We all know this! If you live in stereotypes this is your problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
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We all know this! If you live in stereotypes this is your problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
молодец..но ты должен знать что россиянам наплевать на болгар..мы только за сербов..все остальные предатели и недославяне(это не я первый высказал эту мысль)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I hate defending Putin, but he has changed somehow over the past two decades. Some even say he may have doppelgangers, but I don't know. Anyway, this is him in 1998-99:
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Not really mongoloid to me.
Если честно, мне плевать на то, что "россияне" думают. Я не идентифицируюсь с путинско-кадыровским гражданским "патриотизмом". И вообще, панславянство - ерунда, нас мало что объединяет. Чеху ближе австрийцы и венгры культурно, чем русские.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
это будет верно! помнишь что говорил Достоевский?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
кстати я не троллировал боснийца, а написал что написал это он уже привязался ко мне
Надо было прочитать тему, а потом комментировать. Ислам это не раса, полно голубоглазых светлых чеченцев, аварцев, даже афганцы и таджики попадаются (арийская кровь). Я уж молчу про татар, которые по сути восточные европейцы + монголоидная примесь. Кто здесь о культуре и религии говорит? Я сам против ислама и турок не люблю, но для меня правда и объективность превыше всякой идеологии. Чувак явно севернее генетически, чем те же сербы и болгары.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
I feel the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
мне встречались сербы с подобной схемой!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Well, full-blown civic 'nationalism' doesn't make sense. I mean having some foreigners and some assimilation is okay, but saying that a nation can be based solely on some idea or whatever is ridiculous, 'cause you can't put different races, cultures and religions together, give them a constitution and expect them to feel close to each other despite having nothing in common. Race, culture, religion, history are still very important things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
Oh just stop it. Religion isn't the same as culture anyways there are plenty of non-Muslim Albanians and BosniansQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
I stand with Orthodox Albanians. There was a fantastic Orthodox Albanian guy called Herr Abubu, too bad he is gone (forever?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
What about us catholics ;)......I think he got a permanent banQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Not bad either, but personally I especially identify with Orthodox people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
That's bad news!Quote:
I think he got a permanent ban
I saw on some American maps that Albanians and Bosnians are known as non-Europeans!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Americans are not Europeans. So why you are looking on their maps?Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
Just interesting opinions how others look at us! xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer Admixture Proportions
Population
Anatolian Farmer 15.27
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 51.09
Middle Eastern Herder 4.73
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.85
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 1.16
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 26.56
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.29
Bantu Farmer -
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Originally Posted by Leto
Only in your fantasy. Belorussians have mongoloid markers, and they are closer to the asian nations in the autosomal coordinates: http://dienekes.blogspot.hu/2012/07/...ixture-in.html
But it is normal, you are eastern people, eastern semi-asian culture (orthodox), eastern balloon heads etc....
Are you Stearsolina?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
Congratz, i bet you are hella proud of your ancestors now :lol:
Hungarians more mongol than balkans according to your graphQuote:
Originally Posted by Stears
Indeed, this is the zone of eastern forest peoples. He should be proud of Oghuric Avars who spread the language that he speaks in the Balkans as well as later Oghuric Khazars who laid the foundation future Varangian (Viking) Kievan Rus by founding the city of Kiev and accustoming early Slavs to state foundation and political organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by itilvolga
You occupy the opposite radical spectrum of Bori. The entire steppe was Turkic since 5 century AD. Slavs eventually overwhelmed Turks with muskets and technology they got from Western Europe. Due to your bias, you constantly refer to Turks as a bunch of nomads failing to acknowledge that Turkic khaganates and smaller polities employed various writing systems, established cities and built fortresses all across the Steppes. Why don't you call Scythians a bunch of pillaging nomads? Early Slavic polities in the East were established by Vikings. The city of Kiev itself was founded by Khazars who built a fortress there. Thus the Greek name Sambatas from Turkic Sambat aka 'high fortress'. State foundation and political organization was brought by Turks to Eastern Europe. Obviously, the culture of Turks was no match for Meditarranean or Chinese ones, but far more advanced than that of Eastern or Northern Europe or that of Scythians who lost the Steppes to Turks and were absorbed by various Turkic groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahli
Because we're not talking about Scythians here, if it was the case I would have said the same because they were degenerate as fuck culturally compared to Persians. I merely called him out and said he was wrong, and he is. Look up history, slavery was still a thing among Turkic people up til the late 19th century, only abolished by the invading Russians, Turkic "advanced" culture didn't last very long because they didn't modernize, by the time they were conquered by others they were still 500 years behind culturally engaging in mass slavery and raiding. So its not a bias I carry here, its facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaglakar
Genetically we are 0% East Asian or 0% non European, you Russians are 3% East Asian or more, by default we are more European than a Russian, however race itself is a designation made by humans based on religious or culture criteria mostly, I careless what our mentality may look to others to be honest, I think Orthodox religion is most backward religion but you will disagree with it, so the impressions are mutual.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
Yet another bias. Slavery was rampant all around world except Western Europe. Russian serfdom is a form slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahli
I'm giving you examples, it's not a bias. Why do I have to mention the whole world's slavery problem? We're talking about Turks here, fact is; If it wasn't for the Russians the slavery in Central Asia could have continued for longer time when it was already abolished in most parts of the world. Russian serfdom was abolished in 1861 by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaglakar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._the_Caucasus;
"When the Russian troops took Khiva in 1898 there were 29,300 Persian slaves, captured by Turkoman raiders. According of Josef Wolff (Report of 1843–1845) the population of the Khanate of Bukhara was 1,200,000, of whom 200,000 were Persian slaves.[95]"
Go educate yourself, and stop being offended by facts.
The message was not for you. It was for Vlatko, Leto and Pahli. You did not get culture from Byzantines. Your ancestors as vassals of Oghuric Avars pillaged Romans. That is how proto-Slavic language spread in the Balkans. Plus you are a Macedonian which is not really Europe. I don't care about DNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by *****
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Kurt Jonassohn. 1998. Genocide and Gross Human Rights Violations. Routledge
You can't call backwards orthodox/christians when you come from a muslim country and are most likely muslim.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
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When the Muslim population remains under 2% in a country, they will be seen primarily as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the current situation in:
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
As the Muslim population reaches 2% to 5%, they begin to recruit from ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, within prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
“From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population,” Dr. Hammond notes. “For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food” and increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature such food on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is happening in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
Soon they begin to apply pressure to allow Sharia law within their own communities (sometimes ghettos).
“When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions,” Dr. Hammond notes. “In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.” These tensions are seen on a regular basis in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
Riots in Pakistan, 2013
Riots in Pakistan, 2013
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
The violence increases when the Muslim population reaches 20%. “After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues,” such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
“At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare,” such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, persecution of non-believing “infidels” rises significantly, including sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and Jizya, a tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out “infidels,” and move toward a 100% Muslim society, which has been experienced to some degree in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
A 100% Muslim society will theoretically usher in their version of peace — the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. “Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word,” such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
You don't get the point do you? Slavery was rampant everywhere except Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahli
" Consequently, by 1870 the trade in African slaves to Iran through the Indian Ocean had been significantly diminished. Although the diplomatic efforts of the Russians and the British did result in a decline in the trade, slavery was still common in Iran under the Qajar dynasty and it was not until the first half of twentieth century that slavery was officially abolished in Iran under Reza Shah Pahlavi." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Iran
"Slavery in China has taken various forms throughout history. Slavery was reportedly abolished as a legally recognized institution, including in a 1909 law[1][2] fully enacted in 1910,[3] although the practice continued until at least 1949.[4]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China
All your arguments are normative. Slavery would have been abolished in early 20th century as was the case throughout the world.
If anything for sake of argument Orthodoxy is one of the least evolved & most primitive kind of christianity, therefore backward in my book and so are countries whom their people practice this religion, I can attest this better than you in America who barely know more than dozen of Orthodox there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MalinBot
Stats usually can be misused or ill interpreted on the way you like, so I won't really bother to answer one by one.
The Muslim countries are the least developed, even in Balkans.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
During the Ottomans era it was the opposite, so were Muslims in Spain before reconquista, or Arabs before, the convenient momentum for Christians is not a good measurement to draw a final conclusion or good argument to drop my argument in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MalinBot
There is a lot of misconception regarding Islamic Spain due to the Western and Anglo-Saxonic narrative being politcally correct regarding that period and not backing themselves on concrete evidence. I would recommend you to read books written by Iberian scholars regarding that period.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1...l/20256480.jpg
I have this one in Epub, it is in English and it is a good read. If you are interested I can share it with you.
Thats because christians were opressed and had to pay jizya among other things.Still the only thing the Ottoman empire and all muslim empires brought is destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior
Upload your file to morely and tell us your YDNA prediction. They are usually pretty accurate give or take some inconsistencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Unfortunatly i can't. It doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dibran
The same argument can Muslims use today in Middle East and elsewhere about Christians, what we can conclude today how in past 1000 years power/wealth has gone in to opposite direction, from once Muslim domination in Eurasia to Christian domination, besides, everyone in medieval times were ruthless, what sound Crusades or Inquisition to you? Opposite of Christians, Moors for eg. established quite a progressive and science based society, whereas Christians at that time make ISIS look like a kid from kindergarten.Quote:
Originally Posted by MalinBot
Today is trendy to scapegoat on Muslims but isn't how you say it.
PS. Sorry for off topic, I won't hijack this thread anymore.
Yea, I just noticed :(. That sucks. you should do Y-DNA with Ftdna next. Likely you will be I2a1b-Din, given its high dominance in Bosnia. R1a, and others are also possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Aren't Gorani basically just a minority slavic tribe that never formed nationhood?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi