is it Northeast African? i noticed almost all Germans and Austrians have a little bit of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
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is it Northeast African? i noticed almost all Germans and Austrians have a little bit of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
Yes, at least on K15 and K13 calculators.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Strange.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6202191
Now I know why we are good at basketball and Albanians suckQuote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
central European and Serbian update. Austrians are the biggest surprise, didn't expect them to plot there
Blue triangles are Slovaks.
https://i.imgur.com/XUAqXZZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/Bi3cTbC.png
it could be something that was specific for neolithic farmers in GermanyQuote:
Originally Posted by Moje ime
This is K15?Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
Yes, it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
The second guy is from Šumadija, not from Bela Palanka.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Do you have K13 of these folks?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Zajecar and Leskovac is my friend irl from Canada. He did 23andme and told him to upload to gedmatch. We are also not related. He is I1 and most likely related to Z63 Pericic from Kosovo in Serbian dna projectQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.21
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 15.55
4 East_Med 15.5
5 West_Asian 9.87
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 South_Asian 0.39
8 Siberian 0.18
https://i.imgur.com/heBnqQK.png
most of these samples have some exotic admixture, mostly gypsy. that northernmost Romanian is probably 1/4 Russian
otherwise Bulgarians, Macedonians and Romanians are like Gheg Albanians pulled towards Belgorod.
Normally, taking into account the last 500 years in the Ottoman Empire and the great migrations of people, especially the 16th-19th centuries northwest of the Balkans and northeast in the direction of Wallachia, Moldova and Russia. These five centuries have displaced many of the population and we must not forget itQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Two Bulgarians who posted their results here
The first one from Western Bulgaria
Spoiler!
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...49#post5949549
The second from SW Bulgaria with distant Greek ancestry
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ering)-Results
1 North_Atlantic 26.9
2 Baltic 22.33
3 East_Med 21.27
4 West_Med 16.06
5 West_Asian 9.16
6 Siberian 2
7 Red_Sea 1.27
8 Amerindian 0.56
9 Oceanian 0.29
10 East_Asian 0.11
11 South_Asian 0.06
What is Gypsy about this person?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://i.postimg.cc/13L9RHSc/heBnqQK.png
He has unusually high Baltic and East Euro (I think even highest among Balkan Slav in general) components for someone who has that much East Med and West Asian and gets pulled laterally towards the East. Would his non-European components remain the same, but at the same time his East Euro components diminished in favor of West Euro components he would be significantly laterally shifted towards the west.
Oh no, another good thread ruined with imaginary "slavs" in great numbers from marshes. Anything that doesn't fit history or PCA is "slav". Time to hide.
thats why i said most, not all. this one is not exotic at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
Kit Z636008
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.98
2 Eastern_Euro 15.34
3 North_Sea 15.06
4 West_Med 12.49
5 Atlantic 12.12
6 East_Med 10.92
7 West_Asian 9.19
8 Oceanian 0.77
9 Amerindian 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.56
2 Croatian 7.59
3 Romanian 9.86
4 Serbian 10.17
5 Bulgarian 10.77
6 Hungarian 11.17
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.35
8 Ukrainian 12.07
9 South_Polish 12.29
10 Austrian 13
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.76
12 Russian_Smolensk 14.39
13 Southwest_Russian 14.51
14 Polish 14.95
15 East_German 16.09
16 Belorussian 16.47
17 Estonian_Polish 16.49
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.97
19 Greek_Thessaly 18.13
20 Greek 18.7
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 42.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.26
2 56% Southwest_Russian + 44% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.52
3 61.9% Ukrainian + 38.1% Greek @ 4.57
4 58.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.7% Greek @ 4.64
5 65.8% Bulgarian + 34.2% Lithuanian @ 4.7
6 57.2% Bulgarian + 42.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.7
7 50.8% Greek + 49.2% Lithuanian @ 4.76
8 51.6% Greek_Thessaly + 48.4% Lithuanian @ 4.76
9 53.4% Bulgarian + 46.6% Ukrainian @ 4.8
10 63.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 36.3% Greek @ 4.8
11 58.7% Bulgarian + 41.3% Southwest_Russian @ 4.81
12 56.9% Southwest_Russian + 43.1% Greek @ 4.84
13 76.9% Ukrainian + 23.1% Cyprian @ 4.9
14 52.6% Estonian_Polish + 47.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.95
15 88% Moldavian + 12% Greek @ 4.99
16 80.2% Moldavian + 19.8% Bulgarian @ 5.03
17 51.7% Bulgarian + 48.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.05
18 94% Moldavian + 6% Cyprian @ 5.05
19 56.4% Russian_Smolensk + 43.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.06
20 65.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.9% Central_Greek @ 5.1
he gets Greek + Slavic, like a lot of eastern Balkanians and some Serbs, he is just more Slavic and less Greek than them
Meaning ? I don't understand this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by bained
What is this person ethnicity ?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Bosniak from Prijedor, very Slavic. Basically crypto Croat.
K15
Population
North_Sea 12.98 Pct
Atlantic 21.15 Pct
Baltic 24.78 Pct
Eastern_Euro 14.86 Pct
West_Med 10.03 Pct
West_Asian 9.92 Pct
East_Med 4.69 Pct
Red_Sea 1.11 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.29 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.20 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
K13
North_Atlantic 25.23 Pct
Baltic 36.39 Pct
West_Med 15.69 Pct
West_Asian 9.84 Pct
East_Med 10.34 Pct
Red_Sea 0.84 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.11 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.58 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Bosniak from Prijepolje
K13
North_Atlantic 21.71 Pct
Baltic 28.75 Pct
West_Med 16.74 Pct
West_Asian 12.78 Pct
East_Med 15.50 Pct
Red_Sea 1.80 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.57 Pct
Siberian 0.54 Pct
Amerindian 0.91 Pct
Oceanian 0.18 Pct
Northeast_African 0.26 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.26 Pct
K15
North_Sea 15.89 Pct
Atlantic 12.55 Pct
Baltic 16.89 Pct
Eastern_Euro 14.16 Pct
West_Med 12.98 Pct
West_Asian 12.10 Pct
East_Med 12.27 Pct
Red_Sea 2.10 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.59 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.45 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
that's what i concluded looking at their results in gedmatch calcualtors, they are not perfect, but it's the best i have.Quote:
Originally Posted by bained
btw i would like to hear your opinion too. it's boring to just post my theories and get no feedback.
Herzegovina Croat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
On K15 all my family gets way higher North Sea than Baltic, including my husband. I didn't notice this is common.
On K13 though our results are standard (higher Baltic than North Atlantic)
I feel K15 isn't as balanced as K13.
Because North Sea is pure Germanic component peaking in Norway, Scyhtians get lot of it too. My family gets practically no Germanic in commercial tests neither I get any on Global 25, so I think K15 isn't as good as K13.
Lot of BiH Croats are kinda eastern shifted, many (but not all) Dalmatians too. In Bosnia-Herzegovina there are little to none genetic differences among ethnic groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Southern Croatia are practically same cluster with BiH, North Croatia is different. No suprise since many of us in Dalmatia have origins from there.
I except similar for Slavonia but there is probably some internal diversity there.
on this PCA so far only Bosnian Croats overlap with the Serb/Bosniak cluster. the Dalmatian coastal Croat, and you and your family are north of that. Herzegovina Croats are east of that, they are more Slavic, but a lot of them also have something exotic in addition to that(at least according to the oracle result)Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
My father is 1/4 Bosniak, mother is 1/8 Serb (and something else I am not sure abut). It is interesting about Herzegovina. Because they are stereotyped as least Slavic looking Croats (as well as darkest).Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Show how stupid and often outdated these stereotypes are.
Idk man, I was silenced and warned on another forum for disagreeing with the whole Slav invasion thing. I can post 2 sources by Florin Curta from Cambridge University, where he explains that name changes of tribes north of Danube was very common and often contradicted the previous source. In 1 sentence, I agree there was some movement of people into the Balkans, but in no time they were ever homogenous or belonged in Slavic super-ethnicity, culture whatever. And I think if you include the ancient samples from Moldova Scythian and the Alans, you can also make a good fit for the PCA. Thing is we dont have any samples between 0 to 600AD, when there were multiple groups settling the Balkans.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
1. https://www.academia.edu/38961942/Et...IC8Gdbg9gKodh0
2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books...08D15C2230E5E4
P.S. Why were the Avar samples immediately labeled "slavic women" and the Magyar chief immediately "Magyarised Slav" ? Sounds fishy as fuck.
it could be these exotic influences. they all get 90% Central Euro(Ukrainian, Hungarian, Croatian) + 10% something exotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
i'm not sure if the last 2 are from Herzegovina, Cumansky posted them. but they get similar results as the first 2.
Z535935 Croatia_B-H1H(Herzegovina)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.33
2 Atlantic 19.93
3 North_Sea 15.98
4 Eastern_Euro 14.09
5 West_Asian 10.36
6 West_Med 9.99
7 East_Med 7.35
8 Amerindian 0.47
9 Red_Sea 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.78
2 Moldavian 6.53
3 Austrian 6.78
4 Serbian 8.27
5 Hungarian 8.46
6 Romanian 9.34
7 South_Polish 10.6
8 Bulgarian 11.27
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.34
10 East_German 11.35
11 Ukrainian 12.08
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.78
13 Polish 12.89
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.42
15 Southwest_Russian 14.1
16 Estonian_Polish 15.49
17 Belorussian 15.5
18 Southwest_Finnish 17.03
19 Kargopol_Russian 17.64
20 South_Dutch 17.83
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.6% Croatian + 6.4% Abhkasian @ 3.39
2 92.5% Croatian + 7.5% North_Ossetian @ 3.41
3 93.2% Croatian + 6.8% Georgian @ 3.41
4 92.2% Croatian + 7.8% Adygei @ 3.43
5 92.2% Croatian + 7.8% Balkar @ 3.48
6 91.9% Croatian + 8.1% Kabardin @ 3.49
7 92.8% Croatian + 7.2% Ossetian @ 3.49
8 92.4% Croatian + 7.6% Chechen @ 3.61
9 92% Croatian + 8% Kumyk @ 3.65
10 92.1% Croatian + 7.9% Turkish @ 3.75
11 92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Lezgin @ 3.78
12 78.6% Croatian + 21.4% Bulgarian @ 3.81
13 93.7% Croatian + 6.3% Armenian @ 3.81
14 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Kurdish @ 3.86
15 93% Croatian + 7% Azeri @ 3.86
16 58.9% Romanian + 41.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.87
17 93.9% Croatian + 6.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.87
18 75.6% Croatian + 24.4% Romanian @ 3.92
19 89.8% Croatian + 10.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.93
20 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Tabassaran @ 3.96
Z728548 croatBHCHZ11_1m(Herz)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.97
2 Baltic 19.16
3 Atlantic 13.01
4 Eastern_Euro 12.61
5 West_Med 10.57
6 West_Asian 6.62
7 East_Med 6.35
8 South_Asian 4.04
9 Red_Sea 0.93
10 Siberian 0.38
11 Amerindian 0.36
12 Oceanian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.24
2 Moldavian 7.75
3 East_German 8.79
4 Croatian 8.97
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.99
6 Serbian 10.2
7 Austrian 10.46
8 Ukrainian 10.84
9 South_Polish 11.24
10 Romanian 12.94
11 West_German 13.72
12 Polish 13.9
13 Southwest_Finnish 13.98
14 Finnish 14.04
15 South_Dutch 15.32
16 North_Swedish 15.37
17 Russian_Smolensk 15.97
18 Bulgarian 15.98
19 North_German 16.01
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.07
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Gujarati @ 4.16
2 93.7% Hungarian + 6.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.18
3 95.7% Hungarian + 4.3% Kol @ 4.19
4 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Dusadh @ 4.22
5 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Velamas @ 4.23
6 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Kurumba @ 4.23
7 96% Hungarian + 4% Piramalai @ 4.24
8 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Kshatriya @ 4.24
9 95.5% Hungarian + 4.5% Dharkar @ 4.25
10 96.1% Hungarian + 3.9% Sakilli @ 4.25
11 95.9% Hungarian + 4.1% North_Kannadi @ 4.25
12 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Brahmin_UP @ 4.26
13 95.7% Hungarian + 4.3% Uttar_Pradesh @ 4.26
14 96.1% Hungarian + 3.9% Chamar @ 4.26
15 95.6% Hungarian + 4.4% Kanjar @ 4.26
16 95.9% Hungarian + 4.1% Chenchu @ 4.26
17 94.5% Hungarian + 5.5% Sindhi @ 4.29
18 95.2% Hungarian + 4.8% Bangladeshi @ 4.3
19 93.9% Hungarian + 6.1% Pathan @ 4.3
20 94% Hungarian + 6% Kalash @ 4.36
Gp3448254 Croatian Gp3448254
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.18
2 Baltic 20.72
3 Atlantic 16.56
4 East_Med 12.07
5 Eastern_Euro 11.7
6 West_Med 9.16
7 West_Asian 4.09
8 South_Asian 0.94
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 Northeast_African 0.2
11 Sub-Saharan 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.86
2 Croatian 8.25
3 Austrian 8.3
4 Serbian 8.45
5 Moldavian 8.65
6 East_German 9.75
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.03
8 Romanian 11.21
9 South_Polish 11.46
10 Ukrainian 11.76
11 Polish 13.75
12 Bulgarian 13.79
13 West_German 14.47
14 Southwest_Finnish 14.51
15 Finnish 15.23
16 South_Dutch 15.33
17 Russian_Smolensk 15.5
18 North_German 16.17
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.21
20 Southwest_Russian 16.24
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.2% Hungarian + 5.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 4
2 95.5% Hungarian + 4.5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.13
3 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.2
4 93.7% Hungarian + 6.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.21
5 94.7% Hungarian + 5.3% Palestinian @ 4.21
6 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Samaritan @ 4.22
7 93.5% Hungarian + 6.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.27
8 94.1% Hungarian + 5.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.29
9 93.4% Hungarian + 6.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.3
10 94.6% Hungarian + 5.4% Cyprian @ 4.3
11 95% Hungarian + 5% Jordanian @ 4.32
12 95.4% Hungarian + 4.6% Egyptian @ 4.37
13 89.9% Hungarian + 10.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.38
14 94% Hungarian + 6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.38
15 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.39
16 93.3% Hungarian + 6.7% South_Italian @ 4.4
17 95.7% Hungarian + 4.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.4
18 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.41
19 91.2% Hungarian + 8.8% Greek @ 4.43
20 92.8% Hungarian + 7.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.43
T063442 Croatian T063442
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.41
2 North_Sea 19.6
3 Eastern_Euro 16.76
4 East_Med 10.82
5 Atlantic 10.79
6 West_Med 9.98
7 West_Asian 4.87
8 Red_Sea 1.4
9 Northeast_African 0.89
10 Siberian 0.28
11 Southeast_Asian 0.2
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.14
2 Croatian 7.54
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.23
4 Ukrainian 8.73
5 Hungarian 9.19
6 South_Polish 9.7
7 Serbian 11.12
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.86
9 Polish 12.11
10 Southwest_Russian 12.17
11 Russian_Smolensk 12.53
12 Romanian 12.71
13 Austrian 12.76
14 Belorussian 13.85
15 Estonian_Polish 14.08
16 East_German 14.48
17 Bulgarian 14.52
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.18
19 Estonian 15.81
20 Erzya 16.31
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.6% Ukrainian + 15.4% Samaritan @ 3.15
2 85% Ukrainian + 15% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.25
3 85% Ukrainian + 15% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.35
4 82.4% Ukrainian + 17.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.38
5 83.2% Ukrainian + 16.8% Cyprian @ 3.47
6 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Palestinian @ 3.59
7 84.3% Ukrainian + 15.7% Jordanian @ 3.72
8 82.9% Ukrainian + 17.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.92
9 81.7% Ukrainian + 18.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.94
10 84% Ukrainian + 16% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.95
11 84.1% Ukrainian + 15.9% Syrian @ 4
12 81.4% Ukrainian + 18.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.03
13 77.1% Ukrainian + 22.9% Ashkenazi @ 4.07
14 87.6% Ukrainian + 12.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.07
15 85.8% Ukrainian + 14.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.12
16 86.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.7% Samaritan @ 4.18
17 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.21
18 86.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.23
19 72.7% Ukrainian + 27.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.23
20 86.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.24
Florin Curta was dismissed as unreliable scholar by many other serious acedemics.Quote:
Originally Posted by bained
Btw, if Avars from Szoad cluster with Belarusians and have 0% mongoloid, what are they but Slavic ? It is well known some Slavic allies of Avars assimilated with them. Or Belarusians are Avars ??!
:picard2::rolleyes:
I don't remember anyone labeling some Magyar chief as Slavic, they certanly were not.
OP, do you think my husband has possible minor Gypsy admixture ? On calculators he is most often modeled 90% Hungarian + 10% North Caucasian or Afghan/Tajik though.
What is so exotic about this person?
Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.33
2 Atlantic 19.93
3 North_Sea 15.98
4 Eastern_Euro 14.09
5 West_Asian 10.36
6 West_Med 9.99
7 East_Med 7.35
8 Amerindian 0.47
9 Red_Sea 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.13
Plot this Croat from Herzegovina too.
M803078
Mine
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.06
2 North_Atlantic 23.13
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 12.54
5 East_Med 10.34
6 Red_Sea 3.4
7 Siberian 0.73
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 Amerindian 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.99
2 Serbian 7.42
3 Romanian 8.66
4 Croatian 8.89
5 Bulgarian 10.15
6 Hungarian 11.18
7 Austrian 13.91
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.44
9 East_German 14.86
10 South_Polish 15.97
11 Ukrainian 16.04
12 Greek_Thessaly 18.16
13 Polish 19.05
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.4
15 Southwest_Russian 19.47
16 West_German 19.88
17 North_Italian 20.89
18 Russian_Smolensk 20.98
19 South_Dutch 21.11
20 French 21.29
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Moldavian + 9.4% Sardinian @ 4.18
2 86% Moldavian + 14% Central_Greek @ 4.51
3 88.1% Moldavian + 11.9% South_Italian @ 4.57
4 86% Moldavian + 14% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.58
5 87% Moldavian + 13% East_Sicilian @ 4.6
6 87.1% Moldavian + 12.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.68
7 82.4% Moldavian + 17.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.68
8 85.5% Moldavian + 14.5% Tuscan @ 4.7
9 84.9% Moldavian + 15.1% North_Italian @ 4.78
10 71.3% Moldavian + 28.7% Bulgarian @ 4.79
11 91.7% Moldavian + 8.3% Cyprian @ 4.83
12 92.6% Moldavian + 7.4% Armenian @ 4.84
13 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Georgian @ 4.86
14 67.2% Moldavian + 32.8% Romanian @ 4.86
15 90.8% Moldavian + 9.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.89
16 90.9% Moldavian + 9.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.9
17 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Abhkasian @ 4.92
18 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% Turkish @ 4.94
19 92.3% Moldavian + 7.7% Moroccan @ 4.98
20 92.4% Moldavian + 7.6% Ossetian @ 4.98
Nothing tbh, maybe west asia is on the higher end but the other components aren't anything special from what I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
K13 is definitely better. K15 just has unessecery components and many people get weird results on it. What matters with K15 is not the components but where you plot on a PCAQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Agreed. North Sea and East Euro are unnecessary and unbalanced components. PCA is good to compare with other people indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
As some poster said, K13 is by far best gedmatch can offer.
Their reference populations need some updates though (some are lacking)
i'll add ancient samples available on Gedmatch later today. do we have an Alan sample?Quote:
Originally Posted by bained
PCA is only 2d. i can't make fits with it.i i make conclusions from admixture results and oracle, the PCA is just there to summarize it and show it visually.
just looking at the PCA, an east pulled Bulgarian could be pulled east by Caucasian, Indian, East Asian ..very different stuff. but then we look at his results and oracle, and he gets 90% Bulgarian +10% Turkish for example. then it's much clearer.
most Balkanites i've seen so far get something Slavic + some region of Greece or Italy in oracles. and the pre-Slavic Balkan samples all get Italy or Greece on the first place in oracle.
Western Sandžak Muslim (Sjenica)
Eurogenes K13
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Western Sandžak Muslim (Sjenica/Novi Pazar)
Eurogenes K13
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Eurogenes K15
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SE Serb/Shop Serb (Jablanica)
Eurogenes K13
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Eurogenes K15
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Results of Moldavian user, Zmey Gorynych.
K13
Population
North_Atlantic 22.18
Baltic 33.94
West_Med 14.38
West_Asian 9.99
East_Med 13.86
Red_Sea 3.05
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.21
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian 0.49
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
K15
Population
North_Sea 14.53
Atlantic 15.33
Baltic 21.60
Eastern_Euro 14.69
West_Med 10.95
West_Asian 9.85
East_Med 8.96
Red_Sea 2.97
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.38
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.50
Oceanian 0.24
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Why did you imply in the past that you were a wog or swarthoid? Your results are not even super Balkanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
What are your West Med, West Asian, East Med and Red Sea scores from K15?