Vahaduo calcs vol.2

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Originally Posted by Leto

There are/were more Albanians of non-Muslim background on TA.
Kelmendasi(Albanian),18.38,20.62,24.43,8.43,24.38, 3.54,0,0.09,0,0,0.15,0,0
Roman Catholic background.

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Interesting. I renamed the average to "Albanian_Catholic_Mirdite", maybe the low Baltic is specific just for that area.
Maybe it's something even smaller, just a couple of villages, who knows

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

those are the results of the user Illyrius. more results are needed to be sure, but even if this is the lowest Baltic for this group, that would mean they are like Peloponnesians on average.

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I think he is kind of an outlier, it is unlikely that on average they are that distinct from the rest of the Albanians.

https://i.imgur.com/8QVy8ah.png

Isn't Kelmendasi partly from Montenegro?

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

incredible...they look like preserved Paleo Balkanic fossils.... :o this would prove my theory pre Slavic romanized west Balkanites were central Italian like... (...)

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Which implies containing that East Med shift (like IA Thracians and unlike IA Illyrians).

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Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

I think he is kind of an outlier, it is unlikely that on average they are that distinct from the rest of the Albanians.

https://i.imgur.com/8QVy8ah.png

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Yes, maybe they will be something like the "Greek Western Thrace" on your PCA, when more results are added. But it's hard to say until we get more results from them.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Wow, North Albanian Catholics have much lower Baltic than other Albos, they are fully practically Italian like. Are they purest Albanians/ancient Balkanites?

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9.23 of Baltic component is exremely low for Balkans indeed. But we need more samples from such people to have a proper knowledge.

If this has been shared, disregard.

An error seems to have crept into the the https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/ script. The distance is misreporting the percentage amount. Need to move the decimal point two positions.

https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25anci...es-scaled.html

Target: PLogan_scaled
Distance: 0.0199% / 0.01991149
27.2 Scotland_LIA_low_res
24.7 England_IA_EarlyMedieval
23.2 Scotland_MIA
7.7 ESP_LBA_low_res
6.3 DEU_LBK_KD
4.7 VK2020_POL_Krakow_MA
3.8 DEU_Karsdorf_LN
2.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

those are the results of the user Illyrius. more results are needed to be sure, but even if this is the lowest Baltic for this group, that would mean they are like Peloponnesians on average.

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Should we make averages based on one person though?

I would propose, if others agree as well, to replace the entire K13 ancients spreadsheet with this one:

https://pastebin.com/raw/43AZUZP1
https://pastebin.com/raw/BUEvuPUW

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

my thoughts too.

the only similar non-Italian result I found is this Greek,he seems Peloponnesian according to his surname. Even there he's almost an outlier.
Greek,25.5,9.92,22.49,13.2,22.79,3.73,0,0.28,0,1.0 8,0,1.02,0

Some groups like Tsakonians and Maniots can have low Baltic like this, but they usually have more East Med/Islander shift.
I guess he's an atypical member of one of those groups.

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The "Western Thrace" sample is Laconian ,same as the guy whose coords you posted.

Btw the most Italic/Paleobalkan(High NA and relatively lower baltic compared to other Balkaners with high NA) shifted people are found in Greece ,there probably exist many areas with such profiles.

Examples

Spoiler!

GR1,24.51,10.28,21.35,15.61,23.84,2.97,0,1.06,0,0. 39,0,0,0
GR2,25.5,9.92,22.49,13.2,22.79,3.73,0,0.28,0,1.08, 0,1.02,0
GR3,20.32,9.41,20.2,12.94,30.74,4.82,0,1.2,0.24,0, 0,0.14,0
GR4,21.06,9.38,17.32,13.91,32.15,3.28,0,0,2.15,0,0 .75,0,0
GR5,19.16,9.78,20.45,13.43,32.56,3.64,0,0,0.86,0,0 ,0,0.11
GR6,18.25,8.58,23.44,13.17,29.39,4.33,0.53,1.45,0, 0,0.2,0,0.66
GR7,20.36,9.51,22.82,13.6,27.62,4.08,0.25,1.71,0,0 ,0.06,0,0
GR8,24.29,10.54,22.39,12.82,25.44,3.8,0,0.09,0.24, 0,0,0.3,0.07
GR9,23.14,11.79,23.32,12.12,25.49,3.73,0,0,0,0.42, 0,0,0
GR10,24.31,13.59,20.53,13.74,22.19,3.33,1.88,0,0,0 ,0.1,0.33,0
GR11,23,13.61,20.68,12.42,26.04,3.15,0,0,0.2,0.82, 0.07,0,0
GR12,22.84,13.55,19.5,11.19,26.85,3.59,1.5,0.26,0, 0.22,0.5,0,0
GR13,23.68,10.71,20.78,16.39,23.74,3.28,0,1.16,0,0 ,0.26,0,0
GR14,19.21,11.7,19.33,11.08,30.35,6.2,1.19,0.22,0. 73,0,0,0,0
GR16,22.97,13.56,21.53,10.68,25.85,4.02,0.12,0,0.2 7,0,0,0.77,0.23
GR17,21.57,9.02,21.61,13.88,26.04,3.81,2.61,0.53,0 ,0.68,0,0,0.26
GR18,22.15,13.26,25.63,8.52,24.61,2.95,0,0,1.18,0, 1.02,0,0.69
GR19,18.31,6.26,21.85,20.16,25.11,6.36,0.52,0,0,0. 51,0.45,0.46,0
GR20,22.7,9.4,24.17,15.52,23.02,2.37,0,0,1.98,0.63 ,0.2,0,0
GR21,23.58,14.55,22.29,11.42,23.31,3.82,0,0.16,0,0 ,0.73,0,0.15
GR22,23.07,10.37,21.58,12.43,27.16,3.85,0,0,0,0.77 ,0.78,0,0
GR23,22.92,12.36,21.89,11.57,25.39,3.9,0.76,0.98,0 .23,0,0,0,0
GR24,23.49,13.99,20.63,9.06,27.22,3.87,0,1.06,0,0. 21,0.47,0,0
GR25,22.9,15.77,22.84,8.5,24.49,4.66,0,0,0,0.84,0, 0,0
GR26,25.09,13.08,21.08,12.21,26.21,1.84,0,0,0,0,0, 0.49,0
GR27,28.13,15.47,19.82,8.33,23.32,4.2,0,0,0,0,0.62 ,0,0.11
GR28,23.03,13.27,20.46,13.97,25.54,2.15,0.14,0,0.5 ,0,0.74,0,0.2

GR29,22.24,13.97,23,9.93,25.69,1.65,0,2.81,0,0,0.7 2,0,0
GR30,21.48,9.05,21.7,12.15,30.92,2.13,0.59,1.4,0,0 ,0,0.34,0.24
GR31,20.33,12.83,20.6,12.87,28.47,3.24,0.74,0,0,0. 24,0.68,0,0

GR32,23.53, 13.28,19.67,13.27,24.36,3.76,0.91,0.41,0,0.07,0,0. 76,0
GR33,24.61,12.09,18.36,12.84,27.14,2.84,0,0.78,0,0 .44,0.9,0,0
GR34,22.97,13.56,21.53,10.68,25.85,4.02,0.12,0,0.2 7,0,0,0.77,0.23
GR35,26.46,11.88,19.62,11.13,27.64,1.65,0,0,1.37,0 ,0.23,0,0
GR36,19.89,10.14,22.22,12.82,26.49,7.13,0.85,0,0,0 .46,0,0,0

Either there's a substrate like Logas02 or it's an Arvanite profile which for some reason differs to most Albanians.