Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

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Originally Posted by altaic

Example; Bulgarian, predicted 4th cousin 0.26% DNA shared, 1 segment

https://i.ibb.co/zrFSvDZ/4th-cous.jpg

Example; Polish, predicted 4th cousin 0.25% DNA shared, 3 segment

https://i.ibb.co/vHyfsKB/4th-cous-pol.jpg

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Maybe you should ask her if she has some Eastern Anatolian ancestry. If she doesn't have any, the connection can be related with a minor Balkan Turkish ancestry.

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Originally Posted by harutsafaryan07

southern Armenians

Distance to: Armenian_Syunik1
1.53987012 Armenian_Karabakh
2.79622960 Armenian_East
3.56719778 Armenian_West
4.48209772 Armenian_Iran
4.83397352 Turk_East
5.71149718 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.76897738 Assyrian_North
5.84350066 Azeri_Jew
6.03109443 Assyrian_West
6.27377080 Assyrian_South
7.39818897 Georgia_Jews
7.76786972 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.93894829 Greek_Pontus
8.18399658 Turk_Ahiska
9.03311131 Zaza
9.07771998 Iranian_Jew
9.18456314 Hemshin
9.65304097 Mandean
10.20839361 Iraqi_Jew
10.25249726 Laz
10.70719384 Greek_Cappadocia
10.76994893 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.90787330 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.20471329 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.34628133 Turkmen_Iraq


Distance to: Armenian_Syunik2
1.65526433 Armenian_Karabakh
3.76581996 Armenian_East
4.51986725 Armenian_West
4.77171877 Armenian_Iran
5.58227552 Azeri_Jew
5.66316166 Assyrian_North
5.85697874 Turk_East
5.88979626 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.26868407 Assyrian_West
6.30689305 Assyrian_South
6.34290943 Georgia_Jews
7.97712354 Turk_Ahiska
8.33943044 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.61838732 Greek_Pontus
8.81287694 Zaza
8.82767806 Iranian_Jew
9.13465380 Hemshin
9.33777811 Mandean
10.18700152 Iraqi_Jew
10.22987781 Laz
10.65611092 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.80040740 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.02356113 Kurd_KAZ
11.15681406 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.26661440 Turkmen_Iraq


Distance to: Armenian_Syunik3
2.75633815 Armenian_Karabakh
3.94693552 Armenian_East
4.02090786 Armenian_West
4.76034663 Turk_East
5.62919177 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.87711664 Assyrian_North
6.01665189 Assyrian_West
6.02870633 Azeri_Jew
6.26890740 Armenian_Iran
6.34225512 Assyrian_South
8.52705694 Zaza
8.78958475 Georgia_Jews
8.97556683 Iranian_Jew
9.04313552 Greek_Pontus
9.05046960 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.44181127 Turk_Ahiska
9.44829085 Mandean
10.03760928 Greek_Cappadocia
10.04322159 Iraqi_Jew
10.28210582 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.32582200 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.61559702 Turkmen_Iraq
10.67800543 Hemshin
10.87519195 Turk_Central_East
10.89958256 Nusayri_Turkey


Distance to: Armenian_Syunik4
2.04107815 Armenian_Karabakh
2.65652028 Armenian_East
4.03518277 Turk_East
4.25386883 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.67897425 Armenian_Iran
5.03472939 Armenian_West
6.85558896 Azeri_Jew
6.87078598 Assyrian_North
7.20325621 Assyrian_West
7.28454528 Turk_Ahiska
7.41464767 Assyrian_South
7.81478087 Georgia_Jews
8.09549257 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.32878743 Zaza
8.65505055 Greek_Pontus
9.41976645 Hemshin
9.95698750 Iranian_Jew
10.04947760 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.33187785 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.36968177 Laz
10.45817384 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.49602782 Mandean
11.05386810 Turk_Central_East
11.06306016 Turkmen_Iraq
11.10422442 Kurd_KAZ

and Armenian ancestors from Naxcivan

Gedrosia 21.54
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.53
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.11
North_European 6.26
South_Asian 0.63
East_African 0.14
Southwest_Asian 13.41
East_Asian -
Caucasus 46.30
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Armenian_Naxcivan
4.03806885 Armenian_Karabakh
4.60674505 Turk_East
5.67029982 Armenian_East
5.91065986 Zaza
6.78958762 Armenian_West
7.45157030 Azeri_Jew
7.64767285 Assyrian_North
7.81487044 Armenian_Iran
7.92750276 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.15984681 Assyrian_West
8.19308245 Assyrian_South
8.33833317 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.71142927 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.80580490 Kurd_KAZ
9.07489945 Turk_Ahiska
9.24381415 Turkmen_Iraq
9.36900742 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.97403629 Kurd_Sorani
9.97968937 Iranian_Jew
10.03257694 Azerbaijani
10.06412440 Mandean
10.30562953 Georgia_Jews
10.42894530 Turk_Southeast
10.68020599 Turk_East_Black_Sea

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Interesting results. What is the main difference between the various Armenian groups? Also do you have Armenian kits from south of lake Van?

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Originally Posted by Thracian

Maybe you should ask her if she has some Eastern Anatolian ancestry. If she doesn't have any, the connection can be related with a minor Balkan Turkish ancestry.

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Matches between Balkan Turks and Eastern Anatolians are usually connected with Celali Rebellion in my experience.

Turkmens from the region were expelled, the ones who had stayed ended up with being Zaza or Kurdish.

Very interesting result from Satsurblia Cave(Georgia), over 13000 years ago!

Y-DNA: J1 FT33726

Gedrosian: 38.87 Pct
Siberian: -
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: -
North_European: 9.81 Pct
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: -
Caucasian: 47.87 Pct
Sub-Saharan: 1.87 Pct

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Very interesting result from Satsurblia Cave(Georgia), over 13000 years ago!

Y-DNA: J1 FT33726

Gedrosian: 38.87 Pct
Siberian: -
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: -
North_European: 9.81 Pct
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: -
Caucasian: 47.87 Pct
Sub-Saharan: 1.87 Pct

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Sub Saharan African always turns up in ancient samples. That is because of the quality of the samples. When the calculators can't assign certain genes it automatically gets assigned to SSA.


The more archaic the samples are the more common ancestry to other roups that is natural. At one point Eurasians and SSA had a common origin .

Another possibility is that Satsurbila like ancestry reached South Asia (very likely) and Sub Saharan Africa.

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Originally Posted by Demhat

Sub Saharan African always turns up in ancient samples. That is because of the quality of the samples. When the calculators can't assign certain genes it automatically gets assigned to SSA.


The more archaic the samples are the more common ancestry to other roups that is natural. At one point Eurasians and SSA had a common origin .

Another possibility is that Satsurbila like ancestry reached South Asia (very likely) and Sub Saharan Africa.

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The interesting point was that 13000 years ago someone in Georgia had North European, not the SSA. Normally this region shouldn’t show North European but this person were probably influenced by northern neighbors.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

The interesting point was that 13000 years ago someone in Georgia had North European, not the SSA. Normally this region shouldn’t show North European but this person were probably influenced by northern neighbors.

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9% North European is perfectly normal for modern Georgia.

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Originally Posted by Leto

9% North European is perfectly normal for modern Georgia.

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But for a person who lived 13000 years ago?

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

But for a person who lived 13000 years ago?

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CHG already has EHG shift, while Iran_NEO has southern shift (AASI and Natufian)

Another ancient result from nowadays Kazakhstan(3700-300 years ago). I would say obviously no Turkic/preTurkic but too weird for early IE? Maybe some kind of steppe, or?

Botai culture:

Gedrosian: 20.02 Pct
Siberian: 29.44 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: -
North_European: 47.01 Pct
South_Asian: 3.17 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: -
Caucasian: -
SSA: 0.37 Pct