Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

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Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443

how is that possible that north has more brown hair than south?

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We have much more black than they do.

My hair is black. Or close to it .

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Originally Posted by Comte Arnau

I don't think so. Before knowing Hoyos-Sanz's data, I already was under the personal impression that the Basque-Navarre-Aragon area was the most light-eyed in all of Iberia. When I got to know it, that just seemed to confirm it.

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I know it is. But by how much? Is the difference very large nowadays? That's what I was questioning, though I'm not very sure.

I was mostly referring to Italy btw, I've only read like one study about Spain ever. I just remember the difference between not massive, but still existant.

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Originally Posted by Reozek

France :

Évolution de la couleur des yeux des Français depuis la fin du XVIIe siècle.

1940 data -

North-east : blue 41% , gray 13% , dark 46%
Paris : blue 34% , 9 gray % , dark 57%
North-west : blue 29% , gray 20% , dark 51%
South-east : blue 25% , gray 11% , dark 64%
South-west : blue 23% , gray 14% , dark 63%

Bulgaria :

Contribution à l'étude anthropologique des bulgares

blue : 17,65%
gray : 22,59%
brown: 59,76%

plus green : 4,10%

Greece :

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0055712

14% light eyes
86% dark "

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Corsica :

Contribution à l'anthropologie des Corses : Anthropologie de la tête (suite)

dark eyes : 35,6%
intermediate : 41,8% (green [10,8%] , hazel , amber)
light : 22,6% (adding green = 33,4%)

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Originally Posted by ABest

I know it is. But by how much? Is the difference very large nowadays? That's what I was questioning, though I'm not very sure.

I was mostly referring to Italy btw, I've only read like one study about Spain ever. I just remember the difference between not massive, but still existant.

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People just can't imagine that here the north south divide originated since roman times...just look at the linguistic groups...

http://italiano.sismondi.ch/lingua/R...c_en.png/image


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...of_Dialect.jpg




...we've also the La-Spezia-Rimini line, that divide eastern from western romance languages.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rn_Romania.PNG

They're random occurrences. Light pigmentations are just more of an often occurrence in northern Europe.

Dienekes also has some more studies on Greece.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/

Coon said that southeastern Crete had the lightest and tallest Greek population. Also, he states that some mountainous areas in central Greece were a bit lighter than the Greek average, if I remember correctly. For more information just go through the articles.

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Originally Posted by Peyrol

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rn_Romania.PNG

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I love how yet another map totally disses Malta. Won't even shade them black! Just leaves them off entirely while including Tunis. lol.

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Originally Posted by ABest

Dienekes also has some more studies on Greece.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/

Coon said that southeastern Crete had the lightest and tallest Greek population. Also, he states that some mountainous areas in central Greece were a bit lighter than the Greek average, if I remember correctly. For more information just go through the articles.

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I thought that tessaliots and epiriots were the taller/lighter, while dodecanesians and cyclades the ''darker''.

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Originally Posted by Peyrol

I thought that tessaliots and epiriots were the taller/lighter, while dodecanesians and cyclades the ''darker''.

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I thought so too. Everyone I know from Epirus is blue eyed and fair, although with darker hair.