Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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12-20-2019, 03:11 AM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

Okay. Can you post some quotes on people from the Dinarics speaking Romance (from that time period)? I haven't really heard of such people and info isn't easy to find on them.

There are no many sources to tell the truth. Classic historians consider in medieval only eastern and southern Balkans had strong Romanophone Vlach presence (especially Epirus and Thessaly - called Great Wallachia), who later migrated north and west, and this was intensified by Ottoman conquest. Theory goes to say how those Vlachs became Slavophone in Serbia and Bosnia, and admixed with local south Slavs, by the time they arrived to Croatia they were already not very different from autochtonous populations.
12-20-2019, 03:20 AM
Peterski

Top 1st most similar populations for each of 100 Armenians from the large group, using K15:

Distance to: sample1.txt
8.87403516 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample2.txt
6.10656204 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample3.txt
4.95624858 Turkish_East

Distance to: sample4.txt
3.74338082 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample5.txt
4.11110691 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample6.txt
7.06950493 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample7.txt
4.57803451 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample8.txt
5.04690004 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample9.txt
3.51008547 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample10.txt
9.86892598 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample11.txt
4.06535361 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample12.txt
6.81457996 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample13.txt
5.43629469 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample14.txt
6.55656922 Greek_Trabzon

Distance to: sample15.txt
5.00907177 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample16.txt
3.58895528 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample17.txt
6.95898700 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample18.txt
6.64066262 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample19.txt
5.92984823 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample20.txt
5.85975255 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample21.txt
7.12361565 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample22.txt
4.80038540 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample23.txt
3.85626763 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample24.txt
5.38109654 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample25.txt
2.51207086 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample26.txt
6.45655481 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample27.txt
5.83566620 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample28.txt
5.59656144 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample29.txt
3.71295031 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample30.txt
6.32765359 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample31.txt
5.65756131 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample32.txt
6.89790548 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample33.txt
3.59208853 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample34.txt
5.41176496 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample35.txt
5.15875954 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample36.txt
6.37491961 Turkish_East

Distance to: sample37.txt
6.35547795 Kurd

Distance to: sample38.txt
5.97380113 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample39.txt
5.48276390 Assyrian

Distance to: sample40.txt
6.95292744 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample41.txt
3.90216607 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample42.txt
3.78132252 Assyrian

Distance to: sample43.txt
6.18134290 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample44.txt
4.58287028 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample45.txt
7.58965085 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample46.txt
5.35621135 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample47.txt
5.17185653 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample48.txt
7.52133632 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample49.txt
3.91485632 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample50.txt
4.08547427 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample51.txt
5.12271412 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample52.txt
4.95947578 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample53.txt
5.61977758 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample54.txt
6.18624280 Assyrian

Distance to: sample55.txt
5.02350475 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample56.txt
7.04736830 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample57.txt
5.07882861 Assyrian

Distance to: sample58.txt
2.94930500 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample59.txt
5.96446980 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample60.txt
5.08377812 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample61.txt
4.24517373 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample62.txt
5.40690300 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample63.txt
6.32667369 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample64.txt
6.02342926 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample65.txt
6.09840963 Turkish_East

Distance to: sample66.txt
2.83015901 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample67.txt
5.17723865 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample68.txt
5.32683771 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample69.txt
4.00966333 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample70.txt
4.85926949 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample71.txt
4.16209082 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample72.txt
5.70936073 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample73.txt
5.59002683 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample74.txt
3.88197115 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample75.txt
9.44941268 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample76.txt
2.67121695 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample77.txt
6.35033070 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample78.txt
3.24830725 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample79.txt
7.13454974 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample80.txt
3.87739603 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample81.txt
6.12714452 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample82.txt
6.99629902 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample83.txt
4.13213020 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample84.txt
5.44724701 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample85.txt
5.10766091 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample86.txt
4.61416298 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample87.txt
4.41180235 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample88.txt
4.97569091 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample89.txt
4.05907625 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample90.txt
8.25000606 Turkish_Anatolia

Distance to: sample91.txt
6.45159670 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample92.txt
4.07378203 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample93.txt
4.34903438 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample94.txt
7.33270073 Georgian_Jew

Distance to: sample95.txt
6.77059820 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample96.txt
5.05574920 Armenian_East

Distance to: sample97.txt
5.65299036 Turkish_East

Distance to: sample98.txt
7.10558231 Armenian_West

Distance to: sample99.txt
12.53196712 Azeri_Dagestan
12-20-2019, 03:32 AM
FinalFlash

[QUOTE=Peterski;6406921]Armenia35avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

https://i.imgur.com/PYRMwcS.png

Looks fairly similar to my Armenian_East average. Which region were these 35 kits from?
12-20-2019, 04:06 AM
Peterski

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalFlash

Looks fairly similar to my Armenian_East average. Which region were these 35 kits from?

I'm not sure, there is no regional label. But look, one of them even resembles Moldavians. :) Obviously mixed with Russians.

I think the 100 samples group is much better, and I have regional origins information for each of these 100 samples. Tomorrow I will split them and calculate regional averages.

All of them are from towns in present-day Armenia, but maybe some of these towns are populated by descendants of West Armenians?

PS:

Judging by high similarity to Turkish Trabzon, the sample of 35 Armenians is probably from somewhere close to the Black Sea (or at least a large part of this sample is from there)?

And the Southwest Armenian sample is from areas close to the Mediterranean Sea.
12-20-2019, 04:12 AM
Carpatz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

There are no many sources to tell the truth. Classic historians consider in medieval only eastern and southern Balkans had strong Romanophone Vlach presence (especially Epirus and Thessaly - called Great Wallachia), who later migrated north and west, and this was intensified by Ottoman conquest. Theory goes to say how those Vlachs became Slavophone in Serbia and Bosnia, and admixed with local south Slavs, by the time they arrived to Croatia they were already not very different from autochtonous populations.

Whatever Romance speaking populations that inhabited the territories; of modern Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia are either native there, or immigrated from what is now Romania. Aromanians from Greece have nothing to do with your "Vlachs".
12-20-2019, 04:15 AM
FinalFlash

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peterski

I'm not sure, there is no regional label. But look, one of them even resembles Moldavians. :) Obviously mixed with Russians.

I think the 100 samples group is much better, and I have regional origins information for each of these 100 samples. Tomorrow I will split them and calculate regional averages.

All of them are from towns in present-day Armenia, but maybe some of these towns are populated by descendants of West Armenians?

PS:

Judging by high similarity to Turkish Trabzon, the sample of 35 Armenians is probably from somewhere close to the Black Sea (or at least a large part of this sample is from there)?

And the Southwest Armenian sample is from areas close to the Mediterranean Sea.

Some towns in present-day Armenia does have a Western presence. I don't think that many Armenians are from close to the Black Sea. Armenians from Armenia generally show high similarity to Black Sea Turks and Pontics.
12-20-2019, 04:19 AM
FinalFlash

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

Probably a mix of East Armenians (native to modern day Armenia) and West Armenian migrants. It's pretty interesting it gets West Armenians as it's top population. East Armenians may have a decent amount of diversity. I didn't expect them to have any notable amount given the size of their country.

Also, this should be the new Armenian average on K15.

Nothing surprising here. Historic Armenia was bigger than what you currently see.
12-20-2019, 04:20 AM
harutsafaryan07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

Which country is the Nusayri from? Syria?

From Turkey

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12-20-2019, 04:37 AM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalFlash

Nothing surprising here. Historic Armenia was bigger than what you currently see.

Yes. But if 50%+ of the samples are of Armenians native to modern Armenia (my assumption), then you'd expect them to get East Armenian as their top population.

So this means either one of two things:
1. Most of the samples (50%+) are of people descended from West Armenian migrants.
2. There are a LOT of East Armenians that score West Armenian as their top population.

Based on the few results I've seen of them, they're not that difficult to distinguish, so that's why I found the Armenians from Armenia getting West Armenian first pretty interesting. Maybe 1/2 of East Armenians are genetically West Armenian-like and the ones that can be distinguished are mainly from the northern part of the country.
12-20-2019, 04:53 AM
FinalFlash

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

Yes. But if 50%+ of the samples are of Armenians native to modern Armenia (my assumption), then you'd expect them to get East Armenian as their top population.

So this means either one of two things:
1. Most of the samples (50%+) are of people descended from West Armenian migrants.
2. There are a LOT of East Armenians that score West Armenian as their top population.

Based on the few results I've seen of them, they're not that difficult to distinguish, so that's why I found the Armenians from Armenia getting West Armenian first pretty interesting. Maybe 1/2 of East Armenians are genetically West Armenian-like and the ones that can be distinguished are mainly from the northern part of the country.

No, I counted roughly 30 out of 100 that get Armenian-West as their top matches. Even then, they are probably very close to Armenian_East. The rest get either Armenian-East or Greek_Trabzon, Turk Trabzon/East. The latter are quite close to Eastern Armenians genetically.

Some Armenians from Armenia do have Western background but that number is a lot lower than 50%. As a matter of fact, the significant bulk of westerners emmigrated just prior to the collapse of the USSR.

38 of those 100 samples on Peterski's last post here are of Armenians from Lebanon too.

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