If this one is from Republic, clearly have ancestry from the south with so high West Asian, weird results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
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If this one is from Republic, clearly have ancestry from the south with so high West Asian, weird results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Maybe both have some kind of Jewish ancestry? Unless that's a false match altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
JA8090639 is pure Russian, the one with 46% Baltic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
DN1116786, the one with 39% Baltic and 9% South Asian, has a full Roma as the closest match and then Ukrainians. With his results he is probably 1-2/4 Roma and the rest Ukrainian.
Yes, most likely from the South if it's from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
85cM is a lot for the results that he's getting first of all, but secondly Jews have a strong founder effect, so he should have been covered in Jewish matches with the same length of shared segments, which is not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
This one, who gets 45% Baltic, has a 83cM match, so 3rd cousin, in West Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
His second closest match, at 37.5cM is also Ukrainian and so are those at 20cM.
His 3rd cousin
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.76
2 North_Atlantic 22.34
3 West_Med 12.83
4 West_Asian 6.78
5 East_Med 6.76
6 South_Asian 2.69
7 East_Asian 1.47
8 Sub-Saharan 0.86
9 Siberian 0.21
10 Amerindian 0.14
11 Red_Sea 0.11
12 Oceanian 0.05
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 5.74
2 Southwest_Russian 6.16
3 Ukrainian_Belgorod 6.26
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.49
5 Russian_Smolensk 7.67
6 Estonian_Polish 7.93
7 Polish 8.3
8 South_Polish 8.38
9 Belorussian 9.29
10 Kargopol_Russian 10.22
11 Croatian 10.31
12 Erzya 10.98
13 Lithuanian 11.92
14 Moldavian 12.13
15 Estonian 13.92
16 Hungarian 15.76
17 East_Finnish 15.78
18 Finnish 16.01
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.28
20 East_German 17.92
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 7.7% Sardinian @ 4.3
2 93.2% Southwest_Russian + 6.8% Sardinian @ 4.69
3 82.8% Lithuanian + 17.2% Cyprian @ 5.02
4 74.6% Lithuanian + 25.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.09
5 68% Lithuanian + 32% Bulgarian @ 5.11
6 50.5% Lithuanian + 49.5% Moldavian @ 5.12
7 78.2% Lithuanian + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 5.14
8 93.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 6.4% Moroccan @ 5.15
9 76.6% Southwest_Russian + 23.4% Moldavian @ 5.16
10 93.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 6.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.17
11 75.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 24.3% Moldavian @ 5.18
12 93.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 6.3% Tunisian @ 5.21
13 59.2% Ukrainian + 40.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.22
14 90.5% Estonian_Polish + 9.5% Armenian @ 5.24
15 80.1% Lithuanian + 19.9% South_Italian @ 5.25
16 93.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 6.3% Algerian @ 5.25
17 78.8% Lithuanian + 21.2% East_Sicilian @ 5.27
18 90.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 9.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.27
19 80.9% Ukrainian + 19.1% Erzya @ 5.27
20 93.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 6.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.28
The person with 36% Baltic also is related to the same West Ukrainian. The full Moldovan? Ukrainian from above had a relationship of 83cM, while this one of 74cM. Still, that's by far his closest match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
So this guy's family was at a minimum mixed with one Ukrainian very recently.
The surname of the Ukrainian cousin is Kolomiychenko btw. You can see it if you'll search by email.
https://i.imgur.com/gkcuQ6v.png
Then prolly an American with some Romanian ancestry, like 1/4 Romanian for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Based on all samples from Republic who were posted here, can be observed a clearly invisible line who radically change the results in southern areas compared to the areas northern of this line.
The red line I made based on these results and their geographic location.
https://sun9-10.userapi.com/c206724/...fNWvyYs4xc.jpg
Compare with the ethnic map of the country.
https://sun9-25.userapi.com/c206724/...ZdViFRRtwE.jpg
Yes, I agree with that, because now I have proof. Can't be Romanian from Romania though at this strength of the relationship. 83cM is so much that it's not even from the other side of the country, but very close by, like 50km or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Gagauz average
North_Atlantic 19.35
Baltic 23.14
West_Med 17.99
West_Asian 12.57
East_Med 21.48
Red_Sea 2.9
South_Asian 0.52
East_Asian 0.25
Siberian 0.69
Amerindian 0.40
Oceanian 0.64
Northeast_African 0.06
Sub-Saharan 0.00
Proof of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Guy from the south. I forgot about him. I have all four surnames of his grandparents.
Spoiler!
Population:
North_Atlantic 20.92 Pct
Baltic 28.56 Pct
West_Med 14.80 Pct
West_Asian 9.67 Pct
East_Med 22.16 Pct
Red_Sea 0.86 Pct
South_Asian 1.64 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.64 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.75 Pct
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.96
2 Romanian 6.65
3 Serbian 8.19
4 Moldavian 11.49
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.97
6 Croatian 14.04
7 Hungarian 14.84
8 Austrian 18.68
9 Tuscan 19.57
10 Central_Greek 19.7
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.81
12 Italian_Abruzzo 19.9
13 East_German 20.1
14 North_Italian 20.44
15 South_Polish 20.46
16 Ukrainian 20.72
17 East_Sicilian 20.83
18 Ashkenazi 20.96
19 West_Sicilian 21.12
20 Southwest_Russian 22.83
And here's the proof:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
The next kit from R. Moldova that I was looking at, QY8192067, was also matching the same Anglo at 3rd cousin level.
So I dug deeper, by looking him up with the email. There, I found another kit, which is probably a distant cousin of his that he asked to test to research this side of his family.
Surname Aldea
North_Atlantic 19.20 Pct
Baltic 26.97 Pct
West_Med 17.98 Pct
West_Asian 13.72 Pct
East_Med 17.17 Pct
Red_Sea 0.71 Pct
South_Asian 1.21 Pct
East_Asian 0.13 Pct
Siberian 2.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.16 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.65 Pct
Going by the distance that the guy is getting with the 2 Moldovan kits, (QY8192067 - 31% Baltic, 83cM and CZ7344575 - 33% Baltic, 72cM) they are all from the same country first of all and secondly their ancestors lived closely.
At least these 3 guys are ethnic Romanian/Moldovan.
So far we have the following situation.
Confirmed unmixed
ZW2326107 - 31%, close match with a certain Moraru who scores like Cahul and Stefan Voda samples, with a very non-Romanian but popular in R. Moldova forename (whom I emailed to see if he's actually from here)
QY8192067 - 31%
CZ7344575 - 33%
Russian
JA8090639
Ukrainian
JR6490623
Ukrainian mixed
GG5842270 - 36%, 3rd cousin Ukrainian, probably a halfie with a Moldovan
DN1116786 - 39%, Full Ukrainian with likely Roma grandparent
I've still got 2 more kits to look at:
CM2678489
JR2297171
https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=r...iewnume&id=687Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
That is significant more southern than Moldavian average on Gedmatch. How is this possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Because in that list with unmixed Moldavians exist persons from south of the country (except two) who are very southern, if I will remove them, the results will be visible more northern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
For this guy, the closest match starts at 22cM, which is ok because not a lot of people from R. Moldova are on GEDmatch. At least this kind of confirms that he's not mixed with East Slavs or is from Romania.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
The last guy is also mixed recently with Ukrainians, 63cM match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Confirmed unmixed
ZW2326107 - 31%, close match with a certain Moraru who scores like Cahul and Stefan Voda samples, with a very non-Romanian but popular in R. Moldova forename (whom I emailed to see if he's actually from here)
QY8192067 - 31%
CZ7344575 - 33%
CM2678489 - 30%
Full Russian
JA8090639 - 46%, no close matches, but lots of Russian matches at average distance - 30cM
Full Ukrainian
JR6490623 - 45% , matches a Ukrainian at 83cM, 3rd cousin
Ukrainian mixed
GG5842270 - 36%, 3rd cousin Ukrainian, 74cM, probably a halfie with a Moldovan
DN1116786 - 39%, Full Ukrainian with likely Roma grandparent, closest match is a full Roma at 48cM, then Ukrainians
JR2297171 - 30% Mixed Ukrainian, 63cM Ukrainian match
I'll add all the samples to our list and those 4 samples will be put in the unmixed category.
Only 4 out of 9 samples that were used to make the average on GEDmatch are full Moldovans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Serbian woman from central Serbia with similar Baltic, Red_Sea, East_Asian, Amerinian, Oceanian and Northeast_African score as that average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
1 Baltic 28.3
2 North_Atlantic 26.61
3 West_Med 18.06
4 East_Med 16.92
5 West_Asian 6.23
6 Red_Sea 1.57
7 East_Asian 0.96
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Oceanian 0.42
10 Northeast_African 0.35
Looks more like a Ukrainian to me but I don't mind xoxols being called Russians ;) :swlQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Is he a Moldovan Russian?
Unfortunately, I don't have the Stefan Voda kits on GEDmatch yet, but they should score pretty closely to the Gagauz, with some exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Here's how they model on G25.
https://i.imgur.com/mDjHkrv.png
No idea, because all the kits that were provided didn't have names nor emails, but his close matches are Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Do you understand what many people in the south have some visible Bulgarian/Gagauz ancestry? I know people from that region, and some of them have very mixed ancestry. And their southern results very well correlate with presence of these ethnicities in that area. If their ancestry is older, 3-4 generations or more, and they indentify as Moldavians, you cant remove them because of their mixed origins, they will pass as unmixed ones, many have Moldavian surnames, not foreign ones, like the guy Zamaneagra from the list who score high East Med. In that region, based on results, was formed a separate genetic cluster. If in the north were live many Ukrainians you will find people who score 36-38 Baltic, same scenario will see in the southern area, but with the opposite effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
This, who knows how many have mixed with Bugeac minorities in the past. For example, the Puls guy from Cahul that me and my mom are the closest to on MyHeritage has distant German roots. Puls itself is a German surname and we know that some Germans were settled in Transnistria and Bugeac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
And here's a guy from Chisinau, but with ancestry in Southern R. Moldova, with Gagauz, Bulgarian and Moldovan ancestry.
He scores only 2.9% Eastern Euro, so his Moldovan ancestry is probably very similar to Gagauz and Bulgarian, because I score 43.5% for example and my profile seems average for the Central region.
Long faces aren't uncommon, probably in your area short-faced people are more common. Romanians are mesocephalic on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Yes, Romanians frequently pass well as Italians. Most are indistinguishable from them if they speak fluently the language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
It's not like Romanians dress like Russian gopniks, even most Russians don't dress like that. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Actually, from my observations Romanians have a better sense of style than our neighboring Hungarians, who mostly seem like they don't really care how they look like.
Yes, they do, and I have to admit it's noticeable difference. They dress very tasteful and stylish, both young men and women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeduard
If anyone's interested
Too bad Zmey is not here, his presence will be very useful, I don't understand why he was banned.
He was banned at around the same time as artsi. Maybe it was his alt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Zmey is not the level of artsi, I now him very well on this forum. He is pro-Romanian by the way, but not so hardcore like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I see. I never got to know him, as I rarely came to the forum in the past years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Zmey Gorynych is permanently banned? What was the reason?
Stefan Voda kits are in ;).
Thanks to the person who uploaded them.
I thought Stefan Voda was a person, lol
The results are almost identical to Gagauz.
Yes, and they are all Romanians/Moldovans from this villageQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jf06lCpAjs
By the way, the song in the beginning sounds very Bulgarian, even though it's sung in Romanian. That's not typical. Perhaps there's something to this.
Gagauz are ridiculous people. Why are they obsessed with Russians and the Russian language? They aren't even anywhere close to the Russian border.
I think they should be Romanianized/Moldovanized and become part of the nation they live in.
Aspirin, you should listen to the mayor speaking about the history of the village and people from 8:25.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul