Northern-Europe is either an Indo-European fanatic/extremist or just dumb.
This isn't the question that people are thinking about. The main question is, did we arrive here around 10 000 BC or 4 200 BC? Few people(scientists) are bold enough to say that the Indo-Europeans predate anyone in Northern-Europe.
My results from the Intra-North European ADMIXTURE analysis.
34.2 % - Western European
41.5 % - Finnish
21.1 % - Russian
3.2 % Baltic
.Intra-North European ADMIXTURE analysis.
....Western-European ...Finnish .....Russian .....Baltic
Loki .........0.743881 .. 0.110156 .. 0.145954 .. 0.00001
Karl .........0.10% ...... 0.29% ..... 0% .......... 0.61%
Don Draper 0.342 ....... 0.415 ....... 0.211 ...... 0.32
OSWEO......0.785143 .. 0.093324 .. 0.00001.... 0.121523 :chin:
Neolithic wave thingy;
KARL:
34.7% Basque
65.29% Chuvash
0% Armenian
0% Nganassan + Dolgan + Yukagir
OSWEO:
53.9665 Basque
46.0315 Chuvash
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New results y´all! :thumb001:
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2011/0...-analysis.html
Mine:
45.3 % Finnish
27.8 % Western European
16.6 % Baltic
7.4 % North Atlantic
2.9 % Volga-Ural
Roughly:
78.3% North-Atlantic
20.3% Finnish
1.3% Volga-Ural
0.0% Baltic
0.0% Western-European
Why did I get 0% "Western European" this time? A bit confusing.
North Atlantic - 90.79%
Finnish - 6.77%
Volga Ural - 2.42%
Baltic - 0%
Western European - 0%
I'm the second most 'North Atlantic' Norwegian after NO9 and the second least 'Finnish' after NO3 on this run.
Must be a mistake :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Interesting really, but looking at the results, I'm still least sure about the Finnish-Baltic distinction. Because it seems some people "jump" just on one side, in such a radical way in comparison to others, that it makes me still wonder how that can be and if the differentiation of Baltic and Finnic in particular is always that "clean".
K-4
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/494/graphz.png
K-5
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7122/graph1q.png
Lemminkäinen response to my results on ABF:
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Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen
My results:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Draper
Finnish: 32.1%
Baltic: 60.2%
Western-European 0%
Volga-Ural 0%
North-Atlantic 7.5%
That's Polako for you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
As I stated earlier, "southern-Finnic" is more dominant in that "Baltic" group than anything else.
At least Polako changed his "labels". Before Finnish was Finnic and completely Finnic Estonians could have scored very low in the Finnic area, because they are the last remaining southern-Finnics together with the Votes and the extinct Livonians. He only had Finns in his Finnic group, no other Finnic people. For him Finns = Finnic, while in reality, the proto-Finnic area was somewhere south-east of modern-day Finland and Finns are "peripheral" Finnic people. The core Finnic group has been assimilated by the Russians and the Balts ages ago. There was an article about this somewhere.
By the way, I have dozens of Finnish relatives on 23andme and I am even related to a Finnish member of this forum, while I have no Baltic cousins. The first people in my cousin's list are all Estonians, then come the Finns.
Average values:
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BELARUS (N=10)
Finnish: 5.2%
Baltic: 76.9%
Western European: 13.0%
Volga-Ural: 2.1%
North Atlantic: 2.7%
CHUVASH (N=17)
Finnish: 1.1%
Baltic: 4.9%
Western European: 1.0%
Volga-Ural: 92.4%
North Atlantic: 0.5%
DENMARK (N=2)
Finnish: 6.4%
Baltic: 5.7%
Western European: 15.1%
Volga-Ural: 2.6%
North Atlantic: 70.2%
ESTONIA (N=2)
Finnish: 29.2%
Baltic: 57.5%
Western European: 2.8%
Volga-Ural: 0.2%
North Atlantic: 10.2%
FINLAND (N=18)
Finnish: 76.8%
Baltic: 6.7%
Western European: 2.9%
Volga-Ural: 2.5%
North Atlantic: 11.1%
FRANCE (N=31)
Finnish: 4.1%
Baltic: 6.7%
Western European: 51.9%
Volga-Ural: 1.1%
North Atlantic: 36.2%
GERMANY (N=9)
Finnish: 6.3%
Baltic: 22.2%
Western European: 28.4%
Volga-Ural: 1.5%
North Atlantic: 41.6%
HUNGARY (N=18)
Finnish: 5.2%
Baltic: 37.1%
Western European: 37.4%
Volga-Ural: 3.2%
North Atlantic: 17.1%
IRELAND (N=10)
Finnish: 1.5%
Baltic: 1.5%
Western European: 12.5%
Volga-Ural: 1.7%
North Atlantic: 82.7%
LITHUANIA (N=10)
Finnish: 1.8%
Baltic: 93.9%
Western European: 1.5%
Volga-Ural: 0.6%
North Atlantic: 2.2%
NORTH RUSSIA (N=25)
Finnish: 20.4%
Baltic: 49.3%
Western European: 3.3%
Volga-Ural: 23.7%
North Atlantic: 3.3%
NORWAY (N=8)
Finnish: 10.5%
Baltic: 5.4%
Western European: 1.1%
Volga-Ural: 2.5%
North Atlantic: 80.5%
POLAND (N=10)
Finnish: 4.3%
Baltic: 61.1%
Western European: 19.8%
Volga-Ural: 2.6%
North Atlantic: 12.2%
RUSSIA (N=12)
Finnish: 13.5%
Baltic: 58.3%
Western European: 9.0%
Volga-Ural: 11.9%
North Atlantic: 7.4%
SWEDEN (N=7)
Finnish: 16.6%
Baltic: 11.7%
Western European: 6.6%
Volga-Ural: 2.0%
North Atlantic: 63.2%
UK (N=20)
Finnish: 5.7%
Baltic: 5.3%
Western European: 21.6%
Volga-Ural: 0.9%
North Atlantic: 66.6%
UKRAINE (N=2)
Finnish: 14.0%
Baltic: 59.7%
Western European: 15.7%
Volga-Ural: 2.8%
North Atlantic: 7.9%
My Finnish score is now lower than the Norwegian average...
My Finnish score is higher than yours lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Also Norwegians are more North Atlantic than the Brits.:cool:
You can now call me Kull of Atlantis
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_p47Aa2K8l-...lbarbarian.jpg
...And in a previous test Loki was 14% Russian while I was 0% Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
This is one of the many reasons why I look at 23andme and all of these "tests" as entertainment, not science.
My results
11.03 % Finnish
20.50 % Western European
00.31 % Baltic
68.16% North Atlantic
00.00 % Volga-Ural
Both of my parents are shown as 100% Finnish at K=4 and K=5.
I've done a 23andme test. I've gotten >99% european and <1% asian, I would like to do this, but how do I get the raw data?
Download it from your 23andme account (Account > Browse Raw Data > Download Raw Data).Quote:
Originally Posted by Efim45
I just read on the website that he closed the submission period back in February, is it still closed?
My results:
45.0% North Atlantic
37.0% Western European
11.5% Finnish
06.4% Volga-Ural
00.0% Baltic
The hell...
Loki is also more Volga-Ural and Finnish than me.:D
Me too:
Finnish: 0.001%
Baltic: 11.7%
West European: 44.03%
Volga-Ural: 1.3%
North Atlantic: 42.95%
I seem to be more in line with the French folks, there.
Yeah, you and me are similar to French and German ... but I have the added quirk of having no Baltic component at all, which is weird. Averages about 20% in Germans. So I am clearly rather different.Quote:
Originally Posted by AcadianDriftwood
That's your Adonis DNA. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Loki
No, actually, I would think I would have a higher percentage from the Northern European areas because of my father.
I made a joke that I think I should call the Maury Povich show. :lol:
I thought North Atlantic was Adonis DNA!:D
Most of you are more Volga-Ural than I(0%) am. This is quite surprising, especially when seeing this in Western-Europeans.
Also being 0% Russian in a previous test, while seeing Western-Europeans being more Russian than me, was also interesting. As North-Western Russians are very Finnic/Northern-European. I assume that he didn't have any NW-Russians in his base groups. OR the NW-Russians all just scored 100% Finnish :p
Is there an easy to get program for this mess:
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/04/g...ding-2000.html
Because my excel can't copy all the info, at least I can't do it and in the text form it is useless.
There were 25 Vologda Russians in the K=5 run. Their average scores were 49% Baltic, 24% Volga-Ural, 20% Finnish, 3% Western European, 3% North Atlantic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jäärapää
Access database is the way to go. I'll try importing it and see what I can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
I want to know why Lithuanians have autosomally almost no East Asian ancestry and not much "Finnish" in that analysis when their haplogroup frequencies are close to Finland's.
Okay I managed to pull all the data into Access. Now to see how to make sense of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Of course one could do Excel pivot tables on top of the Access table. I'll have a look.
Access? Excel?
Puh. Microsoft.
Finnic ancestry isn't related to East Asian ancestry. Some Finns have it because of the Saami and the Saami have it because of the Samoyedic/Siberian influence. But other Finnic groups do not have it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by cg93
Now to answer your other question. That "Baltic" group should actually be renamed to "southern-Finnic". As the Lithuanians, Latvians and some Belorussians descend mostly from the native Finnic population of this region.
Just look how heavily FinN1C the Lithuanians are. :p
Damn. Maximum of 255 columns in my Access version. I'll use another database.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
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Originally Posted by Jäärapää
Are Estonians and Lithuanians more related to Finns or to people from Poland? That's my final question.
Not that easy hmm...it is just too large unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I've downloaded a programme called UltraEdit. Seems to be doing the trick. It easily opens the whole file. I'm now just fiddling to get it in the right format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
I could post individual results for whomever.
It would be nice If you'd post mine Franz:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Franz
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1303417665
I think GSM536696 is Dodecad's V609.