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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Nobody considered themself anything 1500 years ago, dumbass. Ethnic identity is 19th century concept.

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That's just a highly dumb statement, even from you. You must be confusing nationalist sentiment with ethnic identity.

Any group of people can be an ethnic group, no matter the size, and people can be part of multiple ethnic groups

Modern Croats are part of the national Croatia ethnic group, their regional identity ethnic group, their religious ethnic group, etc

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Originally Posted by Voight

That's just a highly dumb statement, even from you. You must be confusing nationalist sentiment with ethnic identity.

Any group of people can be an ethnic group, no matter the size, and people can be part of multiple ethnic groups

Modern Croats are part of the national Croatia ethnic group, their regional identity ethnic group, their religious ethnic group, etc

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I agree but the word ethnic is not necessary in the last sentence. Regional and religious identities are different from ethnic. A Catholic Bavarian is ethnically German but he doesn't have a Protestant (religious) or Northern German identity (regional).

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Nobody considered themself anything 1500 years ago, dumbass. Ethnic identity is 19th century concept.

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they had a name for their language and ethnic group, it was just less important and changed more easily

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Nobody considered themself anything 1500 years ago, dumbass. Ethnic identity is 19th century concept.

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Lol. Tribal identity (which is basically ethnic) has existed since ever.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

they had a name for their language and ethnic group, it was just less important and changed more easily

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There is no clear proof of what they were and how Bosnian identity developed. Offshoot of Croatian/Serb, mix of both, or just hey descend from first Slavic wave into Balkans.
My opinion is leaning towards that, I believe (for now) dinaric Slavs descend mostly from Sclavenians who came trough eastern Balkan route or Pannonia with Avars.
Croats and Serbs came later from west Slavic lands and united these Slavs and natives under their names as they were obviously military capable groups, Croats especially.

Slovenians and north Croats seem to descend from groups of Great Moravian state, on the other hand. Caranthanians, Pannonians etc.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Lol. Tribal identity (which is basically ethnic) has existed since ever.

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And there is extremely little evidence (few quotations taken out of context) of Bosnia being Serb land ethnically.
Neither are there any relevant archeological remains of early Serbs in pre-Ottoman Bosnia.
My guess is they were occupying southeastern Bosnia which is part of their early core and the rest is debatable.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Lol. Tribal identity (which is basically ethnic) has existed since ever.

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yes. but it became way less important somewhere in the early medieval times. maybe when feudalism began. and then in the 19th century we started being "tribal" again.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

And there is extremely little evidence (few quotations taken out of context) of Bosnia being Serb land ethnically.
Neither are there any relevant archeological remains of early Serbs in pre-Ottoman Bosnia.
My guess is they were occupying southeastern Bosnia which is part of their early core and the rest is debatable.

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Bosnian medieval rulers recogized themselves and own subjects inhabitants of Bosnia as Serbs. You can see
example on my signature.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

yes. but it became way less important somewhere in the early medieval times. maybe when feudalism began. and then in the 19th century we started being "tribal" again.

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I don't know, for example we (including modern Ukraine and Belarus) have been Russians since the middle ages, even before the Mongol invasion.