sounds good. boa noite :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
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sounds good. boa noite :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Cuál es la diferencia genética entre un español y un portugués?
Gracias compa!Quote:
Originally Posted by gold_fenix
Te has sacado la loteria, porque no siempre se saca un H2 como haplogrupo paterno en Iberia. Mira, he investigado un poquito y gracias a un articulo en ncbi he dado con la hipotesis mas aceptada de donde viene tu H-96:
Mina3 Iberia MN La Mina 41.3 −2.3 3900–3600 M K1a1b1 H2 0.3
I0405, I0406, I0407, I0408, 3900–3600 BCE
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230
DOI: 10.1126/science.aav4040
I0405
mtDNA: K1a1b1
Y-DNA: H2
Target: Iberia_MN:I0405
Distance: 5.0807% / 0.05080731
75.4 Early_European_Farmer
22.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Iberomaurusian
Sin lugar a dudas tu haplogrupo es de los iberos, y provenientemente de los Agricultores del Neolitico.
Si solo utilizas 2 referencias estás lanzando una moneda la aire, para saber si está desplazado al norte o al sur una muestra sería mejor usar una calculadora antigua.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Done.
Southern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal10,+EBC_Portugal1 2,+EBC_Portugal9,+Portugal12,+Portugal13,+Portugal 14,+Portugal15,+Portugal6,+Portugal8,+Portugal9,Code:Southern_Portuguese,0.10483100,0.14471290,0.033940800,-0.00458660,0.04302320,-0.00479680,-0.00291400,0.00309200,0.02685390,0.02906680,-0.00175370,0.00768820,-0.01387000,-0.00831250,0.01319210,-0.00592670,-0.00813590,-0.00048150,-0.00607130,-0.00221360,0.00321920,-0.00096450,0.00023430,-0.00231350,0.00216750
Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.03796356,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.00180422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922
Northern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal1,+EBC_Portugal11 ,+EBC_Portugal13,+EBC_Portugal2,+EBC_Portugal7,+Po rtugal11,+Portugal2,+Portugal3,+Portugal4,
Only Portugal14 sample score differently in what is suposed that he has to score , and practically score 50/50.
(N=suposedly North, S=suposedly South):
https://i.imgur.com/dIpyTx1.png
Pues no salió tan mal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Quitamos los más promedio, de 19 solo 1 marca ambiguo, no está mal.
Las diferencias en un calculador antiguo entre individuos del mismo país , salvo casos extremos no creo que sean fáciles de catalogar como que tiran al norte o al sur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Cualde los 30 samples de EEF tira mas al norte o al sur, cual de los Hg o de los Steppe? Te vas a basar solo en la cantidad de NA o SSA? y si tiene de la India también? y si las diferencias son mínimas?
Es más difícil establecer un criterio claro de catalogación con tantas variables. Spaniard y yo ploteamos similar en cuanto a nroteños en un pca, y sin embargo nuestras proporciones de resultados de cada cosa es muy diferente.
Los componentes norteños para calcularlos es suficiente con sumar el whg y la estepa. Tu plotas al norte por esa suma, eres superior a cualquiera de aquí en whg y spaniard lo mismo en estepa.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Las diferencias en un calculador antiguo entre individuos del mismo país , salvo casos extremos no creo que sean fáciles de catalogar como que tiran al norte o al sur.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Cualde los 30 samples de EEF tira mas al norte o al sur, cual de los Hg o de los Steppe? Te vas a basar solo en la cantidad de NA o SSA? y si tiene de la India también? y si las diferencias son mínimas?
Es más difícil establecer un criterio claro de catalogación con tantas variables. Spaniard y yo ploteamos similar en cuanto a nroteños en un pca, y sin embargo nuestras proporciones de resultados de cada cosa es muy diferente.
EEF > WSH > WHG
No es tan fácil, hay samples de Hg y de estepa diferentes, y unos son más norteños que otros. Yo al menos cometería más errores y tardaría bastante más solo en clasificar los 25 individuos portugueses y volver a corregir los grupos etc, que haciendo lo que hice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Salvo que estudies en profundidad cada sample de las sources del calculador de Celtíbero, le asignes a cada sample un valor de "nordicidad" , hagas una tabla con todos los resultados multiplicando por cada porcentaje de los ciento y pico samples y los resultados de los 25 individuos, y asi cada individuo según cada porcentaje de cada resultado tenga asignado un valor de "nordicidad", mirando la suma total.
A mí me da pereza solo de pensarlo, si quieres hacerlo tú.
Andalucía abajo y Galicia arriba, un método analítico simple y funcional, tampoco somos nada más que unos amateurs pasando el tiempo, no necesitamos más precisión.
Y si funciona bien, y si no, no ha habido muertos.;)
Se tiran las medias a la basura y reciclamos los números metiéndolos por la ranura del usb del ordenador, para que no se le gasten.:p
Pues hala, adelante, si tan claro lo véis.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Bueno, estoy siendo muy tiquismiquis, teniendo un poco ojo , y vosotros lo tenéis, puede salir bien la cosa.
Además con los antecedentes que tengo de cosas que funcionan muy bien como idea y luego en la práctica son absurdas y funcionan de aquella manera, seguro que los catalogáis cualquiera de los dos mejor que yo.:D
Pero por favor, haced vosotros las medias, quiero descansar un poco.:picard1:
Es fácil saber quién es más norteño comparando unos con otros, es a la hora de establecer un baremo de "nordicidad" cuando se complica, es decir a partir de qué porcentaje se puede considerar una persona española/portuguesa norteña. He pensado en juntar todas las muestras ibéricas disponibles y si superas el promedio (WHG + STEPPE) puedes considerarte norteño.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
En mi calculador es posible discernir quién es más norteño y quién más sureño.
https://i.imgur.com/5E6GSvg.png
Tienes las de Spaniard, miralas tambien, en teoría es igual de norteño que mi madre en los pca.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Hazlo con las portuguesas ya que estamos, y así los portugueses tienen otras dos referencias para elegir, y como digo, con mi historial, serán mejores que las mías.:picard1:
A ver, el único componente que de verdad es norteño es el WSH, ya que tiene su peaking en Shetland, ya que el WHG en realidad tiene su peaking en los vascos, seria más que todo un componente distribuido por Europa pero que va desapareciendo mientras más al sureste te vayas.
Soy una genetica extraña jejeje aunque yo creo que mis ancestros son bastante antiguos en la peninsula en realidad, para mi ancestros me sale bastante orientado a los vascos, cuando publicaba alguna foto mía por el foro había varios extranjeros que decían que no lucia español o el era el que menos lucia de iberico de los foreros peninsulares en el sentido que mis rasgos no eran del sur de Europa, creo que les resultaba extraño esa combinacion de pelo super oscuro y piel muy clara con complexión robusta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
A ver, tenéis de referencia lo que posteé yo, según eso solo hay un sample dudoso, que mire su método y se oriente con lo que hice yo, salvo que vea muchas incongruencias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Dos métodos a la vez, mejor que uno, y ahora estamos tres para opinar, mejor que uno solo, aunque la decisión de tomar Galicia y Andalucía como referencias norte y sur fue consensuada con Damiao.
Ahora que lo pienso, si solo separamos los individuos en "Galicia shifted" y "Andalucia shifted", no exactamente en norteños en plan toda Europa, solo norteños localmente, así que no sirve todo eso, ya en teoría, los gallegos tienen mucho componente NA y levantino, no?
Edit:aunque compensado con otros componentes más norteños.
No sé cuánto componente escandinavo cazador recolector tendremos los españoles (risas) pero el WHG nos sirve a los españoles para saber nuestro grado de similitud con los europeos del norte, como se ve aquí e imagino que el cálculo se las arreglará para sumar el WSH en estepa o bien en WHG:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
https://i.imgur.com/ZAQE3p2.png
Es por eso que no es fiable y si tuviese que medir la "nordicidad" con samples españoles elegiría a los catalanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Si, por eso tienen un poquito más de germánico traído por los galos, en realidad ese extra germano es traído principalmente por los franceses a la peninsula ibérica el resto es ascendencia compartida esteparia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
Target: Gil_VicenteQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Distance: 2.2331% / 0.02233145
100.0 Southern_Portuguese
https://i.imgur.com/rdz46BH.jpg
Not sure how they would be in reality. Slightly higher steppe in the north should be expected. I would also expect higher african in the south going by this:
Spoiler!
Don't know what to make of the WHG or EEF.
Using the latest averages:
Distance to: Gil_Vicente
0.02233145 Southern_Portuguese
0.02256008 Spanish_Andalucia
0.02488614 Spanish_Extremadura
0.02507821 Spanish_Galicia
0.02589305 Spanish_Alacant
0.02627439 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.02845471 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02973615 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03028934 Spanish_Valencia
0.03034411 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03062782 Spanish_Murcia
0.03140340 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03148799 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03172354 Spanish_Asturias
0.03199310 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03214734 Spanish_Baleares
0.03237051 Spanish_Menorca
0.03258607 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03268666 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03279146 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03296248 Spanish_Penedes
0.03353749 Northern_Portuguese
0.03384714 Spanish_Aragon
0.03456525 Spanish_Girona
0.03470729 Spanish_Pirineu
Here Northern_Portuguese came out too far, should be nearer Galicia. Given how close they are, don't really know why they are so far apart from me.
Could you share the sources so i could make experiments?Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
No hay diferencias conocidas entre el norte y sur de Portugal, la diferencia parece ser personal y no regional
https://i.postimg.cc/0v3Ff4Jq/k7admix.png
..pero si las hay, has trocado el norte y sur
https://i.postimg.cc/W4vs79RM/nortesul.png
PS: Y yo no usaría scaling para muestras modernas/submodernas
À falta de melhor estamos a especular. Parece lógico considerar que as samples do norte estariam mais perto da Galiza e as samples do sul mais perto da Andaluzia, mas pode não ser assim. É possível ver como o xavierlima ficava nesta experiência? Ou outras samples do norte que possas ter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruderico
Sí, en general sóis bastante homogéneos, al menos lo son esos 25 samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruderico
Edit:A ver que mire, les cambié el nombre varias veces...
https://i.imgur.com/lJC2Sii.png
No, no están cambiadas, las Northern son las que más puntúan en Galician
Creo que está bien.Quote:
Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.037963 56,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.0018 0422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922
North_Portugal,=EBC_Portugal1,+EBC_Portugal11,+EBC _Portugal13,+EBC_Portugal2,+EBC_Portugal7,+Portuga l11,+Portugal2,+Portugal3,+Portugal4,
Y las Southern las que más en Andalucía.
Southern_Portuguese,=EBC_Portugal10,+EBC_Portugal1 2,+EBC_Portugal9,+Portugal12,+Portugal13,+Portugal 14,+Portugal15,+Portugal6,+Portugal8,+Portugal9,
Target: South_Portugal
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
10.0 EBC_Portugal10
10.0 EBC_Portugal12
10.0 EBC_Portugal9
10.0 Portugal12
10.0 Portugal13
10.0 Portugal14
10.0 Portugal15
10.0 Portugal6
10.0 Portugal8
10.0 Portugal9
Ahí están las referencias individuales del datasheet de samples individuales.
Não é nem deixa de ser, não há nenhum indício que sugira diferenças entre o norte e o sul aqui em Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
O que vês ali no máximo é um litoral vs interior, com correlação semelhante em Espanha, daí que à medida que te afastes da costa ocidental uma das componentes aumente e a outra baixe - de um lado tens a Galiza e a Extremadura, do outro Astúrias e a Andaluzia que estão mais próximas à maioria das referências do centro de Espanha.
https://i.imgur.com/0YC791V.png
O Xavier também fica 100% Sul, apesar de ser nortenho de gema, mas totalmente do litoral.
A ver, no sabemos de donde son las muestras y solo hay 25 individuos, no he separado muestras de individuos del sur y del norte de Portugal, solo he separado individuos que en teoría se acercarían más a galicia, según su genética, o a Andalucía.
Y ahora que lo pienso, no miramos también las distancias , para haber quitado a las demasiado distantes aunque puntuaran alto en uno u otro.:picard1:
En todo caso, según lo que hicimos ayer, estos serían los samples:
y estas son las medias entre las que empiezan por S y por N que tengo en el documento de tezto donde lo guardé todo:Code:NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal1,0.105855,0.145221,0.041106,-0.001938,0.036314,-0.000558,-0.005405,-0.005538,0.026997,0.030251,-0.001624,0.013488,-0.013379,-0.013212,0.015065,0.001989,0.001956,0.00038,-0.008422,-0.001251,-0.001747,-0.001731,-0.002095,-0.00253,0.001557
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal10,0.105855,0.144205,0.039221,-0.007106,0.041546,-0.001673,-0.00094,0.009461,0.032315,0.034443,0.002273,0.006744,-0.007879,-0.007707,0.009229,-0.006629,-0.014473,-0.00266,-0.007919,5e-04,-0.000125,0.001237,0.003328,-0.001205,0.002874
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal11,0.104717,0.141159,0.035072,-0.001938,0.038161,-0.001116,-0.004465,0.004846,0.03027,0.027518,0.005846,0.007194,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.011672,0.001193,0.00339,-0.003674,-0.005531,5e-04,-0.001123,-0.002473,-0.000739,-0.009399,0.00455
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal12,0.102441,0.146236,0.038466,-0.001615,0.039084,-0.001952,-0.002585,0.006692,0.023725,0.028976,-0.000974,0.004646,-0.009812,-0.004542,0.010586,-0.008751,-0.015125,0.00076,-0.005531,-0.001751,0.004367,-0.001237,0.003081,-0.005543,0.003233
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal13,0.104717,0.147252,0.03017,-0.002261,0.043085,0.001116,-0.00846,-0.002308,0.023725,0.034807,0.004709,0.002847,-0.015907,-0.014313,0.009636,0.001591,-0.001956,0.000887,-0.007668,-0.000375,0.005241,-0.007048,0.00419,-0.001084,0.000599
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal2,0.09675,0.142174,0.029038,-0.009044,0.0397,-0.010319,-0.00047,-0.001385,0.019225,0.026606,-0.00065,0.003447,-0.007284,-0.017203,0.006786,0.014452,0.024643,-0.002154,-0.005154,0.005628,0.002121,-0.006306,-0.001479,0.007832,-0.003592
NPortuguese:EBC_Portugal7,0.104717,0.147252,0.039598,-0.010336,0.035699,-0.004741,-0.004465,0.003461,0.022907,0.02442,0,0.005395,-0.009663,-0.016928,0.003664,0.004773,-0.00013,0.001647,-0.002011,-0.005378,0.001996,-0.003586,0.001356,0.00241,0.000479
SPortuguese:EBC_Portugal9,0.104717,0.144205,0.035449,0.001938,0.0437,-0.001673,0.000705,-0.002077,0.029451,0.032074,-0.003735,0.004046,-0.014123,-0.003991,0.0095,-0.009546,-0.011474,-0.006841,-0.004022,-0.005628,-0.000499,-0.005688,-0.004437,-0.006145,-0.002994
NPortuguese:Portugal11,0.112685,0.139128,0.045632,-0.000969,0.0397,0.00251,-0.00423,0.002769,0.036814,0.028976,0.001624,0.01094,-0.013974,-0.01445,0.012486,0.009016,0.014081,-0.005194,-0.008673,0.004877,-0.00025,-0.002226,0.001849,0.003494,-0.00467
SPortuguese:Portugal12,0.100164,0.147252,0.035826,-0.008075,0.045239,-0.008925,-0.000705,-0.002077,0.023111,0.024055,0.007145,0.01154,-0.014271,0.000275,0.010858,-0.008353,0.006389,0.004054,-0.004525,0.002501,-0.001872,-0.001237,0.001972,-0.002048,0.007305
SPortuguese:Portugal13,0.106994,0.147252,0.026021,-0.007106,0.041546,-0.001952,0.003995,-0.002077,0.028429,0.030069,0.000812,0.006744,-0.017988,-0.012799,0.020494,-0.002784,0.000913,-0.010008,-0.006034,-0.005503,0.000749,-0.002597,0.005053,-0.004097,0.004071
SPortuguese:Portugal14,0.108132,0.142174,0.034695,-0.007429,0.050163,-0.014502,-0.00564,0.008307,0.02352,0.030798,-0.00341,0.008093,-0.012785,-0.020781,0.014658,0.013524,-0.007562,0.006714,-0.013073,-0.002876,-0.000624,0.000495,0.00037,-0.003012,0.006347
SPortuguese:Portugal15,0.106994,0.137096,0.02489,-0.006137,0.039084,-0.008367,-0.002585,0.000692,0.028838,0.03098,0.00065,0.012889,-0.021407,-0.014726,0.019815,-0.003713,-0.009648,-0.000887,-0.003897,0.003752,0.002371,0.001855,-0.006655,0.000241,0.004311
NPortuguese:Portugal2,0.114961,0.142174,0.04186,-0.000969,0.045855,0.001673,-0.008695,-0.000692,0.026588,0.027335,0,0.005845,-0.01115,-0.016515,0.011401,0.010077,0.00326,-0.00114,-0.004902,0.001501,-0.004492,-0.005688,0.006532,0.001205,-0.001197
NPortuguese:Portugal3,0.103579,0.147252,0.048649,0.006137,0.044316,-0.006414,-0.006345,0.004615,0.02577,0.02442,0.006333,0.009142,-0.015015,-0.023121,0.015472,-0.00358,-0.001956,-0.003294,-0.00352,0.003877,-0.006988,-0.005193,0.009244,-0.003133,-0.00467
NPortuguese:Portugal4,0.100164,0.144205,0.030547,-0.009044,0.050779,-0.004462,-0.011751,0.003461,0.024952,0.037358,0,0.004946,-0.012487,-0.007294,-0.002443,0.013657,0.010691,-0.009882,-0.015838,0.001626,-0.002246,-0.010634,0.00949,-0.000723,0.004431
SPortuguese:Portugal6,0.097888,0.138112,0.036204,-0.007752,0.042469,-0.007251,-0.007755,0.007846,0.02986,0.018224,-0.009094,0.006744,-0.012487,-0.006606,0.011265,-0.008221,-0.002868,0.004687,-0.003645,-0.003877,0.005615,-0.004451,0.003328,0.006627,0.000838
SSPortuguese:Portugal8,0.104717,0.147252,0.033941,0.003876,0.048932,-0.002789,-0.005405,0.005538,0.027815,0.028793,-0.001461,0.005395,-0.016055,-0.005092,0.012351,-0.016176,-0.008475,-0.005321,-0.007668,-0.008254,0.007736,0.006059,-0.00419,0.001325,-0.003592
SPortuguese:Portugal9,0.110408,0.153345,0.034695,-0.00646,0.038469,0.001116,-0.008225,-0.001385,0.021475,0.032256,-0.009743,0.010041,-0.011893,-0.007156,0.013165,-0.008618,-0.019036,0.004687,-0.004399,-0.001,0.014474,-0.004081,0.000493,-0.009278,-0.000718
Y he vuelto a hacer lo que hice esta mañana y sale lo mismo:Code:Northern_Portuguese,0.10534944,0.14397967,0.03796356,-0.00337356,0.04151213,-0.00247900,-0.00603178,0.00102544,0.02636089,0.02907678,0.00180422,0.00702711,-0.01192589,-0.01503156,0.00930433,0.00590756,0.00599767,-0.00249156,-0.00685767,0.00122278,-0.00083200,-0.00498722,0.00314978,-0.00021422,-0.00027922
Southern_Portuguese,0.10483100,0.14471290,0.033940800,-0.00458660,0.04302320,-0.00479680,-0.00291400,0.00309200,0.02685390,0.02906680,-0.00175370,0.00768820,-0.01387000,-0.00831250,0.01319210,-0.00592670,-0.00813590,-0.00048150,-0.00607130,-0.00221360,0.00321920,-0.00096450,0.00023430,-0.00231350,0.00216750
https://i.imgur.com/MvA6r3z.png
Me estáis liando entre todos, ya he posteado dos veces todo, y encima no paro desde que estaba hablando antes con defcon2, de tener timeout error seguidos de database errors en cadena, y me estoy empezando a desesperar con no poder responder cosas inmediatamente.:mad:
Ya volveré luego, comprobad lo que os dé la gana, he posteado todo.A ver si luego me va todo mejor.;)
de teXXXXXXXto!!!:picard1:
Dios, y ahora me funciona bien...
No puedo con mi vida.
hasta luego!!!
Tómate la vida con más calma hombre, está para disfrutarla. Jaja.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Al parecer es un patron comun que el mas vasco, o mientras mas cerca se este del pueblo vasco, el cabello sera mas oscuro debido a no tener tanta sangra indo-europea en comparacion al resto de los peninsulares, sobretodo a los gallegos y pueblos catalanes, aunque no necesariamente esto es algo muy certero la verdad. Lo cierto tio es que tienes un haplogrupo muy interesante y mi contenta que gente de la peninsula no me vengan con un R1b, hay que pensar que darle importancia a los haplogrupos paternos iberos tambien, el tuyo es uno sin lugar a dudas, un ibero que vio llegar a esos pueblos indo-europeos.Quote:
Originally Posted by gold_fenix
A ver, yo la verdad es que les perdi el hilo hace tiempo (ya Juan ni me mete en los graficos el malvado...) y no hablaba de las muestras que estabas haciendo, que estan chulas por cierto.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Que modelo estas usando? Estan sacando un elevado WHG+STEPPE, deberiamos estar los average por el 39~41, ya menos o mas de eso es raro, pero aparte de eso, echemos un vistazo a los peaking en WHG y WSH desde mi ultimo modelo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
WHG:
Valor, Poblacion, Distancia
18 Basque_Spanish 0.04918058
17.6 Basque_French 0.04960020
16 Spanish_Pais_Vasco 0.05169170
15.2 French_South 0.03949679
14.8 Spanish_La_Rioja 0.02962532
14.6 Icelandic 0.05001905
13.8 Spanish_Soria 0.03857036
13.4 Orcadian 0.04659788
13 English 0.04751781
13 Welsh 0.04526161
13 English_Cornwall 0.05021529
13 French_Pas-de-Calais 0.03580229
WSH:
Valor, Poblacion, Distancia
51.6 Shetlandic 0.05162067
51.4 Icelandic 0.05001905
50.6 Irish 0.04957547
50 Dutch 0.04526739
49.8 Scottish 0.04777770
49.4 Orcadian 0.04659788
49 Danish 0.05215659
Sin lugar a dudas el componente norteño es el indo-europeo, ya que este hace peakings es en el Norte de Europa, las siguientes 20 poblaciones siguientes del WSH son del Norte de Europa, incluso los Tajiks y Tataros estan por encima de cualquiera del Sur, confirmando que este componente es unicamente europeo y no importa si esto lo hay regado por el mundo, al final que el Farmer.
A diferencia del WHG, las poblaciones van apareciendo desde lo mas punta de Occidente de Europa, comenzando por los vascos, hacia el Sureste donde literal este componente no existe o esta extinto, ya veo el porque yo tengo menos WHG que el promedio peninsular, es por eso porque mi lado italiano o tenia muy poco o sencillamente no tenia. Por lo tanto, si es un componente mas norteño que sureño, eso seguro, pero seria mas correcto decir que es un componente totalmente occidental, valido decir tambien que es un componente noroccidental.
Destacar una cosa, en los modelos, cuando salga de los españoles y se vayan mas al Este, usen el EHG y el SHG, ya que el WHG en el este en realidad se consigue a raja tabla.
Es que son 2 cosas diferentes, WHG son los cazadores-recolectores y WSH (Western Steppe Herder) son los esteparios o indo-europeos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
It correctly predicted me as Southern Portuguese
Attachment 100661
These samples got it correct that I am southern Portuguese:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/at...2&d=1594486464
Eu já vi pessoas da mesma zona terem resultados bastante diferentes (o K7 do outro post mostra o mesmo), a variação em Portugal é mais pessoal que norte/sul. As amostras EBC são de um estudo sobre a Sardenha ou Córsega e foram doadas pela Faculdade de Medicina da Universidade do Porto, provavelmente são todas do Norte. Mas o exercício parte de uma premissa que não é verdadeira (norte != sul), logo o resultado não tem significado estatisticamente.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Es fácil decir eso cuando uno no sufre de ataques de catabase error y time out error creados en el infierno, y es incapaz de responder a nada de lo que decías hasta horas después.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Amigo, te acabas de quedar calvo detrás de las orejas con esa bonita frase, te puedo asegurar que pensé que me darían un premio por esta gran idea, que amablemente hubiera compartido con tu paisano.:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruderico
A ver, valor estadístico tienen, aunque sea solo como ejercicio técnico y como prueba de originalidad, otra cosa es que tenga el valor de separar los habitantes del Norte y del Sur de Portugal.:)
Aunque partimos de una base bastante poco representativa de Portugal, que es una muestra de 25 refrencias, y encima al parecer, con casi la mitad de ellas que forma parte de otro estudio paralelo.
De todas formas me hace gracia, que nadie ha hecho absolutamente nada con estas coordenadas, y para cuando alguien intenta ayudar haciendo algo con ellas, lo único que ha recibido es una colaboración , a priori, y todo lo demás, críticas, a posteriori.
Esto es algo, como siempre improvisado, y parte de una premisa, que no sabemos si es cierta o falsa, más bien de que sea falsa.
Y que si fuera falsa, no creo que sea tan descabellada.
De todas formas, ahí queda eso, son muestras portuguesas, son vuestras, guardadlas por si acaso. :thumb001:
Es uno básico para españoles pero se le puede añadir un par de cosas pero no demasiada morralla para no comerse porcentaje.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
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Cuando eso me pasa muy seguido cojo el móvil y puedo seguir navegando por el foro.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo