Map of Europe showing WHG, Baltic HG, Yamnaya and Neolithic ancestry

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Originally Posted by Rethel

Nope. It is correct.



Not only can, but it is the only way to define it.
In mesolithic there were still pure CM people, pre-WHG living side by side with WHG like.

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K. Then please tell which Paleo HG mixed with EHG to produce WHG.

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Originally Posted by Petalpusher

K. Then please tell which Paleo HG mixed with EHG to produce WHG.

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I had said allready, Cromagnion, and the last stage was the Bichon-like for example.

It is known since decades, that WHG is X+EHG, but for some time it was not named what the x was. Since couple of years it is allready known, but people act, like there never was a problem, and like whg would be the original component. Is not. It reminds me R1b-Basque morons, who for long time, and some still, couldn't accept the obvious thing, that R1b is not cromagnon neither vasconic, but is Indoeuropean.

yes, very central european even though I usually get yamnaya portion over 40%


Target: cakmir7y_scaled
Distance: 0.0407% / 0.04067869
39.4 TUR_Barcin_N
39.1 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.5 Baltic_LVA_HG


Distance to: cakmir7y_scaled
0.15575646 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20341567 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.21025233 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.21496853 TUR_Barcin_N
0.25271190 Levant_PPNB
0.26112480 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.32364464 WHG
0.32941190 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.38769304 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.46304509 Jarawa
0.47976472 MAR_Taforalt
0.61159708 Han
0.61354607 Nganassan
0.61996107 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
0.65969061 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67767102 ETH_4500BP
0.73796709 Dinka
0.75303065 Gambian
0.77878699 Yoruba
0.81521876 Papuan
0.93883008 Ju_hoan_North
0.95737352 Mbuti

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Originally Posted by Rethel

I had said allready, Cromagnion, and the last stage was the Bichon-like for example.

It is known since decades, that WHG is X+EHG, but for some time it was not named what the x was. Since couple of years it is allready known, but people act, like there never was a problem, and like whg would be the original component. it is not.

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No Paleo HG makes WHG of the Villabrunian cluster an intermediate between anything, let alone any Paleo HG and EHG and that's a fact. So no it's not known for decades, we would have to find a very peculiar Paleo HG for it to happen, unlike anything found so far, we haven't found it yet and it's very unlikely it will happen at this point. That group would have had to be numerous to influence and become defacto the main parent of the whole HG cline.


https://i.postimg.cc/qqtGCvJF/Paleol...lithic-PCA.png

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Originally Posted by Petalpusher

K. Then please tell which Paleo HG mixed with EHG to produce WHG.

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early WHG like Bichon had no ANE, and late ones like Loschbour already have 5-10% ANE or EHG. he is referring to that.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

early WHG like Bichon had no ANE, and late ones like Loschbour already have 5-10% ANE or EHG. he is referring to that.

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I doubt it's his point, he s just trying to make EHG the end of all HG when it's actually the real intermediate, between WHG and ANE/AG people. We know there are all sorts of intermediate between WHG; SHG, EHG, ... and even between some Paleo and WHG, but there s nothing more removed than WHG that it would be out of the picture above and make Villabrunians intermediate as if they mixed with that ghost population and EHG.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

early WHG like Bichon had no ANE, and late ones like Loschbour already have 5-10% ANE or EHG. he is referring to that.

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Yeah that isn't his point, he's a known crazy opinion person. We know Central Italian WHGs were the purest WHGs, other WHGs had very minor ANE, Villabruna even had R1b.

He also thinks Ma'lta boy was a mulatto rather than simply proto-ANE, and thinks Scandinavian HGs have "Indo-European" admixture. ANE/EHG is WHG+something, not the other way around, whether or not ANE admixture had reached WHGs as well.

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Originally Posted by JamesBond007

Wrong, it is just that commercial DNA tests are not scientific they don't want to contradict any potentially wrong preconceived notions about customers identity they might have and G25 is amateur mentally retatarded slavic science. Alright, I am being a little too harsh on G25 but the truth is that is too fine-grained especially for modern populations.

So, who is the master of physical anthropology here ? Arguably xenophobic Prussian. He puts me in Wales/Cornwall/Devonshire Britain . So, you don't want more generalized qpAdm/admix results because it's ultra nerdy ? Perfect is the enemy of good enough :


MyTrueAncestry :

1. Southwest_English (4.205)
2. Southeast_English (4.275)
3. North_Dutch (4.390)
4. Danish (4.722)
5. West_Scottish (4.930)
6. Irish (5.014)
7. Orcadian (5.114)
8. North_German (6.151)

Ok, so the average Englishman is probably about 21 percent Celtic/Irish or whatever. However, being from SouthWest England there can be more Celtic input. MTA FTW , again:

30 % Celtic with rest various Germanic tribes e.g. Saxons, Danish vikings, Franks, Norwegian vikings etc..

Is it telling me nerd shit like how much Steppe, WHG, and Baltic HG etc...I am ? No ! However, who cares if G25 is wrong ? Ok, G25 is flexible and nerdy but not always correct so fuck it ! MTA can tell me how much I match to some samples in ancient Britain it seems , as well , but I won't paste it here.

Also , phenotype is only a subset of genes of the underlying genotype so you can't rely solely on old-school anthropology.

The truth is out there my man !

*edit , yeah go ahead clowns continue looking down your noses at MyTrueAncestry ya'll niggers is sleeping on MTA and straight trippin' *

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Individual phenotype only gives a clue of someone's ancestry: shows some ancestry components out of many others (that may be muted in him/her but displayed on descendants). The larger the group, however, the more it becomes a science...

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Originally Posted by Petalpusher

he s just trying to make EHG the end of all HG

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How end? It is just a one of separate au. That's it.

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when it's actually the real intermediate, between WHG and ANE/AG people.

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Nope. WHG and ANE are intermediate.

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We know there are all sorts of intermediate between WHG; SHG, EHG, ... and even between some Paleo and WHG,

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Yes, but it looks like that:

EHG+Bichon = WHG
WHG+EHG = SHG
EHG+AmInd = ANE
EHG+CHG = Yamna.

You can try to put it differently, but it would have no practical sense.

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Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

We know Central Italian WHGs were the purest WHGs, other WHGs had very minor ANE, Villabruna even had R1b.

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It isn't about how much it has. The fact it, that it has and that's enaugh.

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He also thinks Ma'lta boy was a mulatto rather than simply proto-ANE

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Now you are lying. Not mulatto but castizo. And this is what ANE really is.
A small castizo boy, who serves as a pattern becasue was discovered first.
You, as a person who hates much more obvious truths, will never see it.

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and thinks Scandinavian HGs have "Indo-European" admixture.

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It is not what I think, but what papers claim.
The only difference is, that I call EHG IE.

Target: An Ferbasach_scaled
Distance: 5.5944% / 0.05594434
48.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.8 TUR_Barcin_N
8.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
7.4 WHG