Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Whatever. Point is that there are many full Croats both from south and north who score similar or more Eastern European as I do.

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Of course there are, but they are mixed(be it recent or going centuries back) like you.All croats with high EE(40-50%+) are due to mixing with northern croats/slovenians to different degrees and can be modeled as such.There's no separate chakavian/shtokavian/kajkavian on 23andme , they are based on population references.

Bosnians + 10% pannonian slav equals 'very slavic dalmatian' cluster.


It is obvious to anyone trained in basic math, the admixture did not puff out of thin air, nor some ancient population survived largely unmixed there, especially when you're surrounded by slovenians, north croats and bosnians.

These were my original breakdowns no ACD but just to show changes.

Target: Grace
Distance: 181.4299% / 1.81429936
49.2 West_Scottish
48.0 Norwegian
2.8 Tabassaran

k15

Target: Grace
Distance: 358.1146% / 3.58114622
73.4 West_Scottish
25.8 West_Norwegian
0.8 Chechen

EU Test

Target: Grace
Distance: 2.3459% / 2.34586437
64.4 Scottish
32.8 South_&_Central_Swedish
2.8 German

With update

K15 has definitely improved and also showing ACD 0.25

Target: Grace
Distance: 2.7843% / 2.78434429 | ADC: 0.25x
64.0 Irish
19.0 Danish
15.2 West_Scottish
1.8 Chechen

Target: Grace
Distance: 2.7629% / 2.76288358
52.8 Irish
25.8 West_Scottish
18.8 Danish
2.2 Chechen
0.2 Estonian
0.2 Karitiana

The K13 in the breakdown hasn't really improved for me.

Target: Grace
Distance: 1.7587% / 1.75867011 | ADC: 0.25x
51.0 Norwegian
47.6 Scottish
1.4 Tabassaran

Target: Grace
Distance: 1.7339% / 1.73387774
50.8 Norwegian
47.2 Scottish
2.0 Tabassaran

EU Test

Target: Grace
Distance: 2.4407% / 2.44073450 | ADC: 0.25x
53.4 Scottish
28.4 South_&_Central_Swedish
16.2 Orcadian
2.0 Georgian

Target: Grace
Distance: 2.3459% / 2.34586437
64.4 Scottish
32.8 South_&_Central_Swedish
2.8 Georgian

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

You could say that. But Bosnian muslims spoke ikavian in masses until recently. It was dominant dialect among them.
Among Serbs ikavian is present only in areas such as Kupres and small village or two in Dalmatian Hinterland where they were in contact with Croat majority.

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According to Pavle Ivić reflexes of yat has clearly distinguished in 14th century which is 700 years after so called Slavic migration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavle_Ivić

According to Josip Lisac ikavian was formed in 13th century from jekavian, and jekavian is formed in 10th ventury from old Slavic yat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Lisac

We can't speak about ikavian, ijekavian, jekavian or ekavian in early middle age, for sure. That was created few centuries after so called Slavic migration when yat was brocken.


Except Kupres field, and some parts of Dalmatia Orthodox Serbs have/had ikavian reflex of around Livno, Duvno, in Podvlašić, and Azbukovica and Rađevina in western Serbia http://zsrbija.blogspot.com/2016/01/ikavica.html
That is in the last 100-150 years, we don't know what was before. In 19th century Ivan Antunović mentioned Orthodox ikavians in Mrkopalj in Gorski Kotar. They are not recorded in recent time, and that means or they converted on Catholicism or lost ikavian speech.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

https://i.imgur.com/Gj7s2YE.png

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What is South Croat Morlach Cluster consists of and is any other Serb has that as close distance?

For K13 Kurds Iran and Iraq

Kurd_Iran,4,2.22,7.31,39.88,31.03,4.36,9.29,0,0.99 ,0.19,0,0.03,0.54
Kurd_Sorani,2.98,4.22,6.58,38,30.5,6.66,8.45,0.41, 0.76,0.66,0.24,0.72,0.27

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

What is South Croat Morlach Cluster consists of and is any other Serb has that as close distance?

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Feiichy posted a list of samples she used a few pages ago, and yes, it's close to Serbs in general

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

What is South Croat Morlach Cluster consists of and is any other Serb has that as close distance?

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I get it as the #1 referrence now. It's pretty similar to the new Serbian average based on forum.poreklo members.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

The term was initially used for a Vlach pastoralist community in the mountains of Croatia in the second half of the 14th until the early 16th century. Later, when the community straddled the Venetian–Ottoman border in the 17th century, it referred to Slavic-speaking, mainly Eastern Orthodox, and to a lesser degree Roman Catholic people.

The etymology of the exonym points to a connection with Vlachs, but as stated in Fortis' work Travels in Dalmatia, they were at that time Slavic-speaking. Because of migrations from various parts of the Balkans, the name had passed to later communities.

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wasn't Morlachs used for all inhabitants of the Dalmatian hinterland, no matter their social class? and Bunjevci were a specific Vlach group within Morlachs. Morlacco means fighting bull in Spanish btw, and it's also used as an insult.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

No, it there is no illyrian in roman study, i remember well when they added that north_italian like sample to g25 and it was the same old j2b2 bronze age one, renamed under iron_Age, check for yourself, i repeat: there is no illyrian sample as of now in existence.Also, yes that russian plotting one was indeed Iron Age and a female.
I also mention that its irrelevant either way( because you are changing the subject), as modern population cannot be modeled using 2 ancient pure ones, as a matter of fact its enough to check the ydnas/mtdna charts to see how delusional you are.

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No, it isn't a same samole as J2b2 is more north shifted (it is Croatia MBA). Nice try though.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

DAI was written before Nemanjić times, Zahumlje was ruled independently by Višević at the time

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I wonder why Serbs left nothing there. Croats left in Croatia, Branimir's stone and Bascanska Table both contain name Croat, in Zahumlje there is nothing of the sort which includes name Serb.