Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I don't know, I have one ancestor from around Drniš and their surname has no connections with Herzegovina or Bunjevci. It doesn't exist there.

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Surname is might created locally around Drniš. Not all Bunjevci from Dalmatian hinterland brought surnames from Herzegovina, some were created after they settled in Dalmatia.

Some is with Dalmatian Serbs. Some surnames arrived from BiH, Raška and Montenegro, and some were created in Dalmatia and exist only locally.
For example Serbs with surname Lunić from Drniš area brought that surname from Livno area in the late 17th century, Serbs Raškovići from Knin probably carry this surname from Raška, Serbs Miloš and Barišić from Vrlika brought surnames from Duvno field in 1692, Macure brought surname from northern Montenegro (Raška), but Serbs with surnames Komazec, Markoš, Tutuš and Vukobrat got surnames in Dalmatia.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I am not sure, for example we have no proof that Zadar Croat has Bunjevac origins. Bunjevci are far smaller group than Pribislav makes them to be.
Most of these southern shifted Croats just have extra Vlach blood (which arrived from east in Ottoman times). But Bunjevci are counted as Vlachs itself, so it's bit confusing.

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Is there any proof that there were Romance-speaking people in such large numbers in the Dinarics during the Ottoman era?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Is there any proof that there were Romance-speaking people in such large numbers in the Dinarics during the Ottoman era?

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Morlachs are mentioned as Romance speakers between 12-14 century. After that they were slavicized.
Name which contain -ul often have Romanophone Vlach origin. Like Radulović (common among Serbs)

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Is there any proof that there were Romance-speaking people in such large numbers in the Dinarics during the Ottoman era?

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Of course not.
Bunjevci are just Catholic Serbs. Feiichy's "Morlach" cluster confirmed things which are obvious even without genetic for all Serbs and Croatians.

I understand Feiichy's position, she don't want to admit Serbian origin of Bunjevci (štokavian folks as Serbs, not chakavians as real "super Slavic" Croatians).
I recognize serbification of Vlachs (Rumani) from East Serbs. I don't have a problem with that unlike Feiichy with Bunjevci.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Surname is might created locally around Drniš. Not all Bunjevci from Dalmatian hinterland brought surnames from Herzegovina, some were created after they settled in Dalmatia.

Some is with Dalmatian Serbs. Some surnames arrived from BiH, Raška and Montenegro, and some were created in Dalmatia and exist only locally.
For example Serbs with surname Lunić from Drniš area brought that surname from Livno area in the late 17th century, Serbs Raškovići from Knin probably carry this surname from Raška, Serbs Miloš and Barišić from Vrlika brought surnames from Duvno field in 1692, Macure brought surname from northern Montenegro (Raška), but Serbs with surnames Komazec, Markoš, Tutuš and Vukobrat got surnames in Dalmatia.

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For my ancesotor is bizzare theory:

Aralica families are usually Croats and they are mostly from Knin area. According to some sources from the Island of Zlarin and from Puljane near Knin. There is a hypothesis they immigrated from the Aral Sea in Russia, and very rarely Serbs. In Puljane in Knin area every sixth inhabitant had the family name Aralica.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Of course not.
Bunjevci are just Catholic Serbs. Feiichy's "Morlach" cluster confirmed things which are obvious even without genetic for all Serbs and Croatians.

I understand Feiichy's position, she don't want to admit Serbian origin of Bunjevci (štokavian folks as Serbs, not chakavians as real "super Slavic" Croatians).
I recognize serbification of Vlachs (Rumani) from East Serbs. I don't have a problem with that unlike Feiichy with Bunjevci.

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My very close relative Vlaj Ivan Aralica isn't a fan of Serbs xD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Aralica

Aralica was swept into the vortex of turbulent events known as the Croatian spring (1971). During this tumultuous era he allied with those who advocated greater Croatian autonomy and freedom for Croatian people in Communist Yugoslavia. From 1979 to 1989 Aralica published eight novels, which can be best described as modernist rewritings of historical fiction. The best among them (Psi u trgovištu/Dogs in a bazaar, 1979; Duše robova/Slaves’ souls, 1984; Graditelj svratišta/Builder of an inn, 1986; Asmodejev šal/Asmodey’s shawl, 1988) show similar traits: these are essentially novels of complex narrative techniques recreating dramatic events in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina from 16th to 18th century and describing historical fatum of Croats caught in the “clash of civilizations”- a three centuries long warfare between Austria, the Ottoman Empire and Venice. He wrote two books of political essays (one about the genesis of Serbian imperialism, the other on historical complexities of the conflict in Bosnia and Herzegovina)

Still vigorously writing in his eight decade, Aralica is considered as one of the best Croatian novelists of the 2nd half of the 20th century.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

For my ancesotor is bizzare theory:

Aralica families are usually Croats and they are mostly from Knin area. According to some sources from the Island of Zlarin and from Puljane near Knin. There is a hypothesis they immigrated from the Aral Sea in Russia, and very rarely Serbs. In Puljane in Knin area every sixth inhabitant had the family name Aralica.

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Serbian painter Stojan Aralica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Aralica

In Bukovica there was a Serbs with surname Ardalić, it's similar as Aralica.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Serbian painter Stojan Aralica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Aralica

In Bukovica there was a Serbs with surname Ardalić, it's similar as Aralica.

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Well, their surname isn't present in Herzegovina or among Bunjevci. And I am not suprised for that Serb. All Aralice are smart and educated.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

By the way, native Illyrians in Dalmatia had high North Atlantic. Which is exactly why this guy is modeled as Russian + North Italian (just like me)
These is Iron Age samples who plot very similary, just bit less north.

Bronze Age Dalmatian

1 North_Atlantic 36.73
2 West_Med 23.57
3 East_Med 15.67
4 Baltic 13.11
5 West_Asian 8.04
6 Red_Sea 2.87

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That's a sample from Bronze Age, the natives since then were clapped by dozens of populations.Its statistically impossible for you to have any portion of your DNA significantly from them, let alone half.

You don't want to understand that you can't model balkanites with 2 populations, let alone using ancient ones, you need like 30-50% medieval slav + dozens other populations.(mostly from early middle ages, with some from ancient period), you are yourself a mix of a dozen different ethnicities that you know of.

Today i learned 3 new things:
1) Romanians are not a ethnic group, but a offense
2)during the early ottoman period existed latin speakers in the dinaric mountains
3)Bunjevci are one of the most important and influential ethnicity after the anglo-saxons
:)