Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Laberia

For the first question, i asked you because i belive that you have read this article.
For the second question, i am reading Eupedia and i see that there is no consensus if I2a-Din is of slavic origine or Paleolithic continuity. The result is in favour of Paleolithic continuity: 60 51.28% vs 37 31.62%
Here is the link:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/poll.ph...do=showresults
How do you explain this?

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Eupedia and other such sources make this claim ( I should remind you that your good friend, Davai, also claims something like this). Eupedia I guess has many South Slavs who like to associate I2 with Illyrians. Personally, I do not buy it.

Nordvedt, as far as I know, has disproven this idea and shows that it is very young indeed. ( coalescing in Baltic area after the Illyrians and Thracians settled in Southeast Europe). The diversity of the clade decreases from North as you go South in the Balkans. Founder effect caused it to have huge numbers in Balkans.

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Originally Posted by Ujku

Ore ca meresh me kta kok pidhat ? Kta na beren slav te mixuar me turk edhe vlech te ter shqiptaret e jugut.

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E di. Eshte nje bastard pa identitet familiar dhe kombetar. Dobici i ndonje servi. E ka pranuar qe gjyshi i tij ishte nje lloj perfaqesuesi i shqiptareve. Ata dinin ke zgjidhnin si perfaqesues. Pra ka hyre dhe ka dale me ta, keshtu qe nuk eshte cudi qe Shega e tij i ka hapur shalet dhe ata ja kane care pjeshken.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Eupedia and other such sources make this claim ( I should remind you that your good friend, Davai, also claims something like this). Eupedia I guess has many South Slavs who like to associate I2 with Illyrians. Personally, I do not buy it.

Nordvedt, as far as I know, has disproven this idea and shows that it is very young indeed. ( coalescing in Baltic area after the Illyrians and Thracians settled in Southeast Europe). The diversity of the clade decreases from North as you go South in the Balkans. Founder effect caused it to have huge numbers in Balkans.

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Appart Eupedia who is just a forum, exist this discussion among scholars if this haplogroup is native or slavic?

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Appart Eupedia who is just a forum, exist this discussion among scholars if this haplogroup is native or slavic?

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Yes, check Ken Nordvedt. He organized most of the information we know of I type haplogroups. His information is a little hard to find online, but I am sure that Albanian members here have it, if it exists in online format.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2015138a.html

Ghegs get around 6% I2+r1a combined.

Tosks about 23%

Arbereshe about 30%

(I do not count I1- brought by Normans, Goths, Catalans, etc)


You can interpret that any way your little heart desires.

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So, could one correlate the criminal tendencies of the albs to the (non-existing) common bloodline or to (most likely) common criminal culture?

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Ok, but i see that there is not consensus about this. The members of this forum, Eupedia, are just nickname and we don`t know if any of them is a real expert or they are just amateurs, but this lack of consensus exist. Is your explanation accepted by all scholars or exist contradiction?

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This is pretty much accepted by everyone. I dont hold by what Eupedia says, i just used their map to try to show you how I2a Dinaric now stands.

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Yes, check Ken Nordvedt. He organized most of the information we know of I type haplogroups. His information is a little hard to find online, but I am sure that Albanian members here have it, if it exists in online format.

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Let`s not lose our time with Ken. So you agree that there is not an consensus among scholars about the origine of this Haplogroup?

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Originally Posted by Dema

This is pretty much accepted by everyone. I dont hold by what Eupedia says, i just used their map to try to show you how I2a Dinaric now stands.

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This thread in Eupedia is huge, 48 pages and both sides are using references to prove their opinion.

Come on Scholarios, faster.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Let`s not lose our time with Ken. So you agree that there is not an consensus among scholars about the origine of this Haplogroup?

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No, I don't agree. There is not a consensus among online chauvinists, yes, but the age of I2-DIN(L621) is young as shown by Nordvedt, who is the expert on this group. (it's Around 2,000 years old). This Post-dates Paleo-Balkan Late Bronze/Early Iron Age Arrivals of Illyrians to Balkans.


You were showing promise of being capable of reason. Don't revert Labby, don't do it.