I just got mine : H1c1. What does it tell ?
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I just got mine : H1c1. What does it tell ?
Western European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleonore
Mine is L2a1l2a1. L2a1l2a is apparently exclusive to Ashkenazi Jews and quite rare (estimated 1.5%). I don't really know what to make of it. Maybe I descend from the queen of Sheba. :eusa_eh:
K2, whatever that is. If my maternal great- grandmother was French genetically, then it would be wise to assume that K2 has a high reading among members of some Western European population.
K is most common in the UK and France within Europe, if you exclude Ashkenazi Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooding
Thank you, but no country in particular ? On 23andme website, it says it did originate in Doggerland which is underwater now !Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
That sounds pretty cool :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleonore
It seems my ancestors knew how to swim or i wouldn't be there to be confused about it, giggles. I have never heard of it before, it sounds pretty cool indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skjaldemjøden
Can't tell you for H1c1 in particular but looks to be Bay of Biscay/UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleonore
Doggerland flooded gradually, and of course the 'cultural territory' would have included lands that are not currently submerged around the North Sea.
It was probably completely underwater by about 8,000 years ago.
Longbowman, do you know maybe the origins of N1a? Cannot find any meanigful info on it.
X2d.. woooo! no information on it wooooooo! Its not the Native American X2A.. its not the Druze X1, X3 or X2b/e... all thats known about it was it originated somewhere in the Caucasus and is found today in found in Central and Eastern Europe, Balkans, Georgia and Turkmenistan. Also thought to have been introduced to Europe pre-indo european expansion by Anatolian farmers. Haplogroup X is referred to as "the traveler" because it is the most geographically diverse haplogroup.. but only found in tiny amounts everywhere (except the Druze in the Levant with X1,X2b, X2e, X2f, X3 ~20%).
edit: double post.
Mine is U7.
It was found in a Scythian grave.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com.tr/2012...scythians.html
It also found at high frequencies (most) in modern-day Lurs, Azeris, Persians, Ossetians, Kurds, Pashtuns, Burusho, Tajik, Balochi etc.
Thanks again. It turns out i have nearly 10% "English" on my result, i don't know if it qualifies or fits with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
Ps: May i ask why the 23andme forum is locked? Is it only for the "friend of apricity?"
U2e1a
No - but you need to be a regular member, which involves having 15 posts. However, I have just made you one so you can explore it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleonore
Most Bretons and North French and Dutch score some British.
It's a Neolithic clade with serious representation in old Neolithic Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N1a_%28mtDNA%29
However it is now extremely rare in Europe - you are one of the few survivors! It is most common in certain parts of Croatia, but still VERY unusual.Quote:
Seven of 42 skeletons from Linear Pottery Culture sites were found to be members of the N1a haplogroup (see Neolithic European section). N1a was also identified in remains from a 6200 year-old megalithic long mound near Prissé-la-Charrière, France.[10] A 2500 year old fossil of a Scytho-Siberian in the Altai Republic, easternmost representative of the Scythians, was found to be a member of N1a1.[11] A study of a 10th and 11th century Hungarians found that N1a1a1 was present in high-status individuals but absent from commoners.[12] One of thirteen skeletons analyzed from a medieval cemetery dated 1250-1450 AD in Denmark was found to be a member of subclade N1a1a.[13]
Strong associations with r1b, and with megaliths of france.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleonore
mtDNA V :thumb001:
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/mtDNA-V-map.png
Do you know which subclade of V you belong to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazik
HV9
No, unfortunately not. Some clade that's not found yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Wolf
I'm HV0 myself, which is pre-V, a rather rare west euro MtDNAQuote:
Originally Posted by Mazik
D4, commonly found in Koreans, Japanese, Okinawans and especially the Mongolic people of Northern China. Also found in Siberia and among the Kazakhs.
I'm J1c3f and I've had the full mitochondrial sequence done at FTDNA. 11 - 25 generations ago I shared an ancestor with someone from Norway and the Russian Federation. I have a genetic distance of 1 with a person in Norway and the Russian Federation that is 1 mutation difference at the full sequence level. I also have a genetic distance of 2 and a genetic distance of 3 with 2 other Norwegians but all these Norwegians have the same surname. It is the feminine form of the name ending in dottar & dattar so 3 different people but the same surname. Because the closest is with Norway and the Russian Federation this looks to me like some sort of Viking movement (albeit a female one). Does anyone know if a distance of 1 is closer than the Viking era?
Genetic Distance - 1
Country
Norway
Russian Federation
Genetic Distance - 2
Country
Norway
Sweden
United Kingdom
England
Germany
France
Ireland
Hungary
Genetic Distance - 3
Bosnia and Herzegovina
England
France
Germany
Ireland
Norway
Poland
Russian Federation
That's really interesting! :) I'm currently waiting for my results from a full mitochondrial sequence with FTDNA, so it's good to see the sort of things you find out. I'm hoping to get a more specific haplogroup too. I'm going to have to read up on the genetic distances with mtDNA. I suppose 11 generations could be relatively recent, but I guess it's based on average mutation times so it could be much longer ago (or more recent).Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
Yes it is interesting. Post the info when you find out. I've also found out that a person who lived in Germany from 4,000 years ago was J1c3f and they were Unetice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catkin
K2: I probably have some French Basques hiding in the woodpile somewhere. :)
I thought my mtdna haplogroup would have been H,H1,etc. I was surprised when I found out my haplogroup was X2b. X2b is really rare. There aren't a lot of people who can say that X2b is their mtdna haplogroup. At first I thought it came from a Native American ancestor but I was wrong. X2b isn't associated with Native Americans. X2b can be found in Germany and the British Isles. My mom has German and English/Irish ancestry,so I'm guessing it came from one of those regions.
I got my results today, I am H27 (good job James Lick!). It doesn't seem that common, but I do have some exact matches :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
Exact matches for FMS coding region, HVR1 and HVR2:
Country (alphabetically)
England
Germany
Ireland
Poland
United Kingdom
Genetic Distance - 1
Spoiler!
Genetic Distance - 2
Spoiler!
Genetic Distance - 3
Spoiler!
Of my exact matches 5 are English, 3 are Irish, and the others just have one match each. Maybe there are other matches who haven't put their country of ancestry :confused:. It seems my female line has been kicking around these Isles for a while! I actually had no idea about the ancestry of this line as I can't trace any further than my mum's grandmother- I just know they lived in London. I'm still trying to read up on all the details of mtdna and likely mutation times etc, there's so much I don't know.
N1b1b. Pretty rare subclade in Europe. Not entirely sure the story there...lol
Interesting too, that we have very different haplogroups, yet the countries of our closest matches are very similar- across the whole of Northern Europe to Russia. Similar population movements?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley
...unless you're Jewish :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rololz teh Viking
Haplogroups only tell you about one very small direct line of ancestry. Autosomal DNA gives you the big picture when it comes to your DNA. You probably already know this though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catkin
Yeah, but it's interesting to try to trace a direct female line, knowing the mtDNA is a signature I'll pass on directly :). It's not as good for ancestry as y-DNA, with the slower mutations, and of course it's not got any surname connections, but it's all I have! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Wolf
Map location of other people that match my mtdna.
Spoiler!
Yes I noticed that as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catkin
I updated the poll to include X. :)
H6a1b. Read a little about it on the internet (Eupedia). It seems that this mtdna haplogroup is associated with the Corded Ware culture just like my Y-DNA. Not sure in which population it peaks, 23andme says czechs and french. I know that one bulgarian member has it and I've seen on FTDNA site/forum that a few western europeans (or americans of western european descent) have it.
Anyone knows more about H6a1b? I downloaded my raw mtdna data on one of those amateurish sites (jameslick) and it told me that it is most likely H6a1b4.
J2a2, it seems to be a middle eastern subclade according to Eupedia :
"J2a2 : found mostly in the Near East and North Africa
J2a2a : found in Italy, Anatolia, the Levant and Yemen
J2a2b : found in the Maghreb, Greece and Russia
J2a2c : found in Italy (including Sardinia) and Yemen
J2a2d : found in the Maghreb".
And my most distant matrilineal ancestor is Anne Elisabeth Schommers born at Thommen (german community in Belgium) in the mid 18th century.