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03-16-2020, 10:28 AM
AlfonsoVIII

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gallop

Tengo la impresión que debe ser antiguo pero una llegada de Anatolia a la península ibérica hasta nuestros días no acabo de verlo, tié que ser otra ruta, más que nada por intuición en base a los resultados claro.

Mi andaluz no es andalusí no te equivoques, ese periodo no existe en mi legado abstracto representativo cultural, ni imaginario personal o colectivo entre los andaluces, es una brecha, un abismo, algo que lees en los libros nada más pero que no está presente en la memoria de mi pasado y no cuenta al igual que al resto de andaluces salvo algún comunista romántico hijo de padres ricos que juega a las mil y una noches que por moda pretende recrearlo con 4 objetos decorativos en su casa, espero que haya quedado claro. Esto lo digo para que nos conozcas mejor y no creas que hablarle a un andaluz de Al-Andalus es hablarle de algo suyo porque te dirá que ese periodo era de cuando los moros u otro se puede sentir molesto porque esa no es su identidad, recuerda que toda la herencia de la agricultura y ganadería de la Andalucía actual es herencia de los pobladores de los reinos cristianos, vamos que nosotros la sangre de los animales nos la comemos con tomate.

Y no lo digo por ti, pero como soy andaluz y defiendo a Andalucía a muerte, nadie me, nos va a dar una identidad que no tenemos, ni tampoco lo vamos a consentir y si alguien está equivocado que se aclare.

Y si a los guiris le gusta la Al hambra o como se llame toda para ellos; aunque como escenario para el turismo y para que toda esa horda de turistas nórdicos, belgas o franceses se hagan todas las pajas mentales que quieran.

Pues el regionalismo/nacionalismo andaluz se basa en gran parte en el mito romántico de la etapa andalusí. Cuando has hablado de "algún comunista romántico hijo de padres ricos que juega a las mil y una noches que por moda pretende recrearlo con 4 objetos decorativos en su casa" automáticamente he pensado en Blas Infante, te lo juro.
03-16-2020, 11:02 AM
gixajo

Tengo ya las coordenadas del g25, ¿Cuándo se usa la scaled y cuando la otra?

Y ya de paso, los expertos que vayan recomendándome alguna calculadora que usar, a ver que tal.

Vahaduo global Europe PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/orM3zyp.png
03-16-2020, 11:03 AM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Tengo ya las coordenadas del g25, ¿Cuándo se usa la scaled y cuando la otra?

Y ya de paso, los expertos que vayan recomendándome alguna calculadora que usar, a ver que tal.

Vahaduo global Europe PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/orM3zyp.png

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...OMPONENTS-2020 usa esa y postea los resultados.

Entra en el vahaduo y postea por aqui el World25 Nicola Scaled, es muy buena, y luego el K=50.
03-16-2020, 11:23 AM
gixajo

No veo el World25Nicola entre los scaled, el ultimate Modern World k=50 :

https://i.imgur.com/th3aVG4.png

https://i.imgur.com/NMXqexl.png
03-16-2020, 11:24 AM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Tengo ya las coordenadas del g25, ¿Cuándo se usa la scaled y cuando la otra?

Y ya de paso, los expertos que vayan recomendándome alguna calculadora que usar, a ver que tal.

Vahaduo global Europe PCA:

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/orM3zyp.png

Eres más vascoide que yo, sabes usar Vahaduo? copia y pega todo esto en Source, luego hazlo con tus coordenadas pero en Target, después en la pestaña Single le das al botoncito de la derecha donde ponga tu nombre (en mi caso Juan_scaled). Es escalado esta calculadora.

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

Code:

Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413 Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995 ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838 Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377 Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305 Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0.0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535 Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602 MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534 Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556 WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0.1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516 Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
03-16-2020, 11:28 AM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defcon2

Eres más vascoide que yo, sabes usar Vahaduo? copia y pega todo esto en Source, luego hazlo con tus coordenadas pero en Target, después en la pestaña Single le das al botoncito de la derecha donde ponga tu nombre (en mi caso Juan_scaled). Es escalado esta calculadora.

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

Code:

Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413 Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995 ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838 Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028,0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377 Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305 Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0.0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535 Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602 MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534 Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556 WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0.1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516 Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.8689% / 0.03868946 | ADC: 0.25x
57.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.8 WHG
0.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.4336% / 0.04433551 | ADC: 0.5x
51.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.4 WHG

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7521% / 0.03752133
54.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.0 WHG
2.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Distancias:

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.14453454 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.15287673 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.19265516 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.20083927 Levant_PPNB
0.21067559 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.33147490 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.34730661 WHG
0.39248266 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728
0.45290775 MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.46677332 Jarawa
0.62221794 Han
0.63209844 Nganassan
0.66513923 ETH_4500BP
0.67986061 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.72570987 Dinka
0.73904863 Gambian
0.76546303 Yoruba

Tu comentarás que ves aquí.
03-16-2020, 11:30 AM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

No veo el World25Nicola entre los scaled, el ultimate Modern World k=50 :

https://i.imgur.com/th3aVG4.png

https://i.imgur.com/NMXqexl.png

Interesante...

La World25 Nicola la ves en las calculadoras regional, no las custom. Postea esa y ve a mi thread, usa esa para ver componentes antiguos.
03-16-2020, 11:30 AM
Defcon2

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.8689% / 0.03868946 | ADC: 0.25x
57.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.8 WHG
0.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.4336% / 0.04433551 | ADC: 0.5x
51.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.4 WHG

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7521% / 0.03752133
54.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.0 WHG
2.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Distancias:

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.14453454 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.15287673 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.19265516 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.20083927 Levant_PPNB
0.21067559 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.33147490 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.34730661 WHG
0.39248266 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728
0.45290775 MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.46677332 Jarawa
0.62221794 Han
0.63209844 Nganassan
0.66513923 ETH_4500BP
0.67986061 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.72570987 Dinka
0.73904863 Gambian
0.76546303 Yoruba

Tu comentarás que ves aquí.

El WHG es muy alto, pensé que tu norteafricano era extremadamente bajo pero es normal.
03-16-2020, 11:30 AM
gixajo

Luego sigo, me reclaman...
03-16-2020, 11:31 AM
Rocinante

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.8689% / 0.03868946 | ADC: 0.25x
57.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.8 WHG
0.4 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.4336% / 0.04433551 | ADC: 0.5x
51.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
30.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
9.4 WHG

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7521% / 0.03752133
54.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.0 WHG
2.2 MAR_Iberomaurusian

Distancias:

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.14453454 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.15287673 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.19265516 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.20083927 Levant_PPNB
0.21067559 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.33147490 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.34730661 WHG
0.39248266 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728
0.45290775 MAR_Iberomaurusian
0.46677332 Jarawa
0.62221794 Han
0.63209844 Nganassan
0.66513923 ETH_4500BP
0.67986061 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.72570987 Dinka
0.73904863 Gambian
0.76546303 Yoruba

Tu comentarás que ves aquí.

Se nota muchisimo el vasco con tan alto WHG, es mas que el promedio, y el yamnaya esta en el average. Interesante amigo...

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