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Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley
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Don't be jealous of my red truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley
I prefer such trucks without second line of seats. So,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
no, I am not. Change as I said. Will be cool and good.
Especially ć will looks awesome.
http://i64.tinypic.com/erj4hs.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Dick
That is the pout he made after embarking to the Polish shores in contempt of the Polish pigfarmers. xD
Actually, oldest I2a1b "Dinaric" was found thousands of years earlier, in Motala12 hunter-gatherer from Sweden:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
https://i.imgur.com/SPXjt2yl.jpg
He was hoping that the goths would come out as R1. Sucks to be him. He jelly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
Poles built Bosnian Pyramids!:Quote:
Originally Posted by Europa Nazione
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-hoEoga8no
Jokes aside, the dude has a massive hole in his skull. Obviously didn't die of natural causes.
And who is the most genetically similar to Motala hunter-gatherers today?:Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012...netically.html
Also there is I2a1b from Mesolithic Lithuania, Kreutonas, close to Poland:
http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml
http://i.imgur.com/KTI8sky.png
Looks like he was executed due to the severity of the blow, without a helmet too. Not ruling out it was a battle-blow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
These guys obviously saw war all their lives.
R1's can not build anything, they are specialists for search and destroy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
maybe he didn't milk enough cows for his R1 masters. anyway he reminds me of this actorQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/ima...ine=1472422583
He did mess with R1-somebody's granma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
http://img.sadistic.pl/pics/f1777b3b962f.jpg
Becasue Motala autosomally was a mix. Not too good to make assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Are there ged kits for the Croatia and Bulgaria sample?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
Yeah. Probably had long hair and beard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Kazimiera's great babushka killed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley
Looks like a hammerblow to me. Were battlehammers used that early?
You will be taken before R1a!
Not impossible! Pyrrhus of Epirus was killed by a babushka as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Or the butt end of an axeQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
Not one or threeQuote:
Originally Posted by Europa Nazione
nobody needed
pyramyds, but
all around the
world these,
thousands
of such:
http://static1.tapetyczne.pl/big/876...n-wiezowce.jpg
This also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpIa-lcFg8g
And this:
http://www.kosmonautyka.pl/images/ko...a-iss-2011.jpg
In antiquity thousands of miles of this:
http://www.imperiumromanum.edu.pl/Zd...t_bridge_1.jpg
Thousands of this:
https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1...0HcZMFzQMgzQHC
And thousands of these:
http://www.warsawtour.pl/sites/defau...wiz.panow_.jpg
Billions of this:
http://www.komputerswiat.pl/media/20...ny_468x400.jpg
Hundrets of this for common people:
http://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuel...om-vorbild.jpg
Thousands of miles of this:
http://tomiejsce.pl/wp-content/uploa...skie-drogi.png
and this:
https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1...0CMJMFzQMCzQGx
So, really, basically
nothing so unusefull
and spectacular like
three pyramids on
the desert...
We can do that obviously too:Quote:
they are specialists for search and destroy.
http://ocs-pl.oktawave.com/v1/AUTH_2...o-1180x502.jpg
But later, after that, we do this:
https://cdn.europosters.eu/image/1300/40059.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
From http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2012...netically.html
So no, there weren't proto-Slavs.Quote:
But why is it that Poles show higher similarity to these Neolithic Scandinavians than Swedes do? Firstly, it's important to realize that the differences aren't that great. Note, for instance, that Swedes are the second most similar population to the hunter-gatherers after Poles. However, clearly, the data suggests that there had to be other population movements into Scandinavia after the late Neolithic. These also likely affected Poland, but to a lesser degree.
No one yet knows what these were exactly, but if I had to guess, I'd say the Bell Beaker folk of the Copper Age represented one of the major waves. Also, another factor might be that the hunter-gatherers tested by Skoglund et al. belonged to the Pitted Ware culture, which arrived in Scandinavia from the Eastern Baltic.
So Zborowski and Zbrojewicz and every other Z...ski/icz are Goth peasants?:
Spoiler!
And this makes clear, why they did have IE admix.Quote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
Of course not. They were Non-Indo-Europeans obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
Here he goes again... Poles this, Poles that. Poles R1a nobility ruling over I/J peasants, now Poles are at the same time "conquering IE nobility" and "oldest European hunter-gatherers"? Better tell me what you guys aren't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
No, by the time of this article Motala genomes were not yet known (some other HGs were though), and I already explained fallacy behind those "admixutre charts". Face it, you are not functionally close to native Europeans, you do not look like them at all, you do not have any direct line towards them, and you do not descend from them, period.
And? There is I2a1b in northern France, on Gotland, in Sweden, in Loschbour, in Neolithic Germany and it evidently dominated pre-Bronze Age Britain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
But it's not about that. It's about being I2a1b "Dinaric" (L147.2). And none of those are Dinaric, except Motala12 sample.
And you can clearly see that this sample is most probably I2a1b1, which is "Isles", and it split away from "Disles" (and Dinaric, which is its child-clade) a very long time ago.
Uff...Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
Not at the same time. In Mesolithic times we were hunter-gatherers, in the Bronze Age we were IE nobility. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
Those were two DIFFERENT TIMES. Remember, that IE nobility was descended mostly from hunter-gatherers.
You know very well what I meant. Of course everyone on Earth was hunter-gatherer back in then, but see, you were in easternmost Europe back in then, and for most of Upper Palaeolithic you weren't even in any part of Europe. What I meant is that you are definitely not related to main European hunter-gatherers (Cro-Magnons) like Motala, to which you have no connection because of aforementioned reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
IE "nobility" (lmao) was an intrusive element, not native one.
Ancient Greeks were polacks too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
I have more matching segments with Neolithic Greeks, than do modern Greeks: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...-Greek-genomes
^^^ That explains a lot:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4213680
If you are talking about this ficional long as hell period ofQuote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
time, then you also were not here according to the same
thesis for almost a half of that period. So... But of course
it is not a real thing, so, it is meaningless.
According to the same thesis on which you are making this claim, everybody was Cro.Quote:
What I meant is that you are definitely not related to main European hunter-gatherers (Cro-Magnons)
Ubfortuinatly for you, Motala has IE autosomal admix.Quote:
like Motala,
And this is the point of his!Quote:
IE "nobility" (lmao) was an intrusive element,
You are not native too, becasue C1 were before you,Quote:
not native one.
and before them - neanderthals. So what's your point?
I don't get it, what is so amazing in being in Europe, when europe did not existed yet, becasue Europe was created by IEs.
It is generally meaningless, but native IE land it is half
of Europe, whole Eastern European Plain, plus some
border lands like Ciscaucasia, Österland, Romania...
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...3&d=1493623769
all-in who is kurdish has even more. then ancient greeks should look like Kurds by your logic. don't be biased broQuote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Come on, we are running over this exactly same discussion every now and then. It's getting boring to be honest.
"Fictional period"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley
Since when does Rethel follow autosomal? This is historic event. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley
Both male and female lineage of Motala are not IE, and even going by autosomal, they are still 80%+ native western HGs. Besides, I already explained why autosomal "admixture charts", especially comparisons of modern population with ancient DNA, are (atleast for now) meaningless and inaccurate.
C1 was not in Europe before I. There were some C1 samples found in Palaeolithic Europe indeed, but so were I-M170 found in same age. It is clear to anyone with brain that C1 is not native, since it can be literally found over half of globe, heck, even in Australian Aborigines, while I-M170 is out of all haplogroups obviously the one most connected to Europe, with percentages outside of it being very weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley
Plus, Cro-Magnon lithic industry is merely a small refinement of Neanderthal Levallois one. Many anthropologists as well, such as Milford Wolpoff, spoken in favor of continuity in Europe.
Yes, proto-IE did live in eastern Europe, but starting from Late Mesolithic/Neolithic. R1 originates in Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley
Note that I am not saying they are not European racially. IE are perfectly Europoid/Caucasoid in racial sense. Their ancestors just didn't always live in Europe, that's all.
You guys need to take those autosomals & matching segments with a grain of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by mongrel
All of this is autism, to me only haplogroups matter and I stand by my word.
i dont take seriously it's just to satisfy curiosity. for reliable results we would need full genome sequencingQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
They are accurate as fuck, man. You just turned out Tosk, homie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Boss
Becasue you do not know what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
Exactly. 50.000 years from nowhere.Quote:
"Fictional period"...
Since always, when it is use there, when it should be. I do not said,Quote:
Since when does Rethel follow autosomal? This is historic event. xD
that they were IEs, BUT that they had IE au admix. It suggest, that
if Motalans were in contact with IEs, then they cannot be taken as
racial pattern, and that IEs had to be somewhere around.
I didn't see it.Quote:
I already explained why autosomal "admixture charts", especially comparisons of modern population with ancient DNA, are (atleast for now) meaningless and inaccurate.
But in european context it is about two characteristic clades.Quote:
C1 was not in Europe before I. There were some C1 samples found in Palaeolithic Europe indeed, but so were I-M170 found in same age. It is clear to anyone with brain that C1 is not native, since it can be literally found over half of globe, heck, even in Australian Aborigines,
Today, where majority of it comes from 2-3 guys whoQuote:
while I-M170 is out of all haplogroups obviously the one most connected to Europe, with percentages outside of it being very weak.
were lucky to not be slaughtered during R1-honfoglalás.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cd13tpMUUAAFFJR.jpgQuote:
Plus, Cro-Magnon lithic industry is merely a small refinement of Neanderthal Levallois one. Many anthropologists as well, such as Milford Wolpoff, spoken in favor of continuity in Europe.
It is not known, but considering the fact, that everythingQuote:
Yes, proto-IE did live in eastern Europe, but starting from Late Mesolithic/Neolithic.
before Bronze Age is couple of hundrets of years, they
were there since the beginning. Wrong fictional datations
are not mine problem, but even if they first came from
Syberia, it is not problem, becasue we are a tribe, not
poteotes who definy theselves by place of growing.
Yes, as all haplogroups. The I too.Quote:
R1 originates in Asia.
Ok. This is everything what I want :)Quote:
Note that I am not saying they are not European racially. IE are perfectly Europoid/Caucasoid in racial sense. Their ancestors just didn't always live in Europe, that's all.
But considering the fact, how many R1 are found allready in the eastern Europe
it would be very strange of they would not be locals. Irkutsk seems to be just a
far outpost of some hunters, just like Villabruna and Malataverne. These could be
just lost hunters on the trek after their prey.
You're more Tosk % though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
It's enough with this shit, you are highlighting this like fuck lately.
Dude, youre not Ilyrian.
Funny how me and Ylla got the highest out of everyone. First it didnt work for me, but when i used 40cm it started working so you started complaining that i used only 40. So had it up to 50 to shut your Tosk ass up. And I got more than you there too lol... now youre claiming its bullshit.
When i got highest steppe on k36 than you all bitches you started saying its bullshit there too. Hhahahahaha hahaha hahahaha
Dude, youre jealous im more Gheg and Northern. I even get more northern Albania than you and Montenegro, Kosovo.
Yeah good, happy now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena
Why is that funny? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena