Was Haplogroup R originally mongoloid?

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10-24-2017, 11:44 PM
cosmoo

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

You fucking retard there are at least 2 legit studies which list it as NO, and I've posted you the links at least dozen times already.

Now fuckoff moron.

Buttblasted Jukka is buttblasted.
10-24-2017, 11:54 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

You fucking retard there are at least 2 legit studies which list it as NO, and I've posted you the links at least dozen times already.

Now fuckoff moron.

Also the ancestral clades of Siberian N1c1 are found in European Russia.

All when N is found, that is from Finnsih migration from Siberia.

"The Y-chromosome haplogroup N-M231 (Hg N) is distributed widely in eastern and central Asia, Siberia, as well as in eastern and northern Europe. Previous studies suggested a counterclockwise prehistoric migration of Hg N from eastern Asia to eastern and northern Europe. However, the root of this Y chromosome lineage and its detailed dispersal pattern across eastern Asia are still unclear. We analyzed haplogroup profiles and phylogeographic patterns of 1,570 Hg N individuals from 20,826 males in 359 populations across Eurasia. We first genotyped 6,371 males from 169 populations in China and Cambodia, and generated data of 360 Hg N individuals, and then combined published data on 1,210 Hg N individuals from Japanese, Southeast Asian, Siberian, European and Central Asian populations. The results showed that the sub-haplogroups of Hg N have a distinct geographical distribution. The highest Y-STR diversity of the ancestral Hg N sub-haplogroups was observed in the southern part of mainland East Asia, and further phylogeographic analyses supports an origin of Hg N in southern China. Combined with previous data, we propose that the early northward dispersal of Hg N started from southern China about 21 thousand years ago (kya), expanding into northern China 12–18 kya, and reaching further north to Siberia about 12–14 kya before a population expansion and westward migration into Central Asia and eastern/northern Europe around 8.0–10.0 kya. This northward migration of Hg N likewise coincides with retreating ice sheets after the Last Glacial Maximum (22–18 kya) in mainland East Asia."

Is that a lie too? :)
10-25-2017, 07:19 PM
Ülev

Below is a map of confirmed instances of I-M26 found in prehistoric remains. Lots of others could have potentially been added -- ancestral clades, closely related sister clades, and ones where the coverages is insufficient to determine whether it is indeed M26 (or L672 L160 etc.) But we decided to err on the side of being conservative.

Going chronologically, we have M26 in what is now Sweden, at the Motala site, at 7730 BP (Before Present). These were Hunter/Gatherers.

http://snplogic.blogspot.com/2015/06...rstanding.html
10-25-2017, 08:03 PM
Harkonnen

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

All when N is found, that is from Finnsih migration from Siberia.

"The Y-chromosome haplogroup N-M231 (Hg N) is distributed widely in eastern and central Asia, Siberia, as well as in eastern and northern Europe. Previous studies suggested a counterclockwise prehistoric migration of Hg N from eastern Asia to eastern and northern Europe. However, the root of this Y chromosome lineage and its detailed dispersal pattern across eastern Asia are still unclear. We analyzed haplogroup profiles and phylogeographic patterns of 1,570 Hg N individuals from 20,826 males in 359 populations across Eurasia. We first genotyped 6,371 males from 169 populations in China and Cambodia, and generated data of 360 Hg N individuals, and then combined published data on 1,210 Hg N individuals from Japanese, Southeast Asian, Siberian, European and Central Asian populations. The results showed that the sub-haplogroups of Hg N have a distinct geographical distribution. The highest Y-STR diversity of the ancestral Hg N sub-haplogroups was observed in the southern part of mainland East Asia, and further phylogeographic analyses supports an origin of Hg N in southern China. Combined with previous data, we propose that the early northward dispersal of Hg N started from southern China about 21 thousand years ago (kya), expanding into northern China 12–18 kya, and reaching further north to Siberia about 12–14 kya before a population expansion and westward migration into Central Asia and eastern/northern Europe around 8.0–10.0 kya. This northward migration of Hg N likewise coincides with retreating ice sheets after the Last Glacial Maximum (22–18 kya) in mainland East Asia."

Is that a lie too? :)

Yes, it's total nonsense. If I'm honest the Chinese have a agenda to prove the Chinese origin of N, and they publish these poorly made studies every 3 months. You shouldn't take them seriously.

Here's Lawrence Maykas opinion on that study:

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Originally Posted by lgmayka

Unfortunately, that study directly sampled only East Asians, and tested only four reliable SNPs: M231, Tat, P43, and M128. (It also tested the misleadingly useless LLY22g, which we now know has back-mutated multiple times.) The study openly admits that the alleged N-M231* is "younger than expected, likely as a result of yet-to-be-identified individuals having derived N-M231 sub-haplogroup when new Y SNP markers are uncovered in the future."

Thus, the study's basic conclusion (the origin of N in southern China) rests entirely on 7 Y-STRs measured on the alleged N-LLY22g* of East Asia only. The study made no attempt to discover a new SNP that would characterize this paragroup; nor did the study test P189 or L732, which were on the ISOGG haplotree (and unfairly criticized by a hasty and uninformed blogger) by the time of the study's publication.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ls-split/page3

Mayka is expert on this stuff; he speaketh truth.
10-25-2017, 08:11 PM
Rethel

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10-25-2017, 08:14 PM
Ülev

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Originally Posted by Rethel

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the truth will free you
10-25-2017, 08:16 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

Yes, it's total nonsense. If I'm honest the Chinese have a agenda to prove the Chinese origin of N, and they publish these poorly made studies every 3 months. You shouldn't take them seriously.

Here's Lawrence Maykas opinion on that study:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ls-split/page3

Mayka is expert on this stuff; he speaketh truth.

1) I can't enter in this thread becouse i am not a member of the forum.

2) That guy still can't prove that N is of European origin (as you are claiming in every thread).
10-25-2017, 08:18 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Sundqvist

the truth will free you

The truth is that "N" haplogroup originated in Europe?? (as Harkonnen say)
10-25-2017, 08:21 PM
Ülev

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Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic

The truth is that "N" haplogroup originated in Europe?? (as Harkonnen say)

no, rather that R1 is originally Mongoloid (Steppe Mongoloid), N is interesting case, to me QPR is Steppe Mongoloid, others like the Chinese are Sinoids "only", with more or less from SM features
10-25-2017, 08:25 PM
Vlatko Vukovic

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Originally Posted by Sundqvist

no, rather that R1 is originally Mongoloid (Steppe Mongoloid), N is interesting case, to me QPR is Steppe Mongoloid, others like the Chinese are Sinoids "only", with more or less from SM features

Yeah. But N is mongoloid also. Finns just try to hide it.

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