Se ve más chileno que colombiano.Quote:
Originally Posted by FalangeAngeL JONS
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Se ve más chileno que colombiano.Quote:
Originally Posted by FalangeAngeL JONS
Voy a ver si a los franceses les parece bien tu propuesta, mi idea era de hacer zonas cercanas genéticamente, no simplemente por zonas geograficas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Lo de seguir ese mapa, con las referencias que hay no tiene sentido, porque Auvergne según el mapa es "cluster Francés único" y su average es tirando claramente a Ibérico.
Bueno , ya terminé las medias francesas, por si alguno tiene curiosidad:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ans-among-them
Target: Gixajo_Parents_AverageQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.6473% / 0.01647267
50.0 gixajo_dad_scaled
50.0 gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01647267 Gixajo_Parents_Average
Distance to: Gixajo_Parents_Average
0.01760435 gixajo_dad_scaled
0.01760435 gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.02410583 gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02411292 gixajo_dad_scaled
Impresionante el resultado del modelo de Ancient Components de Celti.:eek:
https://i.imgur.com/IeKEAd8.png
Habrá que meter mano a las referencias Italianas.
Una media de varios samples que representen al Sur y al Norte?
Cuáles serían los más representativos de cada para hacer una media que discrimine estas dos zonas?
De los Sicilianos la acabo de hacer, igual a Rocinante le sirve, sabiendo que tiene cierta relación con Michael Corleone.Code:Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1269696,0.1460839,0.0392582,0.0047481,0.036976,-0.0015478,0.0024088,0.0028038,0.0102262,0.0219594,-0.004766,0.0049306,-0.0147248,-0.010356,0.0074986,0.0062582,0.0051892,-0.000285,0.003375,-0.0005378,0.0029261,0.0019476,-0.0009181,0.0081396,-5.98e-05
Italian_Apulia,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italian_Basilicata,0.1092701,0.1466877,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0.0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italian_Calabria,0.1028203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Italian_Campania,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Italian_Jew,0.0949283,0.1456271,-0.0186674,-0.0564927,0.0112941,-0.0245423,-0.003995,-0.002792,0.0128851,0.0191349,0.0045143,0.00021,0.0021557,-0.0028762,-0.0066097,-0.0012331,-0.0011995,-0.0010515,-0.0011187,-0.0035893,-0.0039059,-0.0015456,-0.000123,0.0023617,0.0028741
Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0.001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.027153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Italian_Lombardy,0.1245224,0.147861,0.0279822,-0.0137598,0.0327446,-0.007753,0.000658,0,0.0103898,0.0299232,-0.0025008,0.008932,-0.0143606,-0.0047066,-0.0008686,-0.0078758,-0.0083448,0.0017738,0.0034442,-0.004102,-0.002246,0.0012366,-0.0006656,0.0030602,0.0008382
Italian_Marche,0.1176646,0.1482038,0.0086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Italian_Molise,0.112685,0.146744,0.00132,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524,0.035611,0.0017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725,0.0020439,0.0068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Italian_Piedmont,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Italian_Tuscany,0.1186036,0.1487413,0.0136014,-0.0204997,0.0261587,-0.0090546,-0.00047,-0.0013845,0.0074991,0.0238972,-0.0002273,0.0054552,-0.0118631,-0.0045965,-0.0023797,-0.0002917,0.0040332,0.0004815,0.0038463,-0.0023929,-0.0012063,0.0024647,-0.0010436,0.00388,-0.0015885
Italian_Umbria,0.1171113,0.1474776,0.0077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0.0303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479
Sicilian_Average,=Sicilian_East,+Sicilian_WestCode:Sicilian_Average,0.10168200,0.14606700,-0.00383415,-0.03832935,0.01861865,-0.01259680,-0.00129250,0.00030765,0.01046465,0.02180770,0.00535865,0.00349700,-0.00418735,0.00250000,-0.00409415,-0.00483950,-0.00236850,-0.00059115,0.00180165,-0.00500250,0.00039535,0.00175180,-0.00254700,-0.00060250,0.00031915
Target: Sicilian_Average
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
50.0 Sicilian_East
50.0 Sicilian_West
Pongo aquí el enlace del hilo que he abierto para eso:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...40#post6788840
Pues ya está, creo...
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...verages-groups
Sóis libres de opinar siempre que vuestras opiniones me gusten, si no me gusta lo que decís, restringiré vuestra libertad de expresión y os acusaré de cualquier cosa que se me ocurra y que pueda dejaros mal delante de los demás.
Hola. Aqui os dejo estas fotos mas fieles a mi persona, ya he adquirido 23andme a la espera de que me llegue el material para poder enviar las muestras y que me den los resultados de mi genética.
Hechadle porcentajes a mis rasgos, para luego cuando publique las pruebas ver cuanto os habéis aproximado (ej: 60% Amerindio, 30% ibérico...). Un saludo a todos.
https://imgur.com/a/kirLlKe
Pues igual tienes más suerte que yo, pero envié mis muestras de saliva de 23andme hace un mes y todavía no han llegado allá.Quote:
Originally Posted by FalangeAngeL JONS
Tardaron dos días en llegar a Holanda, el 13 de Junio estaban ahí, pero a partir de ahí, vete a saber donde están.
Yo diría 66 % Ibérico 12% Sur de Italia&Grecia 10% Amerindio 7%Medio Oriente&Norte de África y 5% SSA.
¿Sería una buena forma de hacer referencias del norte y sur de Portugal hacer algo así?
Norte de Portugal= Portugal+Galicia
Sur de Portugal=Portugal+Andalucia
Para hacer más referencias portuguesas, que solo hay una.
40% iberico, 8% norte de europa, 16% italiano, 8% SSA, 10% norte de africa, 18% amerindioQuote:
Originally Posted by FalangeAngeL JONS
No lo veoQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Purké?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Gedmatch no tiene online para el G25 no?
Gedmatch no tiene G25, pero en vahaduo si haces tus coordenadas con el calculador de gedmatch adecuado(k13, k15, hay unos cuantos), te puede dar unas cuantas estimaciones.Quote:
Originally Posted by gold_fenix
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/
las coordenadas de cada calculador para meter en vahaduo se hacen con tu nombre después una coma y después los porcentajes (notación decimal americana con enteros y decimales separados con un punto) en orden separados por comas también.
metes eso en "target" y luego vas a single, y le das al boton con tu nombre y el resultado por defecto es sin distancias, luego puedes jugar con el ADD DIST COL: y poner 0.25X 0.5x etc, así como ir a "distances" y ver la distancia con cada referencia de "sources".
Si tienes dudas pregunta.
Vale 12 USD sacarlo, yo te lo recomiendo la verdad. Por cierto, que me da curiosidad y persona el atrevimiento, que haplogrupo y que clado te dio el 23andme? Estoy haciendo un estimacion de clados del DF27 en Iberia y ver donde son mas comunes. Gracias.Quote:
Originally Posted by gold_fenix
Ruderico might have a few more samples. Me and Luso are from the south (Alentejo and Algarve). PT Tagus is South and Central and Brás is Central.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
In theory you could make an average of me and Luso for southern Portugal. :p
El paterno me daba el F, se acabo actualizando a H-P96, el materno es el VQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Pues purke noQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Or an average between you and Luso with Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
We could check in individual averages datasheet which Portuguese individual samples are more south shifted, and include Luso and you among them and make another average.
Same for Northern shifted Portugal individual averages including more Portuguese members who are more Northern Shifted...
Me has convencido!!!:icon_rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
Pues entonces eres un caso especial tio, madre mia que suerte pillar algo asi la verdad. A ver que te da el predictor del YSEQ:Quote:
Originally Posted by gold_fenix
https://cladefinder.yseq.net/
Ese predictor es lo mejor que hay ahora, dinos a ver que te sale.
That guy xavier from the other forum is from the north and he has more samples of his family members. I'm sure Ruderico has those samples because he is always making charts.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
As for the samples they are all very similar so it will be difficult to split them into an hypothetical north and south:
https://i.imgur.com/152VYDk.png
We can use for it the same base that model type "are you closer to A or B", comparing them with 2 distant populations, one North and another one South, for example irish for North and Moroccans for South, and just catch the samples that are not extremelly close, for not to choose outlier-like individuals, for being extremelly Northern or extremelly Southern shifted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
Or comparing them with Galicians or Canarians, to choose closer references , or any other that could work.
Ya he solicitado la descarga pero me tienen que avisar cuando estará disponibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Edit: Acabo de encontrar el fichero, pero es la version 3 de hace unos años
La descarga? Donde te has metido? No hay que descargar nada xDQuote:
Originally Posted by gold_fenix
Then i would say Andalucia for southerners (it's my top population).Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Ya tengo los datos del V4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Most specific position on the YFull YTree is H-P96 Link to H-P96 on YFull View theoretical migration on PhyloGeographer
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┣━H-Y21618 +1 BY44412(?) FGC55051(?) Y21618(?) Z18832(?) Z19075($) Z19080(?) Z19112(?)
┗━H-Y28140 +1 Y142011(?) Y28139/Z41278(?) Y28140/Z41279(?) Y28141(?) Y28142(?) Y28143/Z41282(?) Y28144/Z41287($) Y28145/Z41290(?) Y28146/Z41292(?) Y28147/Z41297($) Y28148/Z41298(?) Y28149/Z41302($) Y33126/BY16732(?) Y33127(?) Y33128/BY16706(?) Y33129/BY16710(?) Y33130(?) Z41277/BZ1462($) Z41280(?) Z41281(?) Z41283(?) Z41284(?) Z41285(?) Z41286(?) Z41288(?) Z41293(?) Z41294(?) Z41295(?) Z41296($) Z41300(?) Z41301(?) Z41304(?) Z15373/Z15373.1/Z15373.2($)
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H-L901 Panel Predicted H-P96 is downstream of the panel root. This panel may be applicable if it tests subclades below H-P96. Please verify and check with YSEQ customer support.
Next best prediction (scored 34 compared to 34) F
Andalusia sample of datasheet is quite Iberian average, is not specially southern shifted as expected but could work well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
North is Galicia, South is Andalucia:Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
https://i.imgur.com/2wlVKIV.png
So now we need to mark the criterium to separate them in Northern and Southern shifted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
https://i.imgur.com/lJC2Sii.png
We did the same thing...
More than 60 in any of both components Northern or southern shifted?
maybe more than 70?
I tried Canarias and didn't work, everyone favoured Galicia. I don't know how many you think would be needed to make a decent sample. Since the samples are not many, maybe everyone > 70% ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Btw, it guessed me correctly as southerner.
According to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Quote:
Southern shifted samples
ebc10
ebc12
ebc9
por9
por12
por13
por14
por15
por6
por8
por9
Northern shifted samples
ebc1
ebc11
ebc13
ebc2
ebc7
por11
por2
por3
por4
So 11 Andalusia shifted and 9 Galicia shifted.
Tomorrow is already quite late, but i will do, if we are agree that this could work well.
Yeah, just for experimentation. And thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
if you're trying to make a southern Portuguese sample I can put my G25 coordinates here. Just lmk
Don´t worry, first better do those means, and then if they work well, we can think in adding Portuguese members of the forum, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso