South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Yeah. More northern than Hrvoje for example. Prigorje is region around Zagreb, so natives of capital (so-called Purgeri) should look like that.
But we need more samples. I'd say both of them are typical.

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How much North European do both of them score on Dod K12b? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Leto

How much North European do both of them score on Dod K12b? Just curious.

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I don't have this guy kit number, only his K36 besides K13. Hrvoje is collecting other's people results on Croatian forum where I'm banned.
He scores 44% iirc (like me)

We're very similar genetically on gedmatch, he's closer to me than my parents.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

New sample of eastern Croat from Slavonia.

Code:

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Croat_Slavonia,25.1,36.93,12.85,10.36,11.5,0.28,0,0,1.9,1.09,0,0,0

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Distance to: Croat_Slavonia

2.90117218 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
4.83859484 Moldova_North
5.03498759 Croat_Slavonia
5.63079035 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
6.15171521 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
6.29011129 Croat
6.29176446 Bosniak_Sarajevo
6.40932134 Croat_Croatia
6.51955520 Croat_B&H
6.52363396 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
6.61304771 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
6.88099557 Croat_Istria_&_Kvarner
6.94893517 Hungarian_Alfold
7.26223106 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.43372047 Croat_B&H_Bosnia
7.54810572 Croat_Croatia_Central
7.56142182 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
7.68698250 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.75371524 Bosniak
8.10628768 Hungarian
8.11573237 Slovak
8.12732428 Hungarian_Northern
8.14310137 Moldova_Centre
8.31692251 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
8.31800457 Serb_B&H

Target: Croat_Slavonia
Distance: 1.7776% / 1.77757511 | ADC: 0.25x

88.2 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.8 Erzya
2.6 Southwest_Russian
1.4 Lezgin
1.0 Chuvash

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His haplogroup is I2 din.

Bosniak

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.04
2 North_Atlantic 25.64
3 West_Med 15.3
4 East_Med 13.44
5 West_Asian 5.2
6 South_Asian 0.77
7 Siberian 0.46
8 East_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.43
2 Moldavian 7.19
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.62
4 Ukrainian 8.68
5 South_Polish 8.98
6 Hungarian 9.76
7 Serbian 11.49
8 Southwest_Russian 11.71
9 Polish 11.87
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.47
11 East_German 13.35
12 Russian_Smolensk 13.45
13 Estonian_Polish 13.48
14 Austrian 13.86
15 Belorussian 14.13
16 Romanian 14.74
17 Bulgarian 16.22
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.42
19 Erzya 18
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.2% Ukrainian + 18.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.97
2 65.4% Estonian_Polish + 34.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.99
3 84% Ukrainian + 16% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.01
4 84.1% Ukrainian + 15.9% Italian_Jewish @ 4.01
5 55% Estonian_Polish + 45% Bulgarian @ 4.01
6 57.5% Lithuanian + 42.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.12
7 64.3% Belorussian + 35.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.17
8 53.7% Belorussian + 46.3% Bulgarian @ 4.18
9 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.21
10 71.5% Estonian_Polish + 28.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.23
11 53.5% Bulgarian + 46.5% Lithuanian @ 4.25
12 81.3% Southwest_Russian + 18.7% Sardinian @ 4.28
13 73.8% Estonian_Polish + 26.2% South_Italian @ 4.32
14 64.1% Lithuanian + 35.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.32
15 67.5% Ukrainian + 32.5% Bulgarian @ 4.35
16 82.8% Ukrainian + 17.2% South_Italian @ 4.44
17 85.5% Ukrainian + 14.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.44
18 84.6% Ukrainian + 15.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.44
19 81.2% Ukrainian + 18.8% West_Sicilian @ 4.46
20 52.5% Estonian_Polish + 47.5% Romanian @ 4.46


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.78
2 Eastern_Euro 18
3 Atlantic 17.88
4 North_Sea 16.24
5 West_Med 10.03
6 East_Med 8.82
7 West_Asian 4.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.88
2 Moldavian 7.37
3 South_Polish 7.88
4 Ukrainian 8.61
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.69
6 Russian_Smolensk 9.32
7 Hungarian 9.45
8 Polish 9.49
9 Austrian 9.5
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.14
11 Southwest_Russian 10.33
12 Estonian_Polish 11.21
13 Serbian 11.21
14 Belorussian 11.36
15 East_German 12.95
16 Romanian 13.22
17 Kargopol_Russian 13.97
18 Bulgarian 14.74
19 Lithuanian 14.99
20 Estonian 15.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% Estonian_Polish + 32.5% Greek @ 2.74
2 72.7% Estonian_Polish + 27.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.17
3 67.4% Belorussian + 32.6% Greek @ 3.21
4 57.3% Estonian_Polish + 42.7% Bulgarian @ 3.27
5 75% Estonian_Polish + 25% South_Italian @ 3.35
6 70.3% Estonian_Polish + 29.7% Tuscan @ 3.35
7 71.7% Polish + 28.3% Greek @ 3.39
8 67.9% Estonian_Polish + 32.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.5
9 72.3% Russian_Smolensk + 27.7% Greek @ 3.52
10 72.9% Estonian_Polish + 27.1% Central_Greek @ 3.53
11 72.3% Estonian_Polish + 27.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.6
12 72.7% Belorussian + 27.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.61
13 70.2% Belorussian + 29.8% Tuscan @ 3.69
14 57% Belorussian + 43% Bulgarian @ 3.71
15 77% Russian_Smolensk + 23% West_Sicilian @ 3.74
16 77.4% Estonian_Polish + 22.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.75
17 73.6% Estonian_Polish + 26.4% East_Sicilian @ 3.76
18 71% Southwest_Russian + 29% North_Italian @ 3.77
19 77.1% Estonian_Polish + 22.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.79
20 82% Southwest_Russian + 18% Sardinian @ 3.81


Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions

Population
Gedrosia 1.60 Pct
Siberian 0.63 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.08 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.09 Pct
North_European 48.85 Pct
South_Asian 0.55 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.16 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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Originally Posted by Leto

Bosniak...

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Similar to Šokac woman I tested. I wonder what would Commonsense say now, because he said it's hard to believe Šokci descend from Bosnia based on her results. And this Bosniak is similary highly Slavic.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Similar to Šokac woman I tested. I wonder what would Commonsense say now, because he said it's hard to believe Šokci descend from Bosnia based on her results. And this Bosniak is similary highly Slavic.

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Yeah, that's a real Bosniak. I can provide the email address. The account has almost a dozen of kits, all having Yugoslav Muslim names. I haven't checked the rest, only this one.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Yeah, that's a real Bosniak. I can provide the email address. The account has almost a dozen of kits, all having Yugoslav Muslim names. I haven't checked the rest, only this one.

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Well yes, such results are not hard to find actually, they are just not the norm.

Where is Bosniak from I wonder? He is closer to Croats than Serbs.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Well yes, such results are not hard to find actually, they are just not the norm.

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It is getting even more interesting. His close relative (mother or sister)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 41.13
2 North_Atlantic 22.8
3 West_Med 13.86
4 East_Med 13.03
5 West_Asian 7.41
6 South_Asian 0.77
7 Siberian 0.7
8 Oceanian 0.2
9 Amerindian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 6.88
2 Moldavian 7.81
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.21
4 Ukrainian 8.29
5 South_Polish 9.4
6 Southwest_Russian 9.95
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.48
8 Polish 11.7
9 Hungarian 12.14
10 Russian_Smolensk 12.33
11 Estonian_Polish 12.5
12 Belorussian 13.31
13 Serbian 13.43
14 Kargopol_Russian 14.85
15 Erzya 15.59
16 East_German 16.02
17 Romanian 16.16
18 Austrian 16.59
19 Bulgarian 17.29
20 Lithuanian 17.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Southwest_Russian + 26.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.91
2 64.8% Southwest_Russian + 35.2% Bulgarian @ 3.95
3 50% Lithuanian + 50% Bulgarian @ 3.99
4 60.3% Lithuanian + 39.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.04
5 79.7% Estonian_Polish + 20.3% Cyprian @ 4.07
6 82.1% Southwest_Russian + 17.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.11
7 58.7% Estonian_Polish + 41.3% Bulgarian @ 4.12
8 66% Lithuanian + 34% Central_Greek @ 4.15
9 78.3% Southwest_Russian + 21.7% Central_Greek @ 4.17
10 80.4% Southwest_Russian + 19.6% South_Italian @ 4.2
11 73.4% Lithuanian + 26.6% Cyprian @ 4.25
12 79% Southwest_Russian + 21% East_Sicilian @ 4.28
13 79.2% Southwest_Russian + 20.8% Ashkenazi @ 4.28
14 88.1% Ukrainian + 11.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.29
15 68.8% Lithuanian + 31.2% South_Italian @ 4.3
16 68.5% Estonian_Polish + 31.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.3
17 82.3% Southwest_Russian + 17.7% Italian_Jewish @ 4.3
18 73.5% Estonian_Polish + 26.5% Central_Greek @ 4.31
19 86.8% Ukrainian + 13.2% Cyprian @ 4.33
20 88% Ukrainian + 12% Samaritan @ 4.39


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.82
2 Eastern_Euro 20.19
3 Atlantic 16.71
4 North_Sea 14.71
5 West_Med 9.21
6 East_Med 9.01
7 West_Asian 5.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 6.45
2 Moldavian 7.95
3 South_Polish 8.74
4 Russian_Smolensk 9.22
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.25
6 Ukrainian 9.28
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.51
8 Southwest_Russian 9.61
9 Polish 10.14
10 Estonian_Polish 11
11 Hungarian 11.28
12 Austrian 11.3
13 Belorussian 11.32
14 Serbian 12.24
15 Kargopol_Russian 12.99
16 Romanian 13.95
17 Erzya 14.53
18 East_German 14.85
19 Lithuanian 14.92
20 Bulgarian 15.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.4% Estonian_Polish + 31.6% Greek @ 3.04
2 71.9% Southwest_Russian + 28.1% Greek @ 3.55
3 73.7% Estonian_Polish + 26.3% Central_Greek @ 3.79
4 75.8% Estonian_Polish + 24.2% South_Italian @ 3.79
5 58.9% Estonian_Polish + 41.1% Bulgarian @ 3.81
6 68.1% Belorussian + 31.9% Greek @ 3.81
7 73.1% Russian_Smolensk + 26.9% Greek @ 3.89
8 80.1% Estonian_Polish + 19.9% Cyprian @ 3.9
9 78.1% Estonian_Polish + 21.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.94
10 77% Southwest_Russian + 23% West_Sicilian @ 4.01
11 73.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26.8% Greek @ 4.01
12 74.1% Estonian_Polish + 25.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.06
13 77.8% Estonian_Polish + 22.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.09
14 74.5% Estonian_Polish + 25.5% East_Sicilian @ 4.15
15 62.9% Southwest_Russian + 37.1% Bulgarian @ 4.19
16 69.4% Estonian_Polish + 30.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.2
17 78% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 22% West_Sicilian @ 4.2
18 78.1% Estonian_Polish + 21.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.22
19 80.9% Southwest_Russian + 19.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.23
20 73.5% Estonian_Polish + 26.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.23


Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions

Population
Gedrosia 2.49 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.20 Pct
North_European 51.12 Pct
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.12 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.19 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Nice find, Leto!

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Nice find, Leto!

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I'm a bit surprised that no one including you is freaking out and questioning the validity of those results :swl

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Originally Posted by Leto

I'm a bit surprised that no one including you is freaking out and questioning the validity of those results :swl

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It just support results of Šokac I have, so very good. More samples we have more we see such people aren't super rare and aren't mixed but simply each ethnicity has huge range.
Second sample you posted isn't that northern btw, it's north atlantic is very low.

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Originally Posted by Leto

It is getting even more interesting. His close relative (mother or sister)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 41.13
2 North_Atlantic 22.8
3 West_Med 13.86
4 East_Med 13.03
5 West_Asian 7.41
6 South_Asian 0.77
7 Siberian 0.7
8 Oceanian 0.2
9 Amerindian 0.09

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::lol00001:

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Academic sample of Zagreb Croat who is outlier and has fully Albanian genetic profile. His top matches are all Albanians too, he barely matches any Croats, at first look I don't notice any.
Won't be included in my statistics, ofcourse. But it's still possible it's actual Croat from Kosovo (Janjevac). Sadly it can't be checked.

North_Atlantic 17.83 Pct
Baltic 21.80 Pct
West_Med 22.01 Pct
West_Asian 12.02 Pct
East_Med 24.24 Pct
Red_Sea 1.62 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

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Now when I ran him, I am more and more convinced this guy is Janjevac. Because he is not identical with Albanians like we tought. What do you guys think?

Distance to: Janjevac?

2.78546226 Macedonian_Southwest
3.89039844 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
3.98810732 Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.50296569 Greek_Central_Macedonia
4.72571688 Macedonian_Greece
5.03683432 Macedonian_Central
5.03811473 Macedonian_North
5.14168260 Albanian_central_Albania
5.14788306 Macedonian
5.27802046 Albanian_Montenegro
5.32546712 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
5.32957784 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
5.32957784 Vlach_avg
5.34086135 Albanian_Macedonia
5.45000000 Albanian
5.61290477 Albanian_Albania
5.91549660 Torbesh_average
5.96069627 Turk_Thessaloniki
6.03651389 Albanian_north_Albania
6.11070372 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
6.13446819 Greek_West
6.18210320 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
6.20215285 Bulgaria_Southeastern
6.27350181 Greek_Thessaly
6.38744863 Greek

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Originally Posted by Leto

I'm a bit surprised that no one including you is freaking out and questioning the validity of those results :swl

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I personally gave up. If people want to fake their country's and/or personal results because of insecurities, then they can be my guests. Commercial tests are still there for that benchmark that none of us hasn't got any access to modify. Want to have a Serbian average in Ukrainian range? Sign me up.

From Zagreb (3rd generation there), Croat by identity. His regional origins are BiH Croat from Tomislavgrad (mother), and Kosovo Albanian (father)
His haplogroup is eastern/Yamnaya R1b.

https://yfull.com/tree/R-PF7562/

Code:

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Zagreb(CRO/ALB),23.99,25.02,21.2,11.98,13.38,2.85,0,0,0,0.92,0.65,0,0

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Distance to: Zagreb(CRO/ALB)

5.56510557 Montenegrin
5.62572662 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.85353739 Romania_Transylvania
5.89121380 Romania_Crisana
5.90359213 Romania_Oltenia
5.95758340 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.15383620 Romania_average
6.33420082 Romania_Banat
6.40631719 Macedonian_Northwest
6.41801371 Moldova_South
6.43843149 Romania_Wallachia
6.61029500 Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.98597166 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
7.10303456 Serb_Serbia
7.12183965 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
7.12875866 Romania_Muntenia
7.16525645 Serb
7.18732217 Serb
7.21533783 Serb_Serbia_South&East
7.37793331 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
7.43233476 Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.49111474 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
7.49619904 Serb_B&H_Krajina
7.50522485 Bulgaria_average
7.52857224 Romania_Dobruja

Target: Zagreb(CRO/ALB)
Distance: 2.6027% / 2.60273193 | ADC: 0.25x

44.6 Bosniak_Krajina
17.6 Macedonian_Central
14.4 Turk_Sliven-Alevi
7.0 Pomak_Kavala
6.8 Vlach_North-Macedonia
5.2 Sardinia
4.4 French_Basque

His phenotype is very interesting, as he looks Irish/Brunn :)

So he is half Albanian by ancestry but culturally and linguistically assimilated as Croatian? I guess the Albanian part was Roman Catholic.

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Originally Posted by Leto

So he is half Albanian by ancestry but culturally and linguistically assimilated as Croatian? I guess the Albanian part was Roman Catholic.

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Yes, he's totally Croat from Zagreb and doesn't even speak Albanian. Really friendly, from him I got another K13 Croat result which I am about to post. :)

Croat, 3/4 native Čakavian from Rijeka in north Adriatic region, 1/4 Dalmatian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Littoral

Code:

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Croat_3/4_Primorje_1/4_Dalmatia,26.03,32.8,15.52,7.48,15.18,1.6,0,0,0.21,0.12,1.04,0,0

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He gets his region as no.1! With super tight fit! :) Means Vbnethkio did a great job!

Distance to: Croat_3/4_Primorje_1/4_Dalmatia

1.43836713 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
2.01412512 Croat_B&H_Bosnia_proper
2.04978048 Croat_B&H
2.27466481 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
2.46606975 Croat_Croatia_Lika-Senj
2.57858488 Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
2.63294512 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.78592893 Bosniak
2.80278433 Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
3.24615157 Croat_B&H_West_Bosnia
3.46363970 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
3.46815513 Serb_B&H
3.60091655 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.83001305 Serb_Croatia
3.89115664 Bosniak_Krajina
4.06650956 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.08804354 Serb_Croatia_Lika
4.33030022 Croat
4.34359298 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
4.34371960 Romania_Maramures
4.40266964 Moldova_North
4.43320426 Serb_B&H_Krajina
4.44698774 Serb
4.48097088 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
4.51730008 Serb

Target: Croat_3/4_Primorje_1/4_Dalmatia
Distance: 0.8489% / 0.84894448 | ADC: 0.25x

75.4 Croat_Croatia_Istria_&_Kvarner
20.0 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
3.2 Pomak_Xanthi
1.2 Latvian
0.2 Papuan

Bulgarian from Targoviste:

Eurogenes K13:

Population
North_Atlantic 21.66 Pct
Baltic 20.11 Pct
West_Med 19.01 Pct
West_Asian 12.66 Pct
East_Med 22.58 Pct
Red_Sea 0.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_Asian 1.35 Pct
Siberian 1.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.58
2 North_Atlantic 21.66
3 Baltic 20.11
4 West_Med 19.01
5 West_Asian 12.66
6 East_Asian 1.35
7 Siberian 1.2
8 Oceanian 0.39
9 Sub-Saharan 0.35
10 Amerindian 0.34
11 South_Asian 0.22
12 Red_Sea 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.74
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.37
3 Romanian 6.73
4 Serbian 10.98
5 Italian_Abruzzo 12.19
6 Tuscan 12.4
7 Central_Greek 12.6
8 West_Sicilian 13.74
9 East_Sicilian 14.12
10 North_Italian 14.32
11 Ashkenazi 15.83
12 Moldavian 16.68
13 South_Italian 16.72
14 Hungarian 18.95
15 Croatian 19.67
16 Austrian 21.21
17 Portuguese 21.32
18 Spanish_Extremadura 22.05
19 Spanish_Galicia 22.27
20 French 22.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% South_Italian @ 2.78
2 75.7% Bulgarian + 24.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.81
3 78% Bulgarian + 22% West_Sicilian @ 2.86
4 76.8% Bulgarian + 23.2% Central_Greek @ 2.96
5 86% Bulgarian + 14% Italian_Jewish @ 3.07
6 60.9% Bulgarian + 39.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.12
7 79.6% Bulgarian + 20.4% East_Sicilian @ 3.16
8 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.18
9 73.5% Romanian + 26.5% South_Italian @ 3.21
10 67.3% Romanian + 32.7% Central_Greek @ 3.22
11 86.5% Bulgarian + 13.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.23
12 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.34
13 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Romanian @ 3.36
14 78.3% Bulgarian + 21.7% Tuscan @ 3.39
15 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Cyprian @ 3.44
16 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.45
17 62.3% South_Italian + 37.7% Ukrainian @ 3.46
18 82.8% Romanian + 17.2% Cyprian @ 3.52
19 61.8% South_Italian + 38.2% South_Polish @ 3.55
20 89.4% Bulgarian + 10.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.56

Eurogenes K15:

Population
North_Sea 18.67 Pct
Atlantic 10.76 Pct
Baltic 12.64 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.43 Pct
West_Med 14.56 Pct
West_Asian 11.91 Pct
East_Med 20.20 Pct
Red_Sea 0.37 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 1.36 Pct
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.21 Pct

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.2
2 North_Sea 18.67
3 West_Med 14.56
4 Baltic 12.64
5 West_Asian 11.91
6 Atlantic 10.76
7 Eastern_Euro 8.43
8 Southeast_Asian 1.36
9 Siberian 0.58
10 Red_Sea 0.37
11 Oceanian 0.29
12 Sub-Saharan 0.21
13 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 7.1
2 Bulgarian 8.44
3 Romanian 8.53
4 Greek 10.5
5 Serbian 10.81
6 Central_Greek 13.08
7 Italian_Abruzzo 13.11
8 Tuscan 13.18
9 Ashkenazi 13.36
10 East_Sicilian 14.32
11 Moldavian 15.25
12 West_Sicilian 15.29
13 North_Italian 15.56
14 South_Italian 16.55
15 Hungarian 16.79
16 Croatian 17.95
17 Austrian 18.17
18 Italian_Jewish 20.21
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.57
20 French 20.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.6% Greek_Thessaly + 16.4% Finnish @ 4.66
2 84% Greek_Thessaly + 16% North_Swedish @ 4.68
3 84.6% Greek_Thessaly + 15.4% East_Finnish @ 4.84
4 84.1% Greek_Thessaly + 15.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.93
5 84.7% Greek_Thessaly + 15.3% Swedish @ 4.93
6 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Hungarian @ 4.97
7 85.7% Greek_Thessaly + 14.3% Estonian @ 5.02
8 85.1% Greek_Thessaly + 14.9% Norwegian @ 5.03
9 85.9% Greek_Thessaly + 14.1% West_Norwegian @ 5.06
10 82.5% Greek_Thessaly + 17.5% Ukrainian @ 5.15
11 74.8% Greek_Thessaly + 25.2% Moldavian @ 5.21
12 66.3% Greek_Thessaly + 33.7% Serbian @ 5.23
13 86.1% Greek_Thessaly + 13.9% La_Brana-1 @ 5.24
14 82.3% Greek_Thessaly + 17.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.26
15 83% Greek_Thessaly + 17% South_Polish @ 5.27
16 85.8% Greek_Thessaly + 14.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.28
17 81.1% Greek_Thessaly + 18.9% East_German @ 5.31
18 86.6% Greek_Thessaly + 13.4% Erzya @ 5.35
19 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% West_German @ 5.37
20 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% Polish @ 5.38

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Bulgarian from Targoviste:

Eurogenes K13:

Population
North_Atlantic 21.66 Pct
Baltic 20.11 Pct
West_Med 19.01 Pct
West_Asian 12.66 Pct
East_Med 22.58 Pct
Red_Sea 0.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.22 Pct
East_Asian 1.35 Pct
Siberian 1.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.58
2 North_Atlantic 21.66
3 Baltic 20.11
4 West_Med 19.01
5 West_Asian 12.66
6 East_Asian 1.35
7 Siberian 1.2
8 Oceanian 0.39
9 Sub-Saharan 0.35
10 Amerindian 0.34
11 South_Asian 0.22
12 Red_Sea 0.14

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Some Old Bulgar thing going on :cool: How much on Dodecad?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Some Old Bulgar thing going on :cool: How much on Dodecad?

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 30.7
2 Caucasus 28.33
3 Atlantic_Med 25.27
4 Southwest_Asian 6.67
5 Gedrosia 5.81
6 Siberian 1.29
7 Northwest_African 1.09
8 East_Asian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.2
10 Southeast_Asian 0.14
11 Sub_Saharan 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.06
2 Romanians (Behar) 5.9
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 6.06
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11.4
5 Greek (Dodecad) 13.45
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.94
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.35
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.45
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.99
10 Hungarians (Behar) 19.94
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.94
12 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19.96
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.14
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.15
15 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.31
16 German (Dodecad) 24.62
17 French (Dodecad) 26.07
18 French (HGDP) 26.12
19 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 26.27
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 27.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.6
2 62.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.6
3 65.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.65
4 93% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.71
5 92.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 7.7% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.73
6 92.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.83
7 63.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 36.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.92
8 64.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.93
9 65.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.6% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.94
10 50% Hungarians (Behar) + 50% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.96
11 84.6% Romanians (Behar) + 15.4% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.05
12 65.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 3.1
13 79.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.14
14 68.7% Romanians (Behar) + 31.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.14
15 80.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.15
16 80% Romanians (Behar) + 20% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.16
17 64.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.17
18 84% Romanians (Behar) + 16% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.19
19 80.1% Romanians (Behar) + 19.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.22
20 80.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.25

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Similar to Šokac woman I tested. I wonder what would Commonsense say now, because he said it's hard to believe Šokci descend from Bosnia based on her results. And this Bosniak is similary highly Slavic.

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So why should we take an outlier as the exemplar for some alleged medieval Bosnian genetic average?

That being said, it's understated how diverse Bosniaks are as a modern ethnic group. Both a person such as this and an assimilated Albanian from Tutin will swear they are ancient Illyrians and the exact same people with the same kind of ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I personally gave up. If people want to fake their country's and/or personal results because of insecurities, then they can be my guests. Commercial tests are still there for that benchmark that none of us hasn't got any access to modify. Want to have a Serbian average in Ukrainian range? Sign me up.

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What the heck is that supposed to mean? Is there an issue you'd like to share with us?

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

What the heck is that supposed to mean? Is there an issue you'd like to share with us?

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I have trust issues with you lot.
For example, I always disclose my individual results that make the averages for Romania and Moldova, same goes for my Bulgarian averages. Dunai did the same for his Hungarian averages.
But I can't say the same about those that come from the rest of the Balkans. I just see the averages.

I have the Gedmatch of a Bulgarian from Odessa oblast. He is a very old Russian Orthodox priest, somewhat famous in Orthodox circles. If anyone's interested, I can post the results but I'd like to not share the number publicly. Not that he personally cares at the age of 86.

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Originally Posted by Leto

If anyone's interested, I can post the results

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of course we are interested, why even ask :D

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

of course we are interested, why even ask :D

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Okay, I'll post him. He is very Southern, I thought he was some type of Rumyn/Moldovan because the region has them too but then I learned he was from a Bulgarian village. His grandchildren are pretty much Russian though, totally assimilated.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I have the Gedmatch of a Bulgarian from Odessa oblast. He is a very old Russian Orthodox priest, somewhat famous in Orthodox circles. If anyone's interested, I can post the results but I'd like to not share the number publicly. Not that he personally cares at the age of 86.

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Alright, here he is:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Spoiler!

North_Atlantic 19.87 Pct
Baltic 21.14 Pct
West_Med 16.90 Pct
West_Asian 13.54 Pct
East_Med 23.31 Pct
Red_Sea 2.10 Pct
South_Asian 1.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.80 Pct
Siberian 0.13 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.10 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.74
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.26
3 Romanian 7.11
4 Serbian 11.33
5 Central_Greek 12.38
6 Italian_Abruzzo 12.63
7 East_Sicilian 13.79
8 Tuscan 14.16
9 West_Sicilian 14.49
10 Ashkenazi 15.15
11 Moldavian 16.55
12 North_Italian 16.73
13 South_Italian 16.8
14 Hungarian 19.39
15 Croatian 19.65
16 Austrian 22.07
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.2
18 Italian_Jewish 22.2
19 Algerian_Jewish 22.28
20 Portuguese 23.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 1.61
2 88.1% Bulgarian + 11.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.76
3 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 1.78
4 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Assyrian @ 1.85
5 86.9% Bulgarian + 13.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.93
6 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.1
7 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Cyprian @ 2.17
8 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Syrian @ 2.19
9 64% South_Italian + 36% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.22
10 88.8% Bulgarian + 11.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.23
11 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.29
12 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Samaritan @ 2.3
13 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Armenian @ 2.32
14 86% Bulgarian + 14% Turkish @ 2.39
15 83% Romanian + 17% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.39
16 80% Romanian + 20% Cyprian @ 2.39
17 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.43
18 89% Bulgarian + 11% Palestinian @ 2.44
19 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.47
20 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.48

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Spoiler!

North_Sea 9.49 Pct
Atlantic 16.20 Pct
Baltic 15.51 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.51 Pct
West_Med 12.50 Pct
West_Asian 13.54 Pct
East_Med 19.82 Pct
Red_Sea 2.39 Pct
South_Asian 1.51 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.32 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.17 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.83
2 Greek 6.53
3 Romanian 7.68
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.93
5 Serbian 11.81
6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.9
7 Central_Greek 12.09
8 Ashkenazi 12.63
9 Tuscan 13.17
10 East_Sicilian 13.25
11 West_Sicilian 13.7
12 South_Italian 15.27
13 Moldavian 15.88
14 North_Italian 16.29
15 Croatian 17.39
16 Austrian 17.67
17 Hungarian 18.78
18 Sephardic_Jewish 19.71
19 Italian_Jewish 19.72
20 Algerian_Jewish 20.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.68
2 89.4% Bulgarian + 10.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.9
3 87.3% Bulgarian + 12.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.92
4 88.6% Bulgarian + 11.4% Assyrian @ 2.92
5 89.5% Bulgarian + 10.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.97
6 88.6% Bulgarian + 11.4% Kurdish @ 3.02
7 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% Cyprian @ 3.03
8 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Turkish @ 3.08
9 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.08
10 89.2% Bulgarian + 10.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.09
11 87.6% Bulgarian + 12.4% Azeri @ 3.14
12 89.2% Bulgarian + 10.8% Iranian @ 3.14
13 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Syrian @ 3.17
14 81.7% Greek + 18.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.2
15 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Samaritan @ 3.23
16 89.7% Bulgarian + 10.3% Armenian @ 3.3
17 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Palestinian @ 3.31
18 81.9% Greek + 18.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.31
19 82.3% Greek + 17.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.35
20 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.39

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Spoiler!

Amerindian -
Arabian 0.63 Pct
Armenian 2.08 Pct
Basque 0.30 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.14 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.95 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.30 Pct
East_Med 8.87 Pct
Eastern_Euro 6.53 Pct
Fennoscandian 0.57 Pct
French 2.78 Pct
Iberian 4.72 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 22.66 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 7.90 Pct
North_African 0.91 Pct
North_Atlantic 0.85 Pct
North_Caucasian 7.52 Pct
North_Sea 4.82 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.37 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.78 Pct
West_Med 4.32 Pct

MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Spoiler!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.39
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.96
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.76
4 Near_East 7.92
5 South_Central_Asian 4.36
6 South_Indian 1.59
7 North_African 1.46
8 Australoid 1.07
9 Paleo_Siberian 0.75
10 Arctic 0.44
11 Ancestral_Altaic 0.43
12 Tungus-Altaic 0.29
13 Amerindian 0.26
14 African_Pygmy 0.19
15 Archaic_Human 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian ( ) 3.42
2 Bulgarian ( ) 4.06
3 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 5.75
4 Montenegrian ( ) 5.88
5 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 6.14
6 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 6.94
7 Gagauz ( ) 6.95
8 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.95
9 Romanian ( ) 7.05
10 Greek_Northwest ( ) 7.08
11 Serb_BH ( ) 7.64
12 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 7.7
13 Croat ( ) 7.93
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 8.13
15 Ashkenazi ( ) 8.17
16 Bosnian ( ) 8.2
17 Kosovar ( ) 8.36
18 Croat_BH ( ) 8.39
19 Central_Greek ( ) 8.46
20 Serb_Serbia ( ) 8.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.2% Greek_Islands ( ) + 49.8% Czech ( ) @ 1.91
2 52.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 47.6% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.05
3 64.3% Serb_BH ( ) + 35.7% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.08
4 63.3% Croat ( ) + 36.7% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.11
5 51.7% Greek_Islands ( ) + 48.3% Slovak ( ) @ 2.14
6 89.2% Macedonian ( ) + 10.8% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 2.16
7 58.2% Greek ( ) + 41.8% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) @ 2.16
8 89.1% Macedonian ( ) + 10.9% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 2.18
9 60.6% Greek ( ) + 39.4% Czech ( ) @ 2.19
10 68.5% Greek ( ) + 31.5% German ( ) @ 2.19
11 90.5% Macedonian ( ) + 9.5% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 2.19
12 79.5% Macedonian ( ) + 20.5% Cretan ( ) @ 2.2
13 62.6% Bosnian ( ) + 37.4% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.26
14 83.7% Macedonian ( ) + 16.3% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.26
15 58.1% Serb_BH ( ) + 41.9% Cretan ( ) @ 2.28
16 89.3% Macedonian ( ) + 10.7% Samaritian ( ) @ 2.28
17 88% Macedonian ( ) + 12% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) @ 2.29
18 58.7% Greek_Islands ( ) + 41.3% German ( ) @ 2.3
19 91.2% Macedonian ( ) + 8.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) @ 2.31
20 87.9% Macedonian ( ) + 12.1% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.32

Dodecad K12b Admixture Proportions + Vahaduo

Spoiler!

Gedrosia 4.47 Pct
Siberian 0.18 Pct
Northwest_African 0.80 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.08 Pct
North_European 29.20 Pct
South_Asian 1.16 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.14 Pct
East_Asian 0.63 Pct
Caucasus 29.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: SD
3.62512069 Greek_Macedonia
4.37853857 MD_Gagauz
4.64318856 Turk_Macedonia
4.70262693 Greek_Thessaloniki
5.11156532 Albanian_North
5.18867999 Albanian_Kosovo
5.25898279 Bulgarian
5.27073050 Turk_Greece
5.31080973 Greek_Thessaly
5.69304839 Greek_Thrace

Target: SD
Distance: 2.2106% / 2.21061052 | ADC: 0.5x
46.6 Greek_Macedonia
43.2 Greek_Thessaloniki
10.2 Pomak

Target: SD
Distance: 1.4940% / 1.49395028 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 Greek_Thessaloniki
43.2 Pomak
1.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
0.2 Pulliyar

Target: SD
Distance: 1.0697% / 1.06969622
35.0 Greek_Thessaloniki
25.2 Albanian_North
21.2 Greek_Athens
12.4 Lithuanian
4.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
0.8 Pulliyar
0.8 Yemen_Jews
0.2 Korean

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I personally gave up. If people want to fake their country's and/or personal results because of insecurities, then they can be my guests. Commercial tests are still there for that benchmark that none of us hasn't got any access to modify. Want to have a Serbian average in Ukrainian range? Sign me up.

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i don't agree. many people outside this forum use Vahaduo and make conclusions about their ancestry based on it.
Vahaduo averages should be made as proffesionlly as possible.

commercial tests can't be compared, because they don't test the same variable.
e.g. in most commercial tests most modern Balkanians get 90% Balkan. from this it's impossible tell how much ancient Slavic and pre-Slavic admixture they have. from gedmatch calculators, it's possible.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I have trust issues with you lot.
For example, I always disclose my individual results that make the averages for Romania and Moldova, same goes for my Bulgarian averages. Dunai did the same for his Hungarian averages.
But I can't say the same about those that come from the rest of the Balkans. I just see the averages.

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Many individual results have already been posted on various threads. Vbnetkhio has also mentioned the number of samples he has for every average, as well as the highest and lowest values of specific components that he found. Is a massive chart showcasing every single individual result really necessary?

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

For example, I always disclose my individual results that make the averages for Romania and Moldova, same goes for my Bulgarian averages. Dunai did the same for his Hungarian averages.
But I can't say the same about those that come from the rest of the Balkans. I just see the averages.

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i got most of the samples by promising first that i wouldn't post their indivudal results publically and just use them for the averages.

i showed the individual samples and gedmatch kit Nos only to Lucas, so he can know they are real. because there really were some fake results circulating around.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Vahaduo averages should be made as proffesionlly as possible.

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With this I agree.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i got most of the samples by promising first that i wouldn't post their indivudal results publically and just use them for the averages.

i showed the individual samples and gedmatch kit Nos only to Lucas, so he can know they are real. because there really were some fake results circulating around.

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I do the same obviously. I don't disclose names and personal details. A good chunk of my kits are not on GEDmatch. But there is no harm in posting the results. Those are just some random numbers. Nobody can be identified based on them.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Many individual results have already been posted on various threads. Vbnetkhio has also mentioned the number of samples he has for every average, as well as the highest and lowest values of specific components that he found. Is a massive chart showcasing every single individual result really necessary?

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Of course, you can see what's typical and what isn't. This is especially useful for regions that have few samples, as a couple of outliers can dramatically affect the average.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I do the same obviously. I don't disclose names and personal details. A good chunk of my kits are not on GEDmatch. But there is no harm in posting the results. Those are just some random numbers. Nobody can be identified based on them.

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How do you treat mixed Moldovans, Romanians? I mean people with 2 or more ancestral counties.

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Originally Posted by Leto

How do you treat mixed Moldovans, Romanians? I mean people with 2 or more ancestral counties.

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Chisinau and Bucharest

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Of course, you can see what's typical and what isn't. This is especially useful for regions that have few samples, as a couple of outliers can dramatically affect the average.

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The majority of individual samples have been posted here, nobody has any malicious reason to hide anything. They just haven't been shown in a single table. Although they were showcased in PCAs before.

If you want to see them all together in one table, then you can just ask for that instead of slandering someone by accusing them of manipulating results without any proof. There was one case of a user that did that, but he wasn't affiliated with vbnetkhio. He was actually shamed on this forum for that, with results compiled by him being rejected.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

The majority of individual samples have been posted here, nobody has any malicious reason to hide anything. They just haven't been shown in a single table. Although they were showcased in PCAs before.

If you want to see them all together in one table, then you can just ask for that instead of slandering someone by accusing them of manipulating results without any proof. There was one case of a user that did that, but he wasn't affiliated with vbnetkhio. He was actually shamed on this forum for that, with results compiled by him being rejected.

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I am not going to parse the forum for that. But this is exactly why I have trust issues with users from Western Balkans. That guy was also a Serb, right?