That's Paleo-Balkan branch of R1b.Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiu
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That's Paleo-Balkan branch of R1b.Quote:
Originally Posted by ovidiu
R1b-L23 in Europe directly came from Yamna or other IE peoples as the Yamna samples were almost all R1b-L23. Today in Europe R1b-L23 is most common among Balkanites and was even found in a Vucedol sample in Croatia. The downstream of L23 called BY611 is most common among AlbaniansQuote:
Originally Posted by ovidiu
Most likely it was original Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian and Hellenic IE marker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Yh I think it's responsible for the diffusion of IE languages in the Balkans. I remember reading that the fact that Illyrians were most likely R1b-L23 suggests that they were Satem speakers and not Centum speakers, not sure how accurate this isQuote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
J2a-M319 here, my maternal side is I2a2-M223. Both paleo-Balkan haplogroups.
Cool. So this Yamna culture was a close offshoot of the original Indo-European one then? I always thought that was more associated with what would later become the Indo-Iranian peoples. Also, what's the most up to date research on the PIE homeland? North of the Caucasus in the Pontic Steppe of southern Russia or in Anatolia? I haven't read much about this in the last five years.
Also, haplogroups are interesting but not very informative for a person (versus a population). It only represents one small chain of your total ancestry, the one that goes directly from father to father. Each generation you go back you have more and more ancestors. My friend who got tested recently said she had an mtDNA of D something, which apparently is found more in Asia and rare in Europe, but on that same service she had no actual Asian even show up in her ancestry. So it's a cool little curiosity but not much else.
Sorry for double post. I kept getting a database error so it seemed like it wasn't coming up.
Russian and I-M253, anybody else?
So I tried the morley ydna predictor and I got this
https://i.imgur.com/3Ccygeh.png
from what I can tell, it's a subclade of z280. Anyone know more about this?
Your subclade is very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Pill
http://peaceandjustice.freeforums.ne...haplogroup-r1aQuote:
R1a-Z280 is associated with the Baltic-speaking people and its descendant subclade CTS3402 is mainly found in the Dinaric Alps spanning from Albania to Serbia, especially among the Croats. R1a-CTS3402 has high frequencies in Croatia and Southern Poland and CTS3402 may be linked to the Slavic expansion to the Balkans
The CTS3402 tribe in the Balkans are more likely to have migrated from the Baltic region or Southern Poland to the Balkans.
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