The four corners of Europe, G25 model (Scaled coordinates).

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08-28-2020, 05:57 PM
oszkar07

Target: Oszkar_ArmenianWife
Distance: 3.0685% / 0.03068517 | ADC: 0.25x
88.6 South_Caucasus
9.0 SouthEast_Europe
2.4 Persian

Target: Oszkar_ArmenianWife
Distance: 3.0623% / 0.03062290
85.6 South_Caucasus
10.2 SouthEast_Europe
4.2 Persian

Distance to: Oszkar_ArmenianWife
0.03285490 South_Caucasus
0.07421170 Persian
0.08688175 North_Caucasus
0.10130789 SouthEast_Europe
0.15957009 SouthWest_Europe
0.19357380 NorthWest_Europe
0.20181287 NorthEast_Europe
0.20819464 Turkic
08-28-2020, 06:55 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I think populations like the English and Dutch are much better representatives of Northwestern Europeans than populations like Orcadians, Shetlanders and Icelanders. These populations have not contributed to anyone's ancestry in any significant way. They are very small and drifted populations who are a mixture of Gael and Scandos. I personally remove these pops for myself in G25 because Irish are more a source than the other way round. Icelanders just skew my results. No offence to any of these populations as I myself have some drift and I'm similar to them. If honest though they are not representative of Northwest Europe just periphery pops and I'm also periphery so I'm just giving my honest opinion. :) There is a Norwegian on Anthrogenica who always advises against using these island pops and I've taken his advice to heart and agree with him.

With English or Dutch we could start having problems, every reference has their own "behavior" when used in conjunction with other, and this is a problem wich has different origins, from the type of maths used in these statistical packages and from the references themselves and the way in collecting samples etc.

I chose the references with all of this in mind, and they seem to work quite well. In any case, we could always make a model with what you propose at another time, and it maybe will work better than this one.

No problem in using different versions with different versions.:thumb001:
08-29-2020, 04:00 AM
RyoHazuki

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 3.0984% / 0.03098422
80.4 NorthWest_Europe
19.6 SouthWest_Europe
08-29-2020, 04:40 AM
celticdragongod

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I think populations like the English and Dutch are much better representatives of Northwestern Europeans than populations like Orcadians, Shetlanders and Icelanders. These populations have not contributed to anyone's ancestry in any significant way. They are very small and drifted populations who are a mixture of Gael and Scandos. I personally remove these pops for myself in G25 because Irish are more a source than the other way round. Icelanders just skew my results. No offence to any of these populations as I myself have some drift and I'm similar to them. If honest though they are not representative of Northwest Europe just periphery pops and I'm also periphery so I'm just giving my honest opinion. :) There is a Norwegian on Anthrogenica who always advises against using these island pops and I've taken his advice to heart and agree with him.

But the Orkneys, Shetlands and Iceland would have experienced less recent population change than England and the Netherlands have over the last few hundred years. Historical events such as the Industrial Revolution may mean that the modern English and Dutch populations may have changed considerably over the last two or three centuries.
08-29-2020, 08:52 AM
Grace O'Malley

Quote:

Originally Posted by celticdragongod

But the Orkneys, Shetlands and Iceland would have experienced less recent population change than England and the Netherlands have over the last few hundred years. Historical events such as the Industrial Revolution may mean that the modern English and Dutch populations may have changed considerably over the last two or three centuries.

Yes but those island populations are small and drifted. They aren't a true representative of Northwestern Europe only the extreme periphery. Many Dutch and English are not much different that centuries ago if you get the correct samples like PoBI. English might have some Insular Celt in the woodpile but they are all Northwestern European. I'm just pointing out that the populations selected are a more extreme type and not core Northwestern European. It would be like selecting Sardinians to represent Southern Europe or the Azores to represent Southwest Europe. It is not a criticism of the calc but just an comment on the populations selected.

If I change the Northwest category with Dutch I still get this but just a higher distance.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.4590% / 0.02458997
100.0 Dutch

Gixajo wanted the extremes but the Iberian category is quite a core Southwest selection. It is his calc so he can choose what populations he wants. :thumb001:
08-30-2020, 01:40 AM
RyoHazuki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8951% / 0.01895102
100.0 NorthWest_Europe

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01895102 NorthWest_Europe
0.07492537 NorthEast_Europe
0.08516971 SouthWest_Europe
0.11791329 SouthEast_Europe

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Target: Ryo_scaled Distance: 3.2107% / 0.03210692 85.6 Dutch 14.4 SouthWest_Europe
06-27-2022, 04:00 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Simple model with new references made for the ocassion.:)

For fun.

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

NorthWest_Europe,=Shetlandic,+Icelandic,+Orcadian,
NorthEast_Europe,=Russian_Voronez,+Ukrainian,+Russian_Orel,
SouthWest_Europe,=NorthWest_Iberia,+North_Iberia,+NorthEast_Iberia ,+SouthWest_Iberia,+SouthEast_Iberia,
SouthEast_Europe=Greek:Islander(Kos+Cyrpus)+Macedonian+Greek_Centr al_Macedonia,+Greek_Thessaly

Target: Dušan_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.6030% / 0.01602977
55.6 NorthEast_Europe
36.2 SouthEast_Europe
8.2 SouthWest_Europe
06-27-2022, 05:01 PM
rothaer

Even if declared just fun this is a very good calculator as it provides a brief and stable generalized assessment for Europeans. "Sometimes less is more" is a saying in German and it applies here. IMO it's very telling and even suitable to be a kind of "gold standard" for moderns.

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.6117% / 0.01611702
46.6 NorthWest_Europe
46.0 NorthEast_Europe
7.4 SouthWest_Europe

Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 2.2206% / 0.02220620
66.6 NorthWest_Europe
33.4 NorthEast_Europe
06-27-2022, 06:36 PM
noricum

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.5000% / 0.02499955
50.4 NorthEast_Europe
21.6 NorthWest_Europe
19.0 SouthWest_Europe
9.0 SouthEast_Europe
06-28-2022, 10:21 AM
alexmegas777

Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 2.2971% / 0.02297061
49.8 SouthEast_Europe
27.0 NorthEast_Europe
21.8 SouthWest_Europe
1.4 NorthWest_Europe

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