Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Yes, but she, bassed on her surname is not Rusyn, she seem to be from Chernivtsi, Odessa or Nikolaev oblast.

https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A6%D1%83...BA%D0%B0%D0%BD

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Probably Chernivtsi and surrounding regions, because she is married to a guy with an obvious West Ukrainian forename and surname.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Probably Chernivtsi and surrounding regions, because she is married to a guy with an obvious West Ukrainian forename and surname.

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Can be. But surnames of Western Ukrainian origin exist in big number in other places too, including Odessa and Nikolaev.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Can be. But surnames of Western Ukrainian origin exist in big number in other places too, including Odessa and Nikolaev.

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noice avatar. you give me strong Russkie vibes

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

noice avatar. you give me strong Russkie vibes

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That's because of my shaved baby face. :D

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

noice avatar. you give me strong Russkie vibes

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Looks more Romanian/Moldovan than me or anyone else in my family and relatives. I'm not even trying to diss or troll.

Regarding the update that I'll post this evening, for those 2 guys who score like Moldovan/Romanians mixed with Ukrainians, here's their K13.
The Moldavian average from Eurogenes K13 is basically North Moldovan-like (33% Baltic), but Oracles favour Ukrainians and Russians in mixed mode for them.

First person (the one with the strange surname from Edinet):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.99
2 North_Atlantic 20.49
3 West_Med 14.24
4 East_Med 12.58
5 West_Asian 10.49
6 Siberian 2.42
7 Red_Sea 1.15
8 Amerindian 0.33
9 Sub-Saharan 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.93
2 Croatian 7.41
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.14
4 Ukrainian 11.01
5 Serbian 11.71
6 South_Polish 11.99
7 Hungarian 12.38
8 Southwest_Russian 12.62
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.83
10 Romanian 13.67
11 Bulgarian 14.58
12 Polish 14.58
13 Russian_Smolensk 15.23
14 Estonian_Polish 15.67
15 Kargopol_Russian 16.49
16 Belorussian 16.57
17 Erzya 16.75
18 East_German 16.98
19 Austrian 17.02
20 Tatar 18.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.6% Bulgarian + 46.4% Erzya @ 2.92
2 58.3% Erzya + 41.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.66
3 71.1% Southwest_Russian + 28.9% Central_Greek @ 3.85
4 78.2% Southwest_Russian + 21.8% Cyprian @ 3.87
5 55.4% Romanian + 44.6% Erzya @ 3.94
6 53.9% Southwest_Russian + 46.1% Bulgarian @ 4.03
7 64.5% Erzya + 35.5% Central_Greek @ 4.04
8 70.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 29.2% Central_Greek @ 4.06
9 65.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.08
10 74.1% Southwest_Russian + 25.9% South_Italian @ 4.09
11 65.6% Southwest_Russian + 34.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.1
12 80.8% Ukrainian + 19.2% Cyprian @ 4.1
13 53.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.5% Bulgarian @ 4.12
14 72.1% Southwest_Russian + 27.9% East_Sicilian @ 4.16
15 82.3% Ukrainian + 17.7% Assyrian @ 4.17
16 73.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26.2% South_Italian @ 4.21
17 83% Ukrainian + 17% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.23
18 82.2% Ukrainian + 17.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.23
19 53.3% Bulgarian + 46.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.26
20 71.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.26


Second person (old Wallachian surname, in R. Moldova it's most popular in Singerei district):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.17
2 North_Atlantic 22.51
3 West_Med 13.01
4 East_Med 11.58
5 West_Asian 7.82
6 East_Asian 2.28
7 South_Asian 1.85
8 Red_Sea 1.68
9 Siberian 1.66
10 Northeast_African 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.05
2 Croatian 5.53
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.44
4 Ukrainian 9.32
5 South_Polish 10
6 Hungarian 10.3
7 Serbian 10.9
8 Southwest_Russian 11.63
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.95
10 Polish 12.84
11 Romanian 13.73
12 Russian_Smolensk 13.86
13 Estonian_Polish 14.24
14 East_German 14.72
15 Austrian 14.94
16 Belorussian 15.02
17 Bulgarian 15.11
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.58
19 Erzya 16.58
20 Tatar 17.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.6% Ukrainian + 15.4% Samaritan @ 2.32
2 84.9% Ukrainian + 15.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.32
3 83.2% Ukrainian + 16.8% Cyprian @ 2.54
4 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.6
5 83.6% Ukrainian + 16.4% Syrian @ 2.61
6 84.2% Ukrainian + 15.8% Jordanian @ 2.75
7 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.76
8 84.5% Ukrainian + 15.5% Palestinian @ 2.77
9 85.1% Ukrainian + 14.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.92
10 67.6% Southwest_Russian + 32.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.93
11 85% Ukrainian + 15% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.99
12 73.8% Southwest_Russian + 26.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.08
13 78.6% Ukrainian + 21.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.12
14 84.5% Ukrainian + 15.5% Bedouin @ 3.13
15 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Assyrian @ 3.13
16 75.7% Southwest_Russian + 24.3% South_Italian @ 3.14
17 67.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.16
18 77.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 22.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.16
19 73.1% Southwest_Russian + 26.9% Central_Greek @ 3.16
20 56.9% Southwest_Russian + 43.1% Bulgarian @ 3.17

Aspirin passes in Croatia as native.

Update v11 (Raw)

https://i.imgur.com/0iYkD2l.png

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Update v11 (Raw)

https://i.imgur.com/0iYkD2l.png

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The Obrinteschi person is from Timis, so will be removed from this table.

Update v11 (Final)

https://i.imgur.com/FOQ9cGn.png

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Aspirin passes in Croatia as native.

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Nice fellow. I was wrong about him but now changed my mind.

From Suceava (will be in next update)


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.46
2 North_Atlantic 26.9
3 West_Med 17.28
4 East_Med 14.68
5 West_Asian 9.68
6 Siberian 2.21
7 Amerindian 1.16
8 Oceanian 0.35
9 Sub-Saharan 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.52
2 Romanian 5.37
3 Moldavian 7.5
4 Bulgarian 7.88
5 Hungarian 8.67
6 Croatian 9.68
7 Austrian 11.57
8 East_German 13.12
9 Greek_Thessaly 16.07
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.13
11 West_German 16.19
12 South_Polish 16.5
13 Ukrainian 17.25
14 North_Italian 17.37
15 French 17.61
16 South_Dutch 17.71
17 Tuscan 19.17
18 Polish 20.24
19 Portuguese 20.34
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.7% Romanian + 16.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.74
2 63.5% Bulgarian + 36.5% East_German @ 2.78
3 52.7% Bulgarian + 47.3% Hungarian @ 2.88
4 64.4% Romanian + 35.6% Hungarian @ 2.89
5 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% North_Swedish @ 2.92
6 74% Romanian + 26% East_German @ 2.94
7 85.6% Romanian + 14.4% Finnish @ 3.05
8 84% Romanian + 16% North_Swedish @ 3.06
9 71.4% Moldavian + 28.6% North_Italian @ 3.07
10 76.6% Bulgarian + 23.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.07
11 85.9% Romanian + 14.1% Estonian @ 3.07
12 97.6% Serbian + 2.4% West_Greenlander @ 3.13
13 97.9% Serbian + 2.1% East_Greenlander @ 3.14
14 78.8% Romanian + 21.2% South_Polish @ 3.14
15 98% Serbian + 2% Chukchi @ 3.16
16 73.6% Moldavian + 26.4% Tuscan @ 3.18
17 60.7% Bulgarian + 39.3% Austrian @ 3.2
18 98.2% Serbian + 1.8% Koryak @ 3.2
19 97.8% Serbian + 2.2% Selkup @ 3.21
20 98.5% Serbian + 1.5% North_Amerindian @ 3.21

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

From Suceava

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These people from Suceava (Bukovina), based on their results, kinda remove the myth about heavily Slavic admixed people here.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

These people from Suceava (Bukovina), based on their results, kinda remove the myth about heavily Slavic admixed people here.

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Yeah, Botosani pulls closer to East Slavs with the samples that I have so far.

Jo reggelt intensifies

https://i.imgur.com/nAataCV.png

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Jo reggelt intensifies

https://i.imgur.com/nAataCV.png

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Observations:

• My mom's South R. Moldovan ancestry is being interpreted as a mix of Transylvanian and Bulgarian, probably due to our R. Moldova average being too North-shifted at the moment. If I had the Stefan Voda samples, the algorithm might have picked those for the Moldovan side.
• Dad gets modelled as 20% Ukrainian, which we don't know of in the family, but his paternal village has a Russian name afterall, so who knows what happened there historically.
• Daos is modelled as 30% Romanian, when it should be 25%, but that could also be because he inherited more Romanian segments.
• Nurzat joins me as both Hungarian and Tatar. I guess Hungarian simply appears in both us, due to Romanian and Ukrainian genes mixing and creating an average that looks intermediary between Romanians and Ukrainians.
• ZmeyGorynych is Northern-shifted for his region, but we already knew that.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Jo reggelt intensifies

https://i.imgur.com/nAataCV.png

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Daos is almost exactly that in reality. He said his grandfather was Romanian.

These are K13 results of all nine samples who formed the Eurogenes K15 average.

Spoiler!

Three ones who are close to Eurogenes K15 average:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.8
2 North_Atlantic 23.34
3 West_Med 14.87
4 East_Med 13.08
5 West_Asian 9.75
6 Red_Sea 2
7 Siberian 1.5
8 Amerindian 1.15
9 South_Asian 1.14
10 East_Asian 0.69
11 Sub-Saharan 0.57
12 Oceanian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.09
2 Serbian 5.96
3 Croatian 6.36
4 Romanian 8.25
5 Hungarian 8.8
6 Bulgarian 9.95
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.2
8 Austrian 13.19
9 South_Polish 13.43
10 Ukrainian 13.53
11 East_German 13.92
12 Southwest_Russian 16.44
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.66
14 Polish 16.77
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.49
16 Greek_Thessaly 18.66
17 Estonian_Polish 19.01
18 Tatar 19.26
19 West_German 19.72
20 Belorussian 19.73

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.38
2 North_Atlantic 25.76
3 West_Med 14.65
4 East_Med 11.03
5 West_Asian 8.61
6 Red_Sea 1.75
7 Oceanian 1.62
8 East_Asian 1.16
9 Siberian 0.95
10 Sub-Saharan 0.69
11 South_Asian 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 2.46
2 Croatian 3.85
3 Hungarian 6.87
4 Serbian 7.14
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.68
6 South_Polish 10.63
7 Romanian 10.71
8 Austrian 11.04
9 Ukrainian 11.07
10 East_German 11.4
11 Bulgarian 12.69
12 Polish 14.1
13 Southwest_Russian 14.49
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.73
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.13
16 Estonian_Polish 16.71
17 Belorussian 17.31
18 West_German 18.24
19 Kargopol_Russian 18.45
20 Southwest_Finnish 19.4

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.37
2 North_Atlantic 23.19
3 West_Med 14.95
4 East_Med 13.16
5 West_Asian 9.85
6 Siberian 1.91
7 Red_Sea 1.89
8 South_Asian 1.2
9 Amerindian 1.16
10 Sub-Saharan 0.84
11 East_Asian 0.37
12 Oceanian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.45
2 Serbian 5.88
3 Croatian 6.81
4 Romanian 7.97
5 Hungarian 9.01
6 Bulgarian 9.67
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.61
8 Austrian 13.35
9 South_Polish 13.84
10 Ukrainian 13.95
11 East_German 14.14
12 Southwest_Russian 16.82
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.07
14 Polish 17.19
15 Greek_Thessaly 18.34
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.92
17 Tatar 19.06
18 Estonian_Polish 19.41
19 West_German 19.72
20 Belorussian 20.14

Two south-shifted ones with very similar results:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.07
2 North_Atlantic 19.26
3 East_Med 19.17
4 West_Med 16.76
5 West_Asian 10.77
6 East_Asian 1.55
7 Oceanian 0.87
8 Amerindian 0.73
9 Red_Sea 0.73
10 Siberian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.22
2 Romanian 7.09
3 Serbian 8.29
4 Moldavian 9.65
5 Croatian 12.58
6 Greek_Thessaly 14.22
7 Hungarian 14.7
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.23
9 Austrian 18.64
10 Ukrainian 19.19
11 South_Polish 19.39
12 East_German 19.82
13 Central_Greek 20.88
14 Tuscan 21.02
15 North_Italian 21.4
16 Italian_Abruzzo 21.4
17 Southwest_Russian 21.53
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.7
19 East_Sicilian 22.21
20 Polish 22.62

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.48
2 North_Atlantic 19.73
3 East_Med 18.86
4 West_Med 16.5
5 West_Asian 10.45
6 East_Asian 1.51
7 Oceanian 0.95
8 Red_Sea 0.85
9 Amerindian 0.67

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.52
2 Romanian 7.11
3 Serbian 7.91
4 Moldavian 9.1
5 Croatian 11.95
6 Hungarian 14.11
7 Greek_Thessaly 14.69
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.6
9 Austrian 18.11
10 Ukrainian 18.56
11 South_Polish 18.73
12 East_German 19.25
13 Southwest_Russian 20.92
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.11
15 Tuscan 21.29
16 Central_Greek 21.41
17 North_Italian 21.52
18 Italian_Abruzzo 21.83
19 Polish 21.97
20 East_Sicilian 22.72

One north-shifted:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.05
2 North_Atlantic 24.44
3 West_Med 15.39
4 West_Asian 10.94
5 East_Med 7.53
6 South_Asian 2.03
7 Siberian 1.21
8 Amerindian 1.19
9 Red_Sea 0.73
10 Oceanian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.75
2 Croatian 4.28
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.68
4 Ukrainian 9.15
5 Hungarian 9.22
6 South_Polish 9.53
7 Serbian 11.06
8 Polish 12.35
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.46
10 Southwest_Russian 12.53
11 East_German 12.57
12 Austrian 12.98
13 Romanian 13.86
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.11
15 Estonian_Polish 14.91
16 Bulgarian 15.66
17 Kargopol_Russian 15.84
18 Belorussian 15.88
19 Erzya 17.39
20 Tatar 18.39

Outliers:

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.34
2 North_Atlantic 31.58
3 West_Med 6.36
4 West_Asian 6.06
5 East_Med 4.52
6 Siberian 2.48
7 South_Asian 1.13
8 Amerindian 0.87
9 Northeast_African 0.85
10 Oceanian 0.81

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 4.73
2 Belorussian 5.13
3 Russian_Smolensk 5.3
4 Estonian_Polish 5.75
5 Southwest_Russian 5.8
6 South_Polish 5.87
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 6.38
8 Ukrainian 6.62
9 Estonian 6.8
10 Finnish 7.27
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.41
12 Southwest_Finnish 8.19
13 Kargopol_Russian 8.37
14 Lithuanian 8.82
15 East_Finnish 9.31
16 Erzya 11.56
17 Croatian 12.79
18 North_Swedish 14.38
19 Hungarian 14.46
20 East_German 15.05

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 46.16
2 North_Atlantic 22.5
3 West_Med 11.38
4 West_Asian 8.35
5 East_Med 7.16
6 Siberian 1.84
7 Sub-Saharan 1.34
8 Oceanian 0.71
9 Amerindian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 4.81
2 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.05
3 Ukrainian 6.03
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.53
5 Russian_Smolensk 7.38
6 Estonian_Polish 7.71
7 Polish 8.37
8 South_Polish 8.42
9 Belorussian 8.89
10 Kargopol_Russian 9.12
11 Erzya 9.36
12 Croatian 10.74
13 Lithuanian 11.62
14 Moldavian 12.34
15 Estonian 13.36
16 East_Finnish 14.8
17 Finnish 15.11
18 Hungarian 15.88
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.82
20 East_German 18.41

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.93
2 North_Atlantic 22.31
3 West_Med 9.28
4 South_Asian 9.1 :laugh:
5 West_Asian 7.66
6 East_Med 7.37
7 Amerindian 1.17
8 Sub-Saharan 1.13
9 Red_Sea 1.02
10 Siberian 0.98
11 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.14
2 Ukrainian 9.84
3 Southwest_Russian 10.42
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.45
5 Croatian 10.48
6 South_Polish 10.74
7 Moldavian 11.06 :laugh:
8 Polish 11.94
9 Russian_Smolensk 12.04
10 Estonian_Polish 12.49
11 Kargopol_Russian 12.77
12 Belorussian 13.42
13 Erzya 14
14 Hungarian 14.24
15 Lithuanian 16.55
16 East_German 17.05
17 Estonian 17.16
18 Serbian 17.18
19 East_Finnish 17.82
20 Finnish 17.9

How they plot on K15 map.

https://sun9-8.userapi.com/c855416/v...PdjPuUApT8.jpg

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

These are K13 results of all nine samples who formed the Eurogenes K15 average.

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Do you have the kit numbers by any chance?

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Do you have the kit numbers by any chance?

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CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937

I bet the exact same data was used for all E-genes runs. And if they are the basis for the Moldovan reference, obviously the results will be severely skewed.

All Romanians have DNA like Bosniensis.

Entire Romania has similar DNA to me...

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

All Romanians have DNA like Bosniensis.

Entire Romania has similar DNA to me...

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But you don’t look Romanian and are not related to Romanians . It’s not gedmatch components that count but IBD sharing among people

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Originally Posted by Dick

But you don’t look Romanian and are not related to Romanians . It’s not gedmatch components that count but IBD sharing among people

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Why do you think he can't pass?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Why do you think he can't pass?

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I can tell he is South Slav from a plane. Romanians just look different from us. You have to remember we descend from a close knit tribe from early Middle Ages with same ydna bottlenecks. This bottleneck effect can be seen in Bosnia specifically

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Originally Posted by Dick

But you don’t look Romanian and are not related to Romanians . It’s not gedmatch components that count but IBD sharing among people

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he already is honorary Romanian for all the struggle xD IBD matters most, of course. but most people in the region would pass in the neighbouring countriesm since the gradient of looks is not abruptly ending/diminishing at the border, it crosses the borders. of course, such long faces are really uncommon in Romanians. Romanians are short-faced (small eyes-to-mouth distance and high % of the face width from this distance).

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Originally Posted by Dick

I can tell he is South Slav from a plane. Romanians just look different from us. You have to remember we descend from a close knit tribe from early Middle Ages with same ydna bottlenecks. This bottleneck effect can be seen in Bosnia specifically

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A few people here said Bosniaks look distinctly Muslim even though they're autosomally almsot the same as their Christian neighbors.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

he already is honorary Romanian for all the struggle xD IBD matters most, of course. but most people in the region would pass in the neighbouring countriesm since the gradient of looks is not abruptly ending/diminishing at the border, it crosses the borders. of course, such long faces are really uncommon in Romanians. Romanians are short-faced (small eyes-to-mouth distance and high % of the face width from this distance).

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How different are Romanians from Italians? Do they frequently pass as Italianos in Italy? I know mamaliga is basically the same as polenta xD
Румыны - мамалыжники.

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Originally Posted by Leto

How different are Romanians from Italians? Do they frequently pass as Italianos in Italy? I know mamaliga is basically the same as polenta xD
Румыны - мамалыжники.

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no, they almost never pass as Italians. but it's also the clothing style maybe that makes Romanians so obviously non-Western. you rarely get the chance to guess a Romanian by the face because you usually instantly already guess him by the clothes/style xD

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Originally Posted by Leto

How different are Romanians from Italians? Do they frequently pass as Italianos in Italy? I know mamaliga is basically the same as polenta xD
Румыны - мамалыжники.

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Lot of Romanians I saw in Transylvania looked Italian or Greek to me. They were visibly more Mddish/southern Euro looking than people in Croatia taken as a whole.
Similar stature too (quite short and thin). But, there was minority of types that would look very off in Italy, those with Russian/Baltid or Tatar like look.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937

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Thanks, I'll see if I can find more about them.


These are also on G25, but classified as outliers.

CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055

Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V02612,0.124067,0.123895,0.043 746,0.03553,0.040315,0.006693,0.013161,0.009692,-0.007976,-0.005285,-0.00406,-0.006594,0.012785,0.012248,-0.011536,-0.002519,0.005867,-0.002914,0.010559,0.005503,-0.003743,-0.00136,0.003944,0.006989,0
Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V13693,0.121791,0.122879,0.067 505,0.055233,0.033237,0.014781,0.00799,0.01223,-0.00859,-0.022415,-0.002436,-0.003447,0.017096,0.009221,-0.023208,0.011138,0.020601,-0.003801,0.002891,0.002751,-0.007237,-0.005564,0.01442,0.002289,0.000359
Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V28645,0.1161,0.108662,0.03808 9,0.0646,0.019388,0.025379,0.0047,0.008769,0.00552 2,-0.012574,-0.005196,-0.008992,0.010852,0.023809,-0.0095,-0.005967,-0.006258,0.000253,0.00176,-5e-04,0.002995,-0.004946,0.004437,-0.002289,-0.001916
Moldovan_o:Moldovan_V44175,0.130897,0.116786,0.071 653,0.068799,0.035391,0.022032,0.00752,0.010384,-0.0045,-0.028247,-0.000162,-0.008093,0.020367,0.020368,-0.012758,0.00358,0.002217,0.003167,0.003268,-0.006628,-0.003868,-0.001607,0.005546,0.002651,0.000958
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Originally Posted by Nurzat

no, they almost never pass as Italians. but it's also the clothing style maybe that makes Romanians so obviously non-Western. you rarely get the chance to guess a Romanian by the face because you usually instantly already guess him by the clothes/style xD

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That sucks. I feel bad for Italia, was hoping that it wouldn't be changed profoundly by Rumano mass immigration. I thought they should be blending in with natives racially thus assimilating quickly. Romanian speakers can learn Italian or Spanish in 1-2 years easily.

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Originally Posted by Leto

That sucks. I feel bad for Italia, was hoping that it wouldn't be changed profoundly by Rumano mass immigration. I thought they should be blending in with natives racially thus assimilating quickly. Romanian speakers can learn Italian or Spanish in 1-2 years easily.

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but many Romanians assimilate greatly now. I have as reference the times I went to Italy for summer, over 10 years ago. then Romanians were only cheap workforce, now they've infiltrated also some office or institution jobs (nurses, even some doctors, corporate workers etc). but these are usually the kids of the initial immigrants. usually they came to Italy during late childhood so they are still fully Romanian as well (native speakers and can totally understand culture)

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Lot of Romanians I saw in Transylvania looked Italian or Greek to me. They were visibly more Mddish/southern Euro looking than people in Croatia taken as a whole.
Similar stature too (quite short and thin). But, there was minority of types that would look very off in Italy, those with Russian/Baltid or Tatar like look.

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Well, they're not supposed to look like us considering their genetics. They're like half Russian half Ashkenazi on Gedmatch.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

but many Romanians assimilate greatly now. I have as reference the times I went to Italy for summer, over 10 years ago. then Romanians were only cheap workforce, now they've infiltrated also some office or institution jobs (nurses, even some doctors, corporate workers etc). but these are usually the kids of the initial immigrants. usually they came to Italy during late childhood so they are still fully Romanian as well (native speakers and can totally understand culture)

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Well, if Tziganes are overrepresented among them, I can fully understand why they don't pass as Italians.

Average K13 for Moldavians from Republic based on these 15 samples.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28,82
2 North_Atlantic 23.90
3 West_Med 16,52
4 East_Med 14.90
5 West_Asian 10.09
6 Red_Sea 1,80
7 Siberian 1.47
8 Amerindian 0.68
9 South_Asian 0.53
10 East_Asian 0.57
11 Sub-Saharan 0.10
12 NE_African 0,14
13 Oceanian 0.41

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, if Tziganes are overrepresented among them, I can fully understand why they don't pass as Italians.

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I'm not counting the Gypsies. they follow a totally different path in the West. also they're very mobile and will be where they can get money faster easier, now a lot of them are in UK or Germany. Italy doesn't get a relevant share of Gypsies from Romania, they used to and anyway those were living in nomad camps, totally different path in Italy than usual Romanians, no matter how low class some of these Romanians were

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Originally Posted by Dick

I can tell he is South Slav from a plane. Romanians just look different from us. You have to remember we descend from a close knit tribe from early Middle Ages with same ydna bottlenecks. This bottleneck effect can be seen in Bosnia specifically

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Originally Posted by Leto

A few people here said Bosniaks look distinctly Muslim even though they're autosomally almsot the same as their Christian neighbors.

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This guy for ex
https://i.redd.it/m1f50ugpf3p41.jpg

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1

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I found a new kit through this one. Close distance and he is most likely from R. Moldova. However, I can't trace the guy exactly, but according to the forename+surname and Facebook, all 4 potential candidates are from R. Moldova.
One was born in Floresti and the rest in Chisinau (2 of them live abroad).
I emailed the guy just in case. Hopefully he'll answer.

North_Atlantic 22.13 Pct
Baltic 23.89 Pct
West_Med 18.68 Pct
West_Asian 16.35 Pct
East_Med 12.57 Pct
Red_Sea 1.83 Pct
South_Asian 1.01 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.83 Pct
Amerindian 0.58 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612

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This guy is weird, because he has a 85cM relative, meaning a 3rd cousin, with perfect Engllish/Irish results.
That's a lot, because for example, the closest match that I have is a guy from Cahul on MyHeritage (surname Puls), and even then the shared segments are only 44cM. For my mom it's 63cM with the same person. My dad matches another person as his number one, a certain Cogilnicean from R. Moldova (with other surnames Cociug, Golban Gorgos) at 83cM. Unfortunately he doesn't have a family tree, so I don't know the district.

But the point that I'm trying to make is that 85cM is a lot, so the ancestors of this guy were recently mixed with some kind of Anglo.

https://i.imgur.com/xobbUBr.png

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.83
2 Baltic 22.25
3 West_Med 13.87
4 East_Med 6.37
5 Red_Sea 2.68
6 West_Asian 2.56
7 Amerindian 1.22
8 Sub-Saharan 0.74
9 Oceanian 0.38
10 Northeast_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.62
2 Southwest_English 4.9
3 Orcadian 5.42
4 South_Dutch 6.16
5 West_Scottish 6.22
6 North_Dutch 6.39
7 Irish 6.45
8 Danish 6.87
9 West_German 7.5
10 North_German 7.79
11 Norwegian 8.62
12 French 10.06
13 Swedish 10.47
14 Austrian 13.72
15 East_German 14.51
16 North_Swedish 15.68
17 Spanish_Cataluna 16.94
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.82
19 Spanish_Galicia 18.22
20 Hungarian 18.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.7% Southeast_English + 3.3% Saudi @ 2.85
2 95.6% Southeast_English + 4.4% Algerian @ 2.86
3 96.8% Southeast_English + 3.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.88
4 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Moroccan @ 2.89
5 95.7% Southeast_English + 4.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.89
6 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Tunisian @ 2.9
7 96.6% Southeast_English + 3.4% Egyptian @ 3.01
8 96.9% Southeast_English + 3.1% Bedouin @ 3.11
9 91.2% Southeast_English + 8.8% Portuguese @ 3.17
10 91.1% Southeast_English + 8.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.17
11 90.9% Southeast_English + 9.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.17
12 97.7% Southeast_English + 2.3% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.19
13 92.1% Southeast_English + 7.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.19
14 97.8% Southeast_English + 2.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.19
15 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.2
16 91.9% Southeast_English + 8.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.2
17 96.7% Southeast_English + 3.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.21
18 97.2% Southeast_English + 2.8% Palestinian @ 3.21
19 85.1% Southeast_English + 14.9% French @ 3.21
20 96.7% Southeast_English + 3.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.22