What's Your Y-DNA Haplogroup?

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10-26-2017, 08:27 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Stears

Maybe. But the R1b highest frequency among the Basques, who are not IE speakers.

The more I read about genetic, the happier I am to being I-man :))))))))))

R1b is becouse invaders from Asia (in this case R1b people) had sex-orgies with indogenous Basques (which were not R1b) and that is a result from paternal line of mixing.

They keep their language from the mother side (which were not Indo-European) :)

But father was of Asian origin. So R1a and R1b is the same branch. Asian origin people who didn't look European, like we have a lot of them today. (result of mixing with white people).
10-26-2017, 08:35 PM
Rethel

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

Asian origin people who didn't look European, like we have a lot of them today. (result of mixing with white people).

:picard2:
10-26-2017, 08:37 PM
kingjohn

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Originally Posted by Stears

Haplogroup E1b1b (formerly known as E3b) represents the last major direct migration from Africa into Europe. It is believed to have first appeared in the Horn of Africa approximately 26,000 years ago and dispersed to North Africa and the Near East during the late Paleolithic and Mesolithic periods.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...1b_Y-DNA.shtml

now let me clean the mess
the ancestor of e-v13 e-L618 was found in neolithic dalmatia

Impresso pottery Croatia Zemunica Cave [I3948] M 5600-5470 BCE 769991 E1b1b1a1b1 E1b1b1a1b1:CTS3287:14801129A->G; E1b1b1a1b1:CTS5291:16189080T->G; E1b1b1a1b1:CTS5527:16345952A->G; E1b1b1a1b1:CTS7273:17396160C->T; E1b1b1a1b1:L618:15339697T->C; E1b1b1a1b1F2215:8262442A->G; E1b1b1a1b1F2246:22073053G->A; E1b1b1a:CTS8899:18538216C->A; E1b1b1a:L546:17516070C->T; E1b1b1aF2108:7804308C->T; E1b1b1aF2114:8232450C->A; E1b1b1aF2173:21036413C->T; E1b1b1aF2178:21583211C->A; E1b1b1aF2188:22080316G->A; E1b1b1:CTS2216:14221285G->T; E1b1b1:CTS3637:15089380A->G; E1b1b1:CTS6298:16808859A->G; E1b1b1:CTS6834:17138251A->G; E1b1b1:CTS7154:17325559G->T; E1b1b1:CTS9956:19170454C->T; E1b1b1:CTS10184:19316389A->T; E1b1b1:L796:21358197T->C; E1b1b1:M5041:21491115A->G; E1b1b1:M5047:21977569C->T; E1b1b1:M5078:7721674G->A; E1b1b1:M5108:8880108G->A; E1b1b1:M5322:22181731G->A; E1b1b1:M5360:23618826C->T; E1b1b1F1575:9389773T->G; E1b1b1F1619:13848122T->C; E1b1b:CTS225:2827409C->T; E1b1b:CTS8479.1:18045601C->T; E1b1b:CTS9049:18637397C->G; E1b1b:CTS10513:19503700T->C; E1b1b:CTS10679:22700429G->A; E1b1b:CTS11223:23021729G->A; E1b1b:L336:21903853G->A; E1b1b:M5082:7905833C->T; E1b1b:M5083:7906010A->G; E1b1b:M5101:8692771C->T; E1b1b:M5305:21658631G->C; E1b12:21610831G->A; E1:CTS955:7104553C->T; E1:CTS5913:16550700G->A; E1:CTS9083:18662674G->A; E1:CTS9753:19058376G->A; E:CTS860:7052802A->T; E:CTS2893:14545105G->A; etc N1a1 source Mathieson 2017

also avellander cave iberia
Epicardial Spain Avellaner cave, Catalonia [Ave 07] M 5000 BC E1b1b1a1b1a M35.1, V13, Ei in STR table U5 16051G; 16189C; 16270T source :Lacan 2011b

and we have e-m78 in sopot culture
Sopot (proto Lengyel) Hungary Bicske-Galagonyás [BICS 4]
5000-4800 BC E1b1b1a1 M78 H39 16299g Szécsényi-Nagy 2015 thesis

so this hapologroup have been in europe for along long time much before the indo european who came from the steppe
you are correct though that the natufian not belong to e-v13
they belong to e-z830 the ancestor of m123-m34 the middle eastern version of e1b1b1 who descendnents from e-z827

E1b1b1b has been identified among Natufians, and later among Levantine PPNB

Natufian Israel Raqefet Cave, Mount Carmel [I1072 / Nat 9] M 11840-9760 BCE E1b1b1b2 Z830 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) CTS8182+, CTS11781+ (E1b1b1b2), (CTS1652-, CTS11051-, CTS11574-) N1b ? source: Lazaridis 2016

Natufian Israel Raqefet Cave, Mount Carmel [I0861 / Nat 10] M 11840-9760 BCE E1b1b1b2 Z830 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) L336+ (E1b1b), M5108+, CTS3637+, CTS7154+, PF1755+, L796+ (E1b1b1), CTS11781+ (E1b1b1b2), (L857-, Z865-)
sourece: Lazaridis 2016

hope i clarify a little bit .......
10-26-2017, 08:39 PM
Stears

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Originally Posted by Rethel

:picard2:

You are defeated.
10-26-2017, 08:41 PM
Rethel

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Originally Posted by Stears

You are defeated.

Becasue of what?
Becasue some guy wrote some sentence on TA? :picard2:
10-26-2017, 08:46 PM
Stears

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Originally Posted by Rethel

Becasue of what?
Becasue some guy wrote some sentence on TA? :picard2:

Because you don't even know from which haplogroup all other branches originate.

MY Y cromosome cousins mainly in Skandinavia, and yours mainly in India Pakistan area, if we go by the absolute numbers.

Deal with it.
10-26-2017, 08:48 PM
Rethel

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Originally Posted by Stears

Because you don't even know from which haplogroup all other branches originate.

Where did I say that I don;t know?
Are you butthurted, that you think that you are from Ethiopia?
In that case you should be butthurted on yourself, not me.
It was your statement, not mine.

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MY Y cromosome cousins mainly in Skandinavia, and yours mainly in India Pakistan area, if we go by the absolute numbers.

And what?

Quote:

Deal with it.

And what?
10-26-2017, 08:55 PM
Stears

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Originally Posted by Rethel

Where did I say that I don;t know?
Are you butthurted, that you think that you are from Ethiopia?
In that case you should be butthurted on yourself, not me.
It was your statement, not mine.

And what?

And what?

The conclusion : R1a is not really the white man's gene.
10-26-2017, 09:09 PM
Rethel

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Originally Posted by Stears

The conclusion : R1a is not really the white man's gene.

Becasue you are from Ethiopia, or becasue R1 (as all possible main hgs) is from Asia? :bored:
10-27-2017, 04:53 PM
Stears

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Originally Posted by Rethel

Becasue you are from Ethiopia, or becasue R1 (as all possible main hgs) is from Asia? :bored:

I am native European. You are native Asian.

Deal with it.

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