Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Vlachs aren't I2a1b people, as I said before their haplogroups depend on the region they are from. They learnt Latin via the Roman empire and it's influence but the fact that they don't have the R1b clade found among the Italic people suggests that they aren't the direct descendant of Romans themselves. They could easily adopt a Vlach/Latin identity for various of reasons such as an attempt to integrate into a local community if that community has a majority Vlach population or because Latin was a more appealing language such was the case for the Ostrogoths who adopted Latin when they established their kingdom and are believed to be the source of the I1-Z63 in the Balkans. Vlachs to this day speak Slavic in certain areas an example of this are certain tribes who identify as Serb today such as the Krici

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All Vlachs are predominantly I2a1b People.. go check it yourself.

Vlachs spoke Latin language in 5th century not Romance language, also they spoke Latin when modern Italians spoke Germanic languages.

Lombards, Normans and others (who live in Italy) adopted Romance language in 10th century, standardized in 12th, while Vlachs (that were encountered by Slavs) existed and spoke Latin in 5th century.

Slavs had special agreements with Vlachs in 6th century, Vlachs had their own local government and everything but were subjugated and governed by Slavs.

But you are entitled to your own opinion, I disagree with you.

Also Vlachs are Romans, Poles even today call people of Rome = Vlachs.

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

All Vlachs are predominantly I2a1b People.. go check it yourself.

Vlachs spoke Latin language in 5th century not Romance language, also they spoke Latin when modern Italians spoke Germanic languages.

Lombards, Normans and others (who live in Italy) adopted Romance language in 10th century, standardized in 12th, while Vlachs (that were encountered by Slavs) existed and spoke Latin in 5th century.

Slavs had special agreements with Vlachs in 6th century, Vlachs had their own local government and everything but were subjugated and governed by Slavs.

But you are entitled to your own opinion, I disagree with you.

Also Vlachs are Romans, Poles even today call people of Rome = Vlachs.

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No they aren't, the Vlachs of Albania and Macedonia were mainly J2b2 and R1b-BY611. If Vlachs were Roman settlers then R1b-U152 would have been a common haplogroup in them but it isn't, Vlachs aren't an ethnic group it's just a term for Latin speaking peoples in the Balkans

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

No they aren't, the Vlachs of Albania and Macedonia were mainly J2b2 and R1b-BY611. If Vlachs were Roman settlers then R1b-U152 would have been a common haplogroup in them but it isn't, Vlachs aren't an ethnic group it's just a term for Latin speaking peoples in the Balkans

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So what, J2 people are Anatolian Hellenes (mostly) and are recognized as Ionian Greeks so it is logical that they are designated as "Vlachs".
Even Greeks were designated as Vlachs by Slavs. Everyone who spoke Latin or Greek was "Vlach" to Slavs.

Only J2, I2,EV13, G2 people were Native Europeans... R1b, R1a were minority, non-existant up to 5th century A.D.

Germanic people are Majority R1b. Germanic people were who are nowdays majority in France, Italy, England, Germany were considered as completely Alien people in Europe.

You know what your problem is?

You can't believe that a Roman People and Civilization could be destroyed up to such magnitude that only Romania, Western Balkans is what is left of their civilization and people.

But it is. Modern Europe has nothing to do with Old Europe.

Celts were I2, Italy was I2, J2, G2..etc... R people were minority or tribes that were fighting Rome.

Even those timeframes you are quoting "10.000 year old, 5.000 year old" all incorrect... Noah lived 6000 years ago not 30.000 years ago.

But how can you learn about Euroepans when Europeans have been destroyed? You think that Italians, French will tell you what happened?

The last 500 years, everything has been done to erase Roman Hellenic civilization from existance... "byzantium" name, Roman historians proclaimed lunatics etc..

This is my firm belief, and you will see in 20, 30 years... that everything is a lie..... Conquerors write and invent history, not loosers.

You are free to belive as I say whatever you want... I won't.. I have my opinion and I think I am right.

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Originally Posted by Bosniensis

So what, J2 people are Anatolian Hellenes (mostly) and are recognized as Ionian Greeks so it is logical that they are designated as "Vlachs".
Even Greeks were designated as Vlachs by Slavs. Everyone who spoke Latin or Greek was "Vlach" to Slavs.

Only J2, I2,EV13, G2 people were Native Europeans... R1b, R1a were minority, non-existant up to 5th century A.D.

Germanic people are Majority R1b. Germanic people were who are nowdays majority in France, Italy, England, Germany were considered as completely Alien people in Europe.

You know what your problem is?

You can't believe that a Roman People and Civilization could be destroyed up to such magnitude that only Romania, Western Balkans is what is left of their civilization and people.

But it is. Modern Europe has nothing to do with Old Europe.

Celts were I2, Italy was I2, J2, G2..etc... R people were minority or tribes that were fighting Rome.

Even those timeframes you are quoting "10.000 year old, 5.000 year old" all incorrect... Noah lived 6000 years ago not 30.000 years ago.

But how can you learn about Euroepans when Europeans have been destroyed? You think that Italians, French will tell you what happened?

The last 500 years, everything has been done to erase Roman Hellenic civilization from existance... "byzantium" name, Roman historians proclaimed lunatics etc..

This is my firm belief, and you will see in 20, 30 years... that everything is a lie..... Conquerors write and invent history, not loosers.

You are free to belive as I say whatever you want... I won't.. I have my opinion and I think I am right.

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I know that your trolling man. Anyways the J2 that Vlachs have is in no way Hellenic, it's Illyrian/Albanian as it's J2b2. Also if R1b and R1a aren't European then I guess G, J and E aren't either.