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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

For example, both of these averages are from same state (NRW), but genetically they are clearly different.

Distance to: German_North_Rhine

2.68694994 French_Northeast
2.95240580 Belgian
3.22003106 German_South_Hesse
3.41274083 Flemish
3.46075136 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.53605713 Pennsylvania_Dutch
3.62082863 French_Alsace
3.66415065 Austrian_Upper_Austria
3.75864337 German_Saarland
3.76350900 German_Lower/Middle_Franconia

Distance to: German_Westphalia

0.84338603 German_Lower_Saxony_South
2.21752114 Dutch
2.31177421 Dutch_Central
2.69479127 Dutch_North
2.87456084 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.12795460 German_Schleswig-Holstein
3.30146937 English_North
3.46209474 Icelandic
3.53141615 English_Midlands
3.57891045 English

States which are genetically uniform like Baden-Württemberg have only one average. I think we are now clear about that.

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As for North Rhine and Westphalia there was also a tribal division as Westphalians are Saxons and people from the North Rhine are Franks.

As for Baden-Württemberg it was a little surprise for me to see that there was no significant genetic difference even between North Baden and Upper Swabia, which are at the opposite ends of Baden-Württemberg. It was a bit of a pity to merge three regions with valuable separate data, but it was all the same so it seemed questionable to present them as three regions. On the other hand, now, with just one average for Baden-Württemberg, the data seem more coarse grained than it is.

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Originally Posted by rothaer

As for North Rhine and Westphalia there was also a tribal division as Westphalians are Saxons and people from the North Rhine are Franks.

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Glad to hear it put in those terms. I love the thought that the clear genetic divide that still exists between Germanic speakers in West Germany/Benelux/England/Northern France is a Saxon/Frankish tribal divide.

Good job Rothaer & Stearsolina!

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Originally Posted by Creoda

Glad to hear it put in those terms. I love the thought that the clear genetic divide that still exists between Germanic speakers in West Germany/Benelux/England/Northern France is a Saxon/Frankish tribal divide.

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Not always but often a common language and even a dialect indicates that people have had a common contact for quite a while with each other. And that often implies a reproduction community and that in turn implies an equalizing of genetic differences by mixing, i. e. a genetic commonality. So I think that some degree of correlation between dialect and genetics is a plausible condition.

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Originally Posted by Tomenable

Where did I post these averages ???

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Sorry, not by you but vbnetkhio. Though you are also aware of them and have the data.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ght=Lithuanian

So the names have remained in English, not in German as promised.

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Originally Posted by Leto

So the names have remained in English, not in German as promised.

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Well, other averages have English names too including Russian ones.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Well, other averages have English names too including Russian ones.

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Yes, Russian is written in Cyrillic.
Anyway, no means no. By the way, none of those original samples were ever posted when I was posting the ones I found. I think posting German Gedmatch makes no sense anymore.

Thank You! My German-American mother's results:

Distance to: Mr.G_mother
2.07708931 Flemish
2.49387249 Belgian
2.60931025 Dutch_South
2.69273096 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
3.26081278 Afrikaner
3.80889748 German_North_Rhine
4.12498485 French_Normandy
4.61559314 English_Southeast
4.73213482 German_Lower/Middle_Franconia
4.75646928 German_North_Hesse
4.99953998 French_Northwest
5.27050282 French_Northeast
5.31379337 English_Midlands
5.38855268 German
5.38925783 Austrian_Upper_Austria
5.55585277 English
5.63426126 Dutch
5.73979094 German_North_Moravia
5.77093580 German_South_Hesse
5.84968375 French_Brittany
5.92307353 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.99088474 German_Baden-Württemberg
6.11247086 German_Westphalia
6.16031655 English_Southwest
6.19863695 French_Alsace

Target: Mr.G_mother
Distance: 0.3689% / 0.36892888 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.7 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
25.5 Flemish
13.3 German_Lower_Saxony_South
12.1 German_Thuringia_Central
5.7 Afrikaner
1.7 German_North_Moravia

Please replace Moldova South average for K13

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Moldovan_South,21.78,28.89,15.87,9.76,18.84,2.00,0.55,0.49,0.66,0.64,0.22,0.12,0.18

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Originally Posted by Leto

So the names have remained in English, not in German as promised.

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Who gives a rats, this is an English speaking forum, and more people would be familiar with the English names anyway.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

German and Austrian update is here!! :)

Please delete all German averages as well as Austrian and German general averages and replace them with these

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European PCA

https://i.imgur.com/V61YQDm.png
https://i.imgur.com/dhNmeyI.png

Averages used

Spoiler!

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Austrian,36.84,27.27,15.90,7.36,9.10,1.32,0.60,0.23,0.48,0.27,0.41,0.06,0.10
Austrian_Burgenland,38.13,26.01,13.17,6.50,12.79,0.87,0.36,0.27,0.62,0.24,0.71,0.00,0.32
Austrian_Carinthia,32.36,33.44,14.41,6.52,10.49,1.02,0.34,0.00,0.64,0.27,0.33,0.04,0.07
Austrian_Lower Austria,37.42,24.75,17.87,8.14,7.73,1.585,0.97,0.24,0.425,0.225,0.64,0,0
Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria,38.78,27.33,14.66,6.69,9.37,1.49,0.58,0.18,0.23,0.31,0.35,0.03,0.00
Austrian_Styria,34.20,31.69,15.07,7.48,8.45,0.7 9,0.31,0.33,0.77,0.19,0.16,0.21,0.36
Austrian_Tyrol,36.88,20.87,18.12,8.21,11.75,1.88,0.20,0.34,0.72,0.52,0.33,0.00,0.07
German,42.05,27.91,13.69,6.10,6.31,1.23,0.86,0.16,0.32,0.43,0.32,0.35,0.29
German_Baden-Württemberg,40.95,22.52,15.86,6.68,10.49,1.08,0.82,0.32,0.38,0.32,0.41,0.08,0.09
German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz,39.39,24.70,14.56,6.30,11.55,0.44,1.22,0.15,0.32,0.75,0.39,0.13,0.13
German_Bavaria_proper,40.02,23.94,15.40,7.03,10.46,1.26,0.35,0.29,0.25,0.58,0.36,0.04,0.00
German_Bavarian_Swabia,34.71,26.3,19.15,7.19,11.37,0,0,0,0,0.37,0.4,0,0.46
German_Brandenburg_Northwest,42.26,31.81,11.86,6.84,3.28,0.18,1.52,0.16,0.05,0.82,0.68,0.45,0.11
German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow),26.92,44.46,14.49,5.95,6.25,0,0,0.72,0,0.17,0.74,0,0.3
German_County_Glatz,35.77,31.04,14.63,8.13,7.64,0.3,0,1.02,0,0.72,0,0.72,0
German_East_Prussia_Central,46.40,36.05,9.33,1.39,2.77,2.18,0,0.12,0.19,0.31,0.99,0.18,0.09
German_East_Prussia_Masuria,33.26,44.37,9.00,4.57,3.12,0.15,2.31,0.47,0.75,0.74,0.61,0.00,0.68
German_East_Prussia_Memelland,29.91,52.02,10.63,3.88,0,0,1.83,0,0.81,0.58,0,0,0.34
German_Farther_Pomerania,40.04,36.96,9.53,5.79,3.25,1.31,1.30,0.16,0.03,0.33,0.36,0.69,0.26
German_Frisian,55.45,25.92,9.33,2.93,1.79,1.02,2.22,0,0.33,0,1,0,0
German_Hamburg,50.83,28.92,8.41,3.93,4.04,1.33,1.32,0,0.62,0.15,0,0.45,0
German_Hither_Pomerania,44.4,31.31,9.62,7.56,4.12,0.7,0.43,0.31,0.88,0.2,0,0.48,0
German_Lower/Middle_Franconia,41.30,24.80,15.01,7.01,8.85,0.68,0.72,0.12,0.22,0.65,0.10,0.42,0.08
German_Lower_Saxony_North,49.34,27.83,10.89,5.58,2.87,0.29,1.79,0.52,0.16,0.12,0.52,0.08,0.00
German_Lower_Saxony_South,48.78,25.87,11.39,6.78,3.82,0.44,1.48,0.00,0.51,0.31,0.04,0.12,0.45
German_Lower_Silesia,34.34,36.33,12.87,6.99,6.65,0,0.6,0,0.31,0.85,0.34,0.47,0.23
German_North_Bohemia,38.27,31.61,13.93,5.63,7.42,0.38,0.90,0.53,0.10,0.41,0.50,0.00,0.31
German_North_Hesse,43.69,22.35,14.83,4.48,10.49,1.78,0,0.69,0,0.86,0.22,0,0.6
German_North_Moravia,40.94,27.21,13.27,7.36,7.57,1.49,1.04,0,0,0.48,0.19,0.46,0
German_North_Rhine,43.36,21.95,15.88,7.62,8.34,0.62,0.96,0.13,0.23,0.17,0.38,0.23,0.13
German_Rhineland-Palatinate,42.44,20.12,17.36,5.05,11.26,1.57,0.27,0.15,0.65,0.45,0.39,0.11,0.20
German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine,46.37,21.92,13.75,6.97,7.95,2.21,0.46,0.00,0.00,0.03,0.00,0.20,0.15
German_Saarland,43.50,20.17,18.47,5.85,9.04,1.30,1.03,0.00,0.20,0.12,0.04,0.17,0.09
German_Saxony,38.88,30.83,13.16,6.57,7.10,1.36,0.27,0.02,0.31,0.40,0.29,0.61,0.21
German_Saxony-Anhalt_South,41.19,31.63,11.12,5.16,7.34,1.02,0.62,0.25,0.28,0.56,0.50,0.20,0.12
German_Schleswig-Holstein,50.35,26.87,11.48,4.44,3.57,0.78,0.52,0.27,0.18,0.83,0.39,0.09,0.24
German_South_Hesse,41.78,21.94,17.52,5.66,8.80,1.50,0.66,0.33,0.41,0.56,0.46,0.11,0.27
German_Thuringia_Central,38.63,30.19,13.73,4.49,9.55,0.38,1.70,0.00,0.25,0.47,0.75,0.00,0.00
German_Thuringia_East,37.78,32.62,11.52,6.80,7.19,1.13,0.84,0.24,0.64,0.67,0.47,0.00,0.07
German_West_Bohemia,38.06,27.32,15.52,7.55,9.66,0,0.17,0,0.4,0.58,0.74,0,0
German_West_Mecklenburg,45.13,33.44,9.22,6.21,3.28,0.16,0.49,0.62,0.34,0.34,0.33,0.43,0.00
German_West_Prussia,36.43,38.85,11.22,5.87,4.80,0.17,0.81,0.00,0.71,0.44,0.36,0.00,0.32
German_Westphalia,48.90,25.72,11.45,6.87,3.44,0.81,1.08,0.20,0.26,0.57,0.25,0.06,0.39
Swiss_German,40.15,22.01,17.27,6.58,10.31,1.90,0.08,0.28,0.25,0.52,0.29,0.29,0.09
Upper_Silesia,33.01,43.21,9.27,6.4,5.21,0.26,0.67,0,1.04,0.31,0.58,0,0.06
Belarusian,29.37,49.40,7.59,3.87,4.98,1.44,0.97,0.18,1.32,0.18,0.38,0.20,0.13
Belarusian_Minsk,27.19,49.58,9.18,4.63,4.58,0.53,1.26,0.24,1.21,0.72,0.43,0.21,0.22
Belgian,45.20,22.22,15.56,5.69,7.34,1.11,0.97,0.27,0.10,0.54,0.43,0.35,0.15
Bosniak,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,12.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Croat,28.10,33.15,15.02,7.76,12.05,1.40,0.49,0.28, 0.59,0.54,0.38,0.12,0.10
Croat_East,26.84,34.60,14.13,8.26,12.31,1.43,0.22, 0.12,1.08,0.68,0.30,0.01,0.01
Croat_North,30.06,34.35,14.42,7.05,10.10,1.33,0.54 ,0.31,0.52,0.61,0.40,0.16,0.14
Croat_South,26.36,31.83,15.92,8.38,13.60,1.47,0.50 ,0.28,0.56,0.47,0.37,0.12,0.11
Croat_West,28.53,31.60,15.24,7.61,13.31,1.38,0.61, 0.38,0.36,0.38,0.40,0.13,0.07
Csángó-Ceangău,27.60,29.46,15.34,8.91,11.04,1.51,0.87,1.07,2.64,0.81,0.47,0.15,0.15
Czech,32.33,37.42,11.45,5.60,8.50,1.59,1.15,0.44,0.51,0.91,0.00,0.05,0.06
Danish,50.61,28.70,10.19,5.00,2.12,0.52,0.99,0.19,0.42,0.59,0.23,0.12,0.17
Dutch,49.05,25.20,12.14,4.99,4.00,1.13,0.94,0.39,0.51,0.60,0.42,0.26,0.29
Dutch_Central,49.66,25.31,11.58,4.87,3.73,1.33,0.93,0.45,0.47,0.65,0.47,0.23,0.27
Dutch_North,50.24,26.40,10.76,4.82,3.25,0.77,0.88,0.36,0.55,0.70,0.49,0.31,0.42
Dutch_South,46.00,23.57,15.04,5.19,5.54,1.29,0.99,0.39,0.52,0.51,0.28,0.33,0.29
English,49.68,23.44,13.70,5.62,3.96,0.71,1.03,0.15,0.29,0.57,0.39,0.21,0.17
English_Midlands,49.48,23.54,13.73,5.60,4.10,0.62,1.10,0.19,0.23,0.51,0.41,0.24,0.20
English_North,50.43,23.89,13.25,5.51,3.41,0.67,1.00,0.11,0.29,0.60,0.40,0.19,0.18
English_Southeast,48.90,23.41,13.77,5.63,4.52,0.77,1.11,0.18,0.30,0.57,0.42,0.23,0.13
English_Southwest,50.08,22.98,14.31,5.42,3.64,0.62,1.08,0.14,0.22,0.66,0.46,0.17,0.16
Estonian,32.93,50.58,6.76,2.45,0.57,0.09,0.95,0.05,3.51,1.35,0.61,0.04,0.09
Finnish,34.17,47.69,4.43,2.21,0.65,0.42,0.53,0.96,6.48,0.90,0.81,0.50,0.26
Finnish_Southwest,38.50,43.46,6.96,1.93,1.34,0.49,0.69,0.10,4.96,1.10,0.25,0.14,0.08
Flemish,45.58,22.81,15.33,5.88,6.79,0.60,0.97,0.37,0.12,0.57,0.38,0.35,0.17
French_Alsace,40.65,22.72,16.81,6.48,9.58,1.60,0.39,0.47,0.25,0.36,0.27,0.16,0.26
French_Brittany,48.91,21.55,16.52,5.11,4.78,0.33,0.87,0.09,0.18,1.01,0.07,0.39,0.16
French_Central,42.40,18.28,20.55,4.81,9.80,1.59,0.49,0.26,0.36,0.46,0.37,0.38,0.24
French_Normandy,45.52,21.70,16.97,5.02,7.11,1.04,0.63,0.22,0.85,0.40,0.17,0.05,0.28
French_Northeast,43.27,20.59,17.19,6.01,8.41,1.49,0.81,0.36,0.38,0.48,0.30,0.27,0.43
French_Northwest,48.53,22.11,15.45,5.52,4.38,1.00,1.19,0.25,0.31,0.59,0.29,0.22,0.17
Hungarian,30.43,32.58,14.23,7.16,10.42,1.28,0.9,0.55,1.19,0.55,0.35,0.2,0.15
Hungarian_Alföld,29.33,33.01,14.59,7.21,10.63,1.26,0.68,0.67,1.28,0.62,0.39,0.2,0.11
Hungarian_North,30.35,35.36,13.29,6.2,10.12,0.75,1.05,0.5,1.16,0.51,0.38,0.15,0.17
Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11, 7.29,9.79,1.37,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16
Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely,28.34,28.55,15.07,8.19,12.8,1.37,1.03,0.76,2.28,0.74,0.37,0.2,0.13
Icelandic,51.20,26.73,10.31,6.30,1.57,0.78,0.83,0.20,0.77,0.84,0.12,0.24,0.06
Irish,52.43,22.93,12.62,6.82,1.44,0.50,1.40,0.16,0.28,0.80,0.29,0.14,0.13
Irish_Connacht,52.60,23.36,12.14,6.89,1.22,0.34,1.65,0.08,0.25,0.85,0.21,0.18,0.13
Irish_Leinster,51.61,22.91,13.16,6.64,1.97,0.67,1.13,0.26,0.13,0.77,0.37,0.17,0.14
Irish_Munster,53.00,23.03,12.32,6.73,1.37,0.36,1.35,0.16,0.24,0.80,0.29,0.14,0.15
Irish_Ulster,53.12,22.51,12.51,6.99,0.89,0.57,1.54,0.10,0.48,0.72,0.28,0.08,0.14
Italian_Aosta_Valley,39.39,15.81,22.37,7.56,12.42,1.2,0.46,0.01,0,0.01,0.12,0.44,0.21
Italian_Friuli,32.26,16.88,20.62,7.19,18.53,2.99,0.31,0.3,0.05,0.8,0.02,0.04,0.01
Italian_Trentino,33.67,17.74,23.27,5.53,17.18,1.61,0,0.16,0.12,0.22,0.31,0.16,0.03
Latvian,26.74,58.36,6.41,2.73,0.78,1.1,0.77,0.09,1 .43,0.73,0.32,0.33,0.22
Lemko_Poland,27.74,37.63,14.89,7.34,9.48,0.24,0.42,0.58,0.56,0.60,0.52,0.00,0.00
Lithuanian,28.87,53.90,7.17,3.91,1.48,0.76,1.34,0.06,0.82,0.77,0.41,0.29,0.22
Moldovan_North,23.99,33.84,14.21,9.52,12.52,1.74,0. 78,0.71,1.23,0.39,0.74,0.08,0.27
Norwegian,51.14,28.61,9.91,5.60,1.73,0.43,0.42,0.36,0.64,0.91,0.15,0.01,0.10
Norwegian_Southcentral,50.83,28.97,9.61,4.78,1.91,0.62,0.94,0.11,0.63,0.68,0.56,0.13,0.23
Orcadian,51.33,24.44,12.68,4.97,2.50,0.31,1.00,0.23,1.05,0.81,0.39,0.08,0.20
Polish,30.43,45.49,10.42,5.43,3.74,1.24,0.96,0.11,0.29,0.84,0.26,0.51,0.28
Polish_Greater_Poland,31.45,43.92,10.26,5.30,5.52,0.80,0.87,0.09,0.23,0.65,0.48,0.37,0.06
Polish_Kujavia,31.83,45.41,9.95,4.66,3.33,1.47,1.02,0.20,0.79,0.93,0.00,0.41,0.00
Polish_Lesser_Poland,31.00,43.23,11.15,5.26,5.63,0.55,0.47,0.06,0.80,0.85,0.57,0.29,0.16
Polish_Mazovia,28.33,46.20,10.70,5.60,5.04,0.54,1.20,0.15,0.69,0.66,0.50,0.18,0.20
Polish_Podlaskie,29.87,46.68,7.30,4.42,6.83,1.65,1.33,0.00,1.06,0.35,0.52,0.00,0.00
Polish_Silesia,29.25,43.03,12.16,6.16,5.57,0.39,1.25,0.29,0.64,0.70,0.42,0.16,0.00
Polish_South,30.66,42.03,11.08,6.56,6.22,0.35,1.02,0.45,0.97,0.07,0.25,0.12,0.22
Polish_Subcarpathia,28.71,42.67,11.10,6.04,7.21,1.18,0.44,0.11,1.70,0.23,0.12,0.35,0.13
Polish_Warmia-Masuria,32.51,44.26,10.88,4.19,3.27,0.95,1.21,0.16,1.06,0.51,0.33,0.29,0.39
Romanian_Maramureș,26.03,28.85,16.08,9.29,14.55,1.83,0.84,0.74,0.77,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.06
Romanian_North-Moldavia,24.89,30.80,15.19,9.09,14.27,1.69,0.84,0.56,1.37,0.53,0.47,0.17,0.13
Russian,26.03,47.50,8.65,5.49,2.99,0.68,1.32,0.45,4.75,1.23,0.46,0.15,0.31
Russian_Kargopol,24.92,48.36,7.52,5.54,1.50,0.04,2.49,0.23,6.67,1.70,0.23,0.53,0.26
Russian_Kostroma,26.19,48.54,6.21,5.35,3.19,0.39,1.05,0.69,6.37,1.16,0.52,0.19,0.16
Russian_Pskov,27.00,53.07,7.78,4.50,1.25,1.69,0.54,0.03,1.87,0.73,0.58,0.45,0.50
Russian_Ryazan,24.89,47.15,8.72,7.10,4.48,0.69,1.67,0.40,2.97,0.99,0.32,0.39,0.23
Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.83,1.69,1.38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01
Russian_Southwest,25.94,46.84,8.96,5.59,6.50,0.98,0.99,0.72,1.85,0.81,0.27,0.37,0.19
Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl,25.04,49.54,9.31,5.95,1.48,1.02,1.12,0.10,3.82,1.42,0.39,0.66,0.16
Scottish,51.37,23.36,12.70,6.44,2.73,0.57,1.18,0.16,0.32,0.63,0.27,0.14,0.05
Scottish_ Gàidhealtachd,51.59,24.25,11.99,6.92,1.53,0.50,1.18,0.13,0.36,0.78,0.35,0.27,0.18
Scottish_East,51.30,23.28,12.93, 6.42,2.73,0.47,1.14,0.15,0.28,0.72,0.34,0.12, 0.10
Scottish_North-Highlands,51.33,23.07,13.18,6.37,2.40,0.60,1.03,0.19,0.36,0.84,0.33,0.10, 0.19
Scottish_Northeast,51.34,23.90,13.12, 6.02,2.29,0.50,1.04,0.26,0.31,0.61,0.27,0.20,0.16
Scottish_Southwest,51.78,23.30,12.54,6.51,2.42,0.45,1.26,0.10,0.27,0.64,0.39,0.24,0.09
Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.51,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04
Serb_Republika_Srpska,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05
Serb_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0.25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1
Slovak,30.84,37.18,12.99,6.3,8,1.09,1.03,0.39,0.58 ,0.73,0.53,0.15,0.21
Slovene,31.98,34.42,14.67,6.14,9.29,1.04,0.83,0.12,0.54,0.33,0.29,0.10,0.25
Sorb,33.21,41.31,10.56,4.96,6.56,0.56,1.15,0.46,0.26,0.59,0.16,0.10,0.12
Swedish,48.45,30.99,9.81,3.64,2.43,0.84,1.41,0.21,0.68,0.56,0.40,0.32,0.23
Swedish_East-Svealand,46.74,34.13,8.85,3.92,1.19,0.53,0.97,0.27,1.69,0.86,0.56,0.19,0.12
Swedish_Götaland,50.53,29.29,9.86,4.67,1.88,0.62,0.93,0.21,0.69,0.55,0.41,0.18,0.2
Swedish_Norrland,44.53,36.23,6.25,3.95,0.66,0.40,1.26,0.39,4.94,0.62,0.60,0.09,0.14
Swedish_West-Svealand,49.72,30.6,9.57,4.11,1.75,0.46,1.03,0.19,1.05,0.53,0.45,0.27,0.27
Swiss_French,37.79,20.53,19.52,7.90,10.97,1.49,0.27,0.26,0.44,0.44,0.36,0.04,0.00
Ukrainian,26.53,45.54,10.39,5.93,6.34,0.90,0.97,0.43,1.33,0.70,0.47,0.19,0.27
Ukrainian_Carpathians,26.50,38.13,13.24,7.09,9.82,1.21,1.06,0.35,1.41,0.65,0.25,0.16,0.13
Ukrainian_Galicia,27.87,39.97,12.58,7.17,7.51,1.27,1.03,0.33,1.17,0.57,0.37,0.09,0.07
Ukrainian_Moldova,26.14,41.20,11.47,6.64,9.05,1.05,1.11,0.70,1.19,0.54,0.28,0.35,0.27
Ukrainian_North,26.50,45.84,10.23,5.88,6.40,0.84,1.04,0.49,1.19,0.67,0.46,0.23,0.23
Ukrainian_Northwest,27.13,46.07,10.32,5.77,6.00,0.74,0.78,0.42,1.12,0.68,0.55,0.16,0.27
Ukrainian_South,26.46,43.06,11.30,5.89,7.53,0.90,1.45,0.40,1.61,0.77,0.27,0.12,0.22
Welsh,50.73,23.16,13.73,6.18,2.84,0.53,0.97,0.13,0.32,0.58,0.4,0.25,0.12

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Creoda

Who gives a rats, this is an English speaking forum, and more people would be familiar with the English names anyway.

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As a German I like much the German names, of course. But it would lead to a lot of inconsistancies if we would use a German (only) name and then "South" or "Central" in English. If we would have used used German "Süd" and "Mittel" too, how would then the whole database turn out, if Finns, Poles, Chinese and Kenyians would do the respective?

So yes, there is hardly any other reasonable way than using English names in this context.

I accidentaly posted old upper Austrian average in the update. But I fixed it now. Lower Austria was wrong too, I posted old average (fixed)! Double checking everything now!

Edit: all other samples were fine and I fixed these two mentioned above, all good. Update is complete.

One more thank you to Stearsolina, Rothaer, and Dunai. Utilizing my mother's closest German region, I can now get a nice modeling for myself.

I am sure the work that you all have done will be of great value to countless people.

Target: Mr.G
Distance: 150.1401% / 1.50140096
53.2 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
28.8 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
18.0 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

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Target: Mr.G
Distance: 165.7224% / 1.65722397
51.6 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
29.4 Transdanubia
19.0 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

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Target: Mr.G
Distance: 154.4257% / 1.54425736
52.6 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
23.8 Transdanubia
23.6 Transylvania

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Originally Posted by Creoda

(...)

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The taken into account millions of (German) inhabitants used for weighting:

https://i.imgur.com/QTX2XaB.jpg

Interesting how Austrian and German averages score same amount of Baltic (27), just German has 6% more North Atlantic.

And Germany's Germans are closest population to them.

Distance to: Austrian

6.48610823 German
7.96273194 Swiss
8.64046874 Hungarian
8.82998301 Slovene
10.09361679 Belgian
10.25256066 Flemish
10.98678297 Croat
11.85785394 French
12.06355669 Slovak
12.15000000 Czech
14.02756215 Serb
14.07545381 Bosniak
14.12433361 Dutch
14.64714989 English
15.29071614 Rusyn
15.30902675 Moldovan
15.46340195 Montenegrin
15.65699524 Swedish
15.87309044 Romanian
15.87998741 Sorb
16.00132495 Welsh
16.70807589 Scottish
16.71802919 Danish
17.21761598 Icelandic
17.34724474 Norwegian

Target: Austrian
Distance: 0.5295% / 0.52954886 | ADC: 0.5x RC

34.5 German
33.6 Hungarian
31.9 Swiss

full gradient run:

Distance to: Austrian

2.04699780 German_West_Bohemia
2.43659599 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
3.65127033 Austrian_Lower_Austria
4.77140441 German_County_Glatz
4.84319110 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
4.86224228 German_Bavaria_proper
4.87351003 German_Bavarian_Swabia
5.04821751 Austrian_Burgenland
5.18070459 German_North_Moravia
5.21990421 German_Thuringia_Central
5.27672247 German_Lower/Middle_Franconia
5.31506350 Austrian_Styria
5.43104962 German_Saxony
5.64447517 German_North_Bohemia
6.11128464 French_Alsace
6.47902770 German_Baden-Württemberg
6.48610823 German
6.58522589 Swiss_German
7.27596729 German_Thuringia_East
7.36557533 Austrian_Tyrol
7.65413614 German_South_Hesse
7.91537112 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.95241473 Austrian_Carinthia
7.96273194 Swiss_French
8.30428203 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South

Most of the Austrian pops do not look particularly Slav-blooded. The Baltic is well below 30%. So that was probably overestimated by some people.

Mine updated 2-way, top 20

Very often get German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) in combination with some Greek average.


Distance to: Dušan
2.99684634 60.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 40.00% Greek_Central_Macedonia
3.05662272 37.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 63.00% Moldovan_South
3.15036793 62.40% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 37.60% Greek_Eastern_Thrace
3.15255447 47.80% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl + 52.20% Torbesh
3.22959276 66.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 34.00% Greek_Athens
3.26174619 48.80% Gagauz + 51.20% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
3.26749765 63.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 37.00% Greek_Peloponnese
3.27490210 53.20% Albanian_Gheg + 46.80% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
3.28290686 65.40% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 34.60% Greek_Central
3.29547691 58.80% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 41.20% Torbesh
3.30894402 60.60% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 39.40% Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
3.32614797 62.20% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 37.80% Greek_Western
3.33168204 42.20% Albanian_Gheg + 57.80% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
3.37087127 52.00% Bulgarian_Southcentral + 48.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
3.39539371 45.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 54.60% Greek_Central_Macedonia
3.40265402 40.80% Albanian + 59.20% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
3.40313615 71.40% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 28.60% Greek_North_Aegean
3.41701210 42.80% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 57.20% Romanian_Dobruja
3.41782023 74.60% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 25.40% Greek_Symi
3.42376172 68.40% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 31.60% Greek_Ionia

Please replace Bosniak average with the following ones:

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Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.51,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Bosniak_Central_Northeast,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,12.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11.04,2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Krajina_West,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98,0.74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.96,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00

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Credit goes to Vbnethkio, who made them.

Bosniak PCA

https://i.imgur.com/BTFbUX0.png

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

Bosniak PCA

https://i.imgur.com/BTFbUX0.png

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Nice work, but Bosniaks from Sandžak should also have been included in the PCA. Their numbers aren't insignificant.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Nice work, but Bosniaks from Sandžak should also have been included in the PCA. Their numbers aren't insignificant.

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Yeah, I forgot that sample.

https://i.imgur.com/9w3XPIW.png

Averages used

Spoiler!

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Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.51,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98,0.74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak_Central_Northeast,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,12.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11.04,2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Sandžak,24.09,24.59,19.05,10.39,18.12,1.78,0.19,0.38,0.49,0.55,0.29,0.01,0.06
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.96,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Albanian,21.69,17.54,21.72,11.13,23.86,2.59,0.16,0.28,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.16,0.09
Albanian_Gheg,21.88,18.15,21.86,11.23,22.94,2.61,0.19,0.24,0.26,0.19,0.26,0.16,0.02
Aromanian,21.26,20.34,19.00,11.77,22.61,3.09,0.18,0.47,0.47,0.41,0.38,0.04,0.00
Bulgarian,21.80,24.15,17.82,11.65,19.51,2.40,0.53,0.42,0.77,0.38,0.33,0.11,0.08
Bulgarian_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.86,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgarian_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.44,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgarian_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.05,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgarian_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.32,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgarian_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.44,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgarian_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.68,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06
Croat,28.10,33.15,15.02,7.76,12.05,1.40,0.49,0.28,0.59,0.54,0.38,0.12,0.10
Croat_East,26.84,34.60,14.13,8.26,12.31,1.43,0.22,0.12,1.08,0.68,0.30,0.01,0.01
Croat_North,30.06,34.35,14.42,7.05,10.10,1.33,0.54,0.31,0.52,0.61,0.40,0.16,0.14
Croat_South,26.36,31.83,15.92,8.38,13.60,1.47,0.50,0.28,0.56,0.47,0.37,0.12,0.11
Croat_West,28.53,31.60,15.24,7.61,13.31,1.38,0.61,0.38,0.36,0.38,0.40,0.13,0.07
Csángó-Ceangău,27.60,29.46,15.34,8.91,11.04,1.51,0.87,1.07,2.64,0.81,0.47,0.15,0.15
Czech,32.33,37.42,11.45,5.60,8.50,1.59,1.15,0.44,0.51,0.91,0.00,0.05,0.06
Gagauz,19.35,22.92,18.13,13.07,21.02,2.46,0.65,0.37,0.91,0.33,0.51,0.21,0.07
German_Bavarian_Swabia,34.71,26.3,19.15,7.19,11.37,0,0,0,0,0.37,0.4,0,0.46
Greek_Northern_Thrace,19.04,22.53,19.23,12.02,24.12,0,0,0,1.00,0,1.52,0,0
Hungarian,30.43,32.58,14.23,7.16,10.42,1.28,0.9,0.55,1.19,0.55,0.35,0.2,0.15
Hungarian_Alföld,29.33,33.01,14.59,7.21,10.63,1.26,0.68,0.67,1.28,0.62,0.39,0.2,0.11
Hungarian_North,30.35,35.36,13.29,6.2,10.12,0.75,1.05,0.5,1.16,0.51,0.38,0.15,0.17
Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11,7.29,9.79,1.37,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16
Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely,28.34,28.55,15.07,8.19,12.8,1.37,1.03,0.76,2.28,0.74,0.37,0.2,0.13
Lemko_Poland,27.74,37.63,14.89,7.34,9.48,0.24,0.42,0.58,0.56,0.60,0.52,0.00,0.00
Moldovan,23.31,31.19,15.42,9.57,14.52,1.81,0.97,0.63,1.41,0.46,0.42,0.12,0.18
Moldovan_Central,23.53,31.20,15.11,9.56,14.31,1.77,1.20,0.52,1.58,0.45,0.46,0.15,0.17
Moldovan_North,23.99,33.84,14.21,9.52,12.52,1.74,0.78,0.71,1.23,0.39,0.74,0.08,0.27
Moldovan_South,21.97,26.97,17.49,10.22,17.43,2.16,0.92,0.45,1.23,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.14
Montenegrin,24.13,26.54,18.30,9.74,17.15,2.10,0.23,0.26,0.68,0.40,0.32,0.07,0.06
North_Macedonian_Central,23.10,19.77,20.84,11.41,20.84,1.98,0.35,0.45,0.40,0.45,0.34,0.05,0.04
North_Macedonian_East,24.84,20.89,21.03,9.94,18.58,2.94,0.13,0.52,0.32,0.57,0.25,0.00,0.00
North_Macedonian_North,22.71,22.37,19.31,11.16,21.05,1.89,0.34,0.25,0.31,0.26,0.26,0.04,0.04
North_Macedonian_South,21.81,19.85,20.28,11.24,22.75,2.38,0.21,0.30,0.32,0.39,0.39,0.03,0.04
Pomak_Bulgaria,19.91,25.54,17.54,12.24,20.19,2.63,0.09,0.69,0.47,0.30,0.17,0.19,0.05
Pomak_Greece,18.71,25.67,15.92,12.89,21.39,2.55,0.34,0.34,1.27,0.36,0.58,0.00,0.00
Romanian,23.71,26.24,17.13,10.25,17.33,1.90,0.64,0.60,1.07,0.54,0.38,0.11,0.10
Romanian_Banat,23.88,25.79,17.43,10.47,17.42,1.87,0.49,0.57,1.19,0.45,0.26,0.11,0.06
Romanian_Crișana,25.14,27.30,16.89,9.51,16.54,1.32,0.69,0.43,0.91,0.60,0.44,0.12,0.10
Romanian_Dobruja,22.26,25.09,17.69,10.81,18.50,2.16,0.71,0.71,1.15,0.45,0.30,0.06,0.10
Romanian_Maramureș,26.03,28.85,16.08,9.29,14.55,1.83,0.84,0.74,0.77,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.06
Romanian_Muntenia,22.61,24.55,17.51,11.08,18.76,2.11,0.62,0.62,1.03,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.09
Romanian_North-Moldavia,24.89,30.80,15.19,9.09,14.27,1.69,0.84,0.56,1.37,0.53,0.47,0.17,0.13
Romanian_Oltenia,23.41,24.91,18.15,10.55,18.10,1.83,0.51,0.71,0.87,0.38,0.37,0.08,0.12
Romanian_South-Moldavia,24.02,26.72,16.79,9.78,17.00,2.06,0.64,0.58,1.14,0.64,0.37,0.10,0.16
Romanian_Transylvania,24.22,26.32,17.35,9.92,17.02,1.80,0.57,0.56,1.10,0.59,0.38,0.09,0.10
Romanian_Wallachia,22.69,24.74,17.64,10.95,18.58,2.07,0.62,0.65,1.01,0.49,0.35,0.11,0.10
Serb,24.72,29.47,17.13,9.20,15.42,1.55,0.55,0.27,0.72,0.53,0.30,0.08,0.05
Serb_Central,24.89,29.52,16.74,8.49,16.39,1.75,0.27,0.23,0.73,0.53,0.24,0.07,0.09
Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.51,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04
Serb_Herzegovina,24.24,28.42,17.69,9.12,16.53,1.92,0.17,0.27,0.57,0.44,0.4,0.16,0.07
Serb_Montenegro,24.06,25.44,18.66,10.11,17.52,2.21,0.27,0.26,0.74,0.37,0.28,0.02,0.05
Serb_Republika_Srpska,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05
Serb_South,23.55,28.45,16.82,9.8,16.96,2.09,0.51,0.30,0.60,0.38,0.27,0.12,0.12
Serb_Vojvodina,24.72,28.71,17.21,9.07,16.01,1.5,0.65,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.3,0.07,0.15
Serb_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0.25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1
Slovak,30.84,37.18,12.99,6.3,8,1.09,1.03,0.39,0.58,0.73,0.53,0.15,0.21
Slovene,31.98,34.42,14.67,6.14,9.29,1.04,0.83,0.12,0.54,0.33,0.29,0.10,0.25
Torbesh,21.55,17.67,22.34,10.48,23.69,2.25,0.00,0.51,0.48,0.79,0.25,0.00,0.00
Ukrainian_Carpathians,26.50,38.13,13.24,7.09,9.82,1.21,1.06,0.35,1.41,0.65,0.25,0.16,0.13
Ukrainian_Galicia,27.87,39.97,12.58,7.17,7.51,1.27,1.03,0.33,1.17,0.57,0.37,0.09,0.07
Ukrainian_Moldova,26.14,41.20,11.47,6.64,9.05,1.05,1.11,0.70,1.19,0.54,0.28,0.35,0.27

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Mine updated 2-way, top 20

Very often get German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) in combination with some Greek average.

Distance to: Dušan
2.99684634 60.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 40.00% Greek_Central_Macedonia
3.05662272 37.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 63.00% Moldovan_South
3.15036793 62.40% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 37.60% Greek_Eastern_Thrace
3.15255447 47.80% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl + 52.20% Torbesh
3.22959276 66.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 34.00% Greek_Athens
3.26174619 48.80% Gagauz + 51.20% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
3.26749765 63.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 37.00% Greek_Peloponnese
3.27490210 53.20% Albanian_Gheg + 46.80% Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
3.28290686 65.40% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 34.60% Greek_Central
3.29547691 58.80% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 41.20% Torbesh
3.30894402 60.60% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 39.40% Greek_Eastern_Macedonia
3.32614797 62.20% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow) + 37.80% Greek_Western
3.33168204 42.20% Albanian_Gheg + 57.80% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
3.37087127 52.00% Bulgarian_Southcentral + 48.00% German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)

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You get that very often because you are Serbian, and that sample is in fact a genetically pure Sorb, and Serbs are descended from Sorbs / White Serbs who migrated south into the Balkans. The very same sample is in Global25 as Sorb_Niederlausitz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hYu7UM0B40

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Please replace Moldova South average for K13

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Moldovan_South,21.78,28.89,15.87,9.76,18.84,2.00,0.55,0.49,0.66,0.64,0.22,0.12,0.18

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Originally Posted by Tomenable

You get that very often because you are Serbian, and that sample is in fact a genetically pure Sorb, and Serbs are descended from Sorbs / White Serbs who migrated south into the Balkans. The very same sample is in Global25 as Sorb_Niederlausitz: (...)

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Yes, because you tricked Davidski and withheld the information that this is no ethnic Sorb, but an ethnic German, like all her ancestors the last 200 years, however.

Of course she will descend from Sorbs later back, like all Germans east of the Elbe-Saale line do descend from Sorbs and Polabians. But you have zero information about her ancestry and she being "in fact a genetically pure Sorb" is a Peterska interpretation only. You have no sense for separating facts and interpretations. Unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Tomenable

You get that very often because you are Serbian, and that sample is in fact a genetically pure Sorb, and Serbs are descended from Sorbs / White Serbs who migrated south into the Balkans. The very same sample is in Global25 as Sorb_Niederlausitz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hYu7UM0B40

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It is really fascinating how autosomal genetics can trace old historical migration.
I can be modeled with other northern Slavs, but neither combination give such close distance as these combinations with sample from todays eastern Germany.
With this, it is proven that historical records about white Serbs in todays eastern Germany is not a myth.

It is true this ethnic German woman is genetically very purely Slavic/Sorb, in fact she is more Slavic genetically than Peterski. However everything rothaer wrote stands. She has only German ancestors in last 200 years.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It is true this ethnic German woman is genetically very purely Slavic/Sorb, in fact she is more Slavic genetically than Peterski. However everything rothaer wrote stands. She has only German ancestors in last 200 years.

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How would you explain that I can be modeled closest with this sample, than with tens and tens Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, Belarussian regional averages?
Accidently or not?

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Originally Posted by Dušan

How would you explain that I can be modeled closest with this sample, than with tens and tens Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, Belarussian regional averages?
Accidently or not?

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I think it may not be a coincidence. Of course I believe Sorbs are remnants of white Serbs who migrated to Balkans and founded Serbian state. So it's very nice you get modeled with Sorb like sample among all others offered.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

It is really fascinating how autosomal genetics can trace old historical migration.
I can be modeled with other northern Slavs, but neither combination give such close distance as these combinations with sample from todays eastern Germany.
With this, it is proven that historical records about white Serbs in todays eastern Germany is not a myth.

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This woman will likely have loads of Sorb ancestry farther back and she has also very Slavic-like genetics. I just opposed mingeling knowledge and assumptions already in the labeling (which then hides to users what is what).

What you tell is admittedly intriguing. But before drawing final conclusions: Does this apply when modelling other Serbs too?

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Originally Posted by rothaer

This woman will likely have loads of Sorb ancestry farther back and she has also very Slavic-like genetics. I just opposed mingeling knowledge and assumptions already in the labeling (which then hides for users what is what).

What you tell is admittedly intriguing. But before drawing final conclusions: Does this apply when modelling other Serbs too?

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I should check, I dont know.
For example, user vbnetkhio has this model for sure, since we have very simmilar K13 results.

But, maybe it is coincidence.
With further development of autosomal genetics in future, we will find out and descover new facts.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I should check, I dont know.
For example, user vbnetkhio has this model for sure, since we have very simmilar K13 results.

But, maybe it is coincidence.
With further development of autosomal genetics in future, we will find out and descover new facts.

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I'm curious and do not oppose whatever find.

Just this thought: If such a connection is not just true, but also is visible in such a way, wouldn't that presuppose that White Serbs have something that distinguish them from neighboring Slavic tribes?

It's not impossible. But in that case it should be something specific, not harbored in other Slavic tribes. And after we model in K13, that specificity should also express in K13 values.

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Originally Posted by rothaer

I'm curious and do not oppose whatever find.

Just this thought: If such a connection is not just true, but also is visible in such a way, wouldn't that presuppose that White Serbs have something that distinguish them from neighboring Slavic tribes?

It's not impossible. But in that case it should be something specific, not harbored in other Slavic tribes. And after we model in K13, that specificity should also express in K13 values.

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The Brandenburg result looks looks very similar to Ukrainian and Eastern Polish averages, except 2% of the Baltic is moved into West Med.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Please replace Bosniak average with the following ones:

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Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.51,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Bosniak_Central_Northeast,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,12.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11.04,2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Krajina_West,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98,0.74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.96,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00

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Credit goes to Vbnethkio, who made them.

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Something doesn't add up with the Bosniak national average - 3/4 regional averages have NA >25, one even >27 while national has <25? Which Canton's are included for each regional average?

These regional averages give Bosniak,25.86,32.47,15.50,8.66,13.45,1.53,0.54,0.3 9,0.34,0.69,0.38,0.16,0.05

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Originally Posted by rothaer

Yes, because you tricked Davidski and withheld the information

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Dude stop your Nazi-like unsubstantiated slanders, I presented all the facts I knew about this sample to Davidski.

I also sent to Davidski what Sven had told me (exact quote).

And I even asked David to double-check this sample with his methods of genetic analyses, to confirm "Sorbianness".

Davidski checked IBD sharing between this sample and academic Sorbs.

But he said these academic Sorbs cannot be added to G25.

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Originally Posted by MoroLP

Something doesn't add up with the Bosniak national average - 3/4 regional averages have NA >25, one even >27 while national has <25? Which Canton's are included for each regional average?

These regional averages give Bosniak,25.86,32.47,15.50,8.66,13.45,1.53,0.54,0.3 9,0.34,0.69,0.38,0.16,0.05

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Because it isn't calculated from these new averages, it's the old academic average, which are regionally mixed Bosniaks from Sarajevo.

Your calculation shows it's pretty close to the truth, with some minor variations. But Bosniak Sandzak should also be added, and they should be weighed by population size.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Because it isn't calculated from these new averages, it's the old academic average, which are regionally mixed Bosniaks from Sarajevo.

Your calculation shows it's pretty close to the truth, with some minor variations. But Bosniak Sandzak should also be added, and they should be weighed by population size.

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But what's the point of naming and having it as Bosniak if Bosniak isn't calculated using regional averages? Currently, we have two-three Bosniak national averages. It is confusing. Of course, the national average should be weighted by regional population size. Hence we need to know which Canton samples are included in each regional average.

Bosniak Sandzak shouldn't be added to the Bosniak average, they aren't very related to the Bosniaks from BiH. Speak a different dialect and with different genetics actually are Serbianized-Bosniakized Albanians. We need a clear Bosniak average for BiH like in scientific papers.

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Originally Posted by Tomenable

Dude stop your Nazi-like unsubstantiated slanders (…)

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That specifically nationalsocialists are connected to unsubstantiated slanders is another interesting oddball opinion.

You did not unveil to Davidski that the testee was an ethnic German with only ethnic German ancestors the last 200 years.