Scaled:
0.04086925 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Unscaled:
0.02803924 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
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Scaled:
0.04086925 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Unscaled:
0.02803924 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Soy débil, al final exporté los raw data de 23andme a ADNtro.:picard1:
Como estoy obligado por una cuestión puntual, a salir de mi baticueva para trabajar con otras personas aproximadamente humanas, mañana por la mañanita me harán otro tipo de test.
Mi primer test PCR!!!
Dejarás al fin de ser virgen por detrás!Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Most Europeans are if you're able to trace your family tree far back enough. Portugal has some of the best records online and my parents' home town go back to 1602. Most of my family was overwhelmingly from a small region, and not well off especially on my father's side. On my mother's side though, her great granduncle was a viscount, and my 6th great grandfather was a morgado. Through them I can trace my heritage to royal bastards and mediaeval kings from all over Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso
Eith the entailment of titles and estates usually only the eldest son inherited the estate. Younger sons would join the military, go to colonies, or join the high clergy as bishops. One of my 8th great-grandmother's brother became a engenho in Brazil and even captain of Pernambuco. Another great-great-etc uncle was a captain whom received the Order of Christ for the reconquest of Mombasa in 1728. Daughters were expected to marry well, and my grandmother's family seems to have lost most of their wealth in the Napoleonic Wars when the Ribatejo was occupied by the French in 1807 and 1808. One set of my great-grandparents in that side were still large landholder, but they divided their holdings amongst the 6 children.
With the help of others in the town we went through every single record of births, deaths and weddings in the village between 1602 and 1911. The town family tree now has some 11,000 people on it, despite only having 2,000 inhabitants. And before you ask, yes it was quite common before trains for people to marry second, third and fourth cousins. That is why I have a few 10th great grandparents where I am descended from every single one of their children. First cousin marriages, howrver were rarer and reserved for the wealthy, as they required dispensation from the papal núncio in Lisbon.
Pues no sé como será por detrás, pero desde luego, por la nariz, es bastante desagradable...Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Aprovecho la ocasión, para saludar a toda mi familia, y para deciros, que pese a que ADNtro es una empresa basada en España, no parece que sus resultados, sean ahora mismo, muy fiables...:picard1:
Supongo que irán actualizando sus bases de datos de poblaciones o lo que sea.
:eek:
https://i.imgur.com/GOuG772.png
Eu son galego!!!
https://i.imgur.com/rRHOrWX.png
Haplotipos correctos, pero tampoco se han esforzado mucho.
https://i.imgur.com/ytxTSjK.png
Y lo de neandertal/denisovano, como curiosidad, pero de todo será lo menos fiable.
https://i.imgur.com/i6QJONM.png
Aparte de eso, cosas como lo de estornudar con el chocolate amargo, el pelo de la espalda y así, que te dicen todos.
Supongo que como individuo con mezcla Norte y Sur de la península, será difícil atribuirme unos orígenes muy precisos, pero es la primera vez que me dan unos resultados semejantes.Con diferencia, los más distintos de todos.
Lo que comenté, poquito a poco irán mejorando, si es que la empresa, que es bastante nueva, se mantiene en el mercado.
Double.
Como me cambia el resultado utilizando escaladas y no escaladas con la misma calculadora, pero el africano resulta más creíble y acorde con el Gedmatch.
Target: Juan
Distance: 2.1508% / 0.02150820
55.0 Farmer
30.8 Steppe
8.4 Africa
5.8 WHG
Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.5087% / 0.03508710
52.4 Farmer
30.8 Steppe
10.2 WHG
6.6 Africa
Hi guys!! I registered in this forum long time ago but it's my first message.
I published my results in AG about DNANTRO, in my case very weird... (I obtained more british than iberian, it isn't possible)
I received also Ethnogene report two days ago, I must say that these are probably the best results I have ever obtained.
Regards!!
post them!Quote:
Originally Posted by rober_tce
Welcome! Post all the results you got my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by rober_tce
Quote:
Originally Posted by BirdMan
So, your ancestor was Cristóbal Colón... You are probably (if what you say it is true) the best linaje (you belong to the most relevant family) in the Americas. And one of the most important linajes in Spain (and Europe, since the Casa de Alba is related today with the Kings of Scotland).
Don´t say it too loud or you will have many "demostrators" in front of your house trying to pull off your statues, your furniture and your family pictures.
Lástima perder la línea paterna de Pelayo (al hijo se lo cargó un oso, o eso dice la leyenda), pero creo q Pelayo tb tuvo una hija, así que por ese lado debe haber descendientes. Lo que es raro es no saber en dónde está enterrado Pelayo, siendo que fue tan increíblemente conocido en sus tiempos alguien debió escribir sobre su vida y sobre dónde están sus restos. Si se conociera no sólo se podría averiguar si realmente fue visigodo sino que sería un lugar de peregrinación de muchos españoles de buena fe. Lo digo pq a pesar de tener su tumba en la Cueva de Covadonga, sus restos no están ahí. Es bastante raro no saber dónde se llevaron sus restos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duffmannn
Por otro lado, seguro que a los miembros de este subforo les gustaría poder analizar el ADN de los reyes asturianos que están en:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pante%...dral_de_Oviedo
Reyes[editar]
Panteón de reyes de la catedral de Oviedo.Fruela I de Asturias (722-768), hijo de Alfonso I de Asturias y de la reina Ermesinda.
Bermudo I de Asturias (m. 797), sucesor del rey Mauregato de Asturias.{{refn|group=lower-alpha|El cronista Ambrosio de Morales consignó que Bermudo I de Asturias fue sepultado en la ermita de Ciella, junto con su esposa, la reina Uzenda Nunilona, y su hija, la infanta Cristina, y que los restos mortales de los tres permanecieron allí hasta que Alfonso VII de León, ordenó trasladarlos al monasterio de San Juan de Corias, donde fueron depositados frente al altar de San Martín y bajo tres arcos de piedra.31
Alfonso II de Asturias (c.760-842), hijo de Fruela I y de Munia de Álava.32
Ramiro I de Asturias (c.790-850), primo y sucesor del anterior e hijo de Bermudo I.33
Ordoño I de Asturias (821-866), hijo y sucesor de Ramiro I.34
Alfonso III de Asturias (c.852-910), hijo del anterior y de la reina Nuña.12
García I de León (c.870-914), hijo del anterior y de la reina Jimena de Asturias.12
Fruela II de León (c.875-925), hermano del anterior e hijo de Alfonso III.21b
Reinas[editar]
Munia de Álava (m. después de 768), esposa del rey Fruela I de Asturias y madre de Alfonso II de Asturias.
Berta, esposa del rey Alfonso II.3631
Nuña, esposa de Ordoño I de Asturias y madre de Alfonso III.34
Urraca, esposa de Ramiro I y madre de Ordoño I.12
Jimena de Asturias (m. 912), esposa de Alfonso III y madre de los reyes García I, Ordoño II y Fruela II de León.37
Elvira Menéndez (m. 921), esposa de Ordoño II y madre de Alfonso IV y Ramiro II de León.
Nunilo Jimena, esposa de Fruela II de León.19
Urraca Sánchez (m. 956), esposa de Ramiro II y madre de Sancho I de León.
Teresa Ansúrez (m. 997), esposa de Sancho I de León y madre de Ramiro III de León.
Serían DF27? Qué genética tendrían? No sé si se habrá permitido una investigación pero básicamente son los primeros reyes de los inicios de la España actual, deberían tener más relevancia y ser más estudiados (ver si están tan interrelacionados o hubo algún "salto" genético con otras gentes, etc).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
These are my results of Ethnogene:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Iberia: Spanish (Galicia, Valencia, Cataluna, Murcia, Andalusia, Extremadura, Aragon) 70.2%
Western Europe: French South (Midi Pyrenees, Aquitaine, Poitou-Charentes) 4.4 %
Iberia: Basque (Spain, Navarre) 6.7%
Iberia: Portuguese (Guarda, Santarem, Braganca) 9.5%
Southern Europe: Italian North (Lombardy, Piemonte) 2.6%
Western Europe: French North (Picardy) 1.3%
Southern Europe: Corsican (Corsica, France) 1.0%
Iberia: Sephardic Jewish (Portugal, Belmonte) 1.9%
North Africa: Moroccan (Souss-Massa, Kenitra) 1.1%
North Africa: Kabyle (Northern Algeria Bejaia) 1.3%
As I said before, one of best results I have received.
According my paper trail and ancestral names, regions of Spain are correct, including Basque percentage. Portugal regions are also good (an ancestral name places part of its origins in those places according to my latest research). Sephardic Jewish percentage is correct according my genealogical research (genetic genealogy and traditional genealogy). I receive Italian North and French South by genetic proximity I suppose, same as the Corsican percentage, but I have a lot of french or italian matches, so it's possible I have ancestors of these regions. North African regions are good, normally I have between 2-3% northafrican comparing with modern population (in addition to ancient population, the percentage is 6-7%). I never receive French North, but as I suppossed, population of this region have genetic proximity with British Isles (I runned coordinates in Vahaduo), so it make sense for me, I usually score irish in many tests.
As for ADNTRO, the results are so extravagant that it isn't worth publishing them... it's impossible for me to rate more Italian and British than Spanish, it overestimates my North African by 10%, it gives me Balkan and Scandinavian values when I never receive them... very weird.
Nice results, but before to get into your results deeply, do you speak spanish?Quote:
Originally Posted by rober_tce
Sí claro, soy andaluz hasta la médula!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Joder, como está el patio, la gente se vuelve loca por cualquier chorrada, si más buena gente no puedo haber sido con estas 4 referencias.:picard1:
http://https://www.theapricity.com/f...46#post6836746
Perfecto!Quote:
Originally Posted by rober_tce
Mira, en mi opinion personal, no veo una ancestria sefardi tan considerable para incluso decir que es sefardi, que tan seguro estas de eso? Porque 1.9% no es nada de nada. Lo otro, con que empresa hiciste el test? Ya has sacado el G25? Eso es infalible para ese tipo de cosas de detectar % pequeños, lo que llamas traces. Ethnogene la verdad es que no tiene muy buena fama.
La otra cosa, es intentar este tool y que si puedes, decir que te sale:
https://cladefinder.yseq.net/
He estudiado muy a fondo mi genética, de hecho no soy nuevo en esto, soy usuario habitual de Anthrogenica y llevo bastante tiempo metido en estos asuntos (que me he metido aquí estos días de parón), el porcentaje judío es real acorde a mis investigaciones en genealogía genética (corroborado por otros especialistas en este campo de la genealogía genética judía), aparte tengo muchos matches judíos en un segmento cromosómico en concreto, y lo he verificado además por genalogía tradicional a través de un apellido mío bastante raro. También tengo Global 25 y sí corrobora dicha ancestría. En españoles es muy normal que el porcentaje judío sea pequeño (el que lo tenga claro está, no todos han heredado segmentos judíos perceptibles), pero no tiene porqué ser falso, solo hay que corroborarlo concienzudamente. Cierto es que hay casos en los que es falso, pero como he dicho, hay que ponerse a ello.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Hay muchos usuarios de esta prueba que coinciden en que es una de las mejores, en mi caso así ha sido también.
También he utilizado el Morley predictor con anterioridad, me dice que lo más probable es que sea R1b, pero estoy esperando una prueba para confirmar resultados.
No acabo de ver lo que crítica, que no es lo suficientemente eslavo?Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Que raro... pincho el enlace y me da error... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Supongo que ya hablamos de esto en Anthrogenica,pro ya sabrás que lo de los apellidos no es muy fiable, no recuerdo cual era tu apellido sospechoso de provenir de judíos.Quote:
Originally Posted by rober_tce
Yo sigo pensando que es muy difícil determinar una ascendencia judía muy lejana y en pequeña cantidad, y sospecho que muchos casos, en europeos, te marca como judío algo que en realidad es una mezcla de levantino con europeo o con otros componentes.
Tampoco es imposible, por supuesto.
Yo creo que siendo prudentes, deberíamos llamarlo Levantino, que es lo que realmente tienen en común genéticamente todos los judíos en mayor o menor medida, y que eso de etiquetarlos como Mitzrahim, Sephardim, Ashkenazim etc al final son Levantino+Iraní, Yemenita, Italiano, Ibérico, Eslavo, Germano, Turco etc...
A los judíos de por aquí les suelo poner para marcar su parte judía esta mezcla de referencias viejunas y modernas, y no deja de ser una referencia levantina:
Palestinian/Jewish=(Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1,)+Pa lestinian_Beit_Sahour
Espero que no hayan eliminado el thread, sería ridículo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erronkari
Ya tu nombre se me hacia algo parecido a uno de Anthrogenica... Si puedes, y no es molestia, podrias subir esos resultados del YSEQ Clade Predictor o MorleyDNA? Si MorleyDNA te dice que eres R1b, es porque eres R1b 100% seguro, en realidad esta comprobado que no falla, lo que te puede fallar es el ultimo clado que te de MorleyDNA por tema de que ellos manejan unos SNPs de clados modernos que han sido desaprobados por ISOGG, en pocas palabras, eran nada mas y nada menos que experimentales.Quote:
Originally Posted by rober_tce
Ahora, vamos a ver que tan judio eres, por favor, usa este modelo:
Code:Tianyuan:CHN_Tianyuan,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Gravettian:RUS_Sunghir,0.0401228,0.01244,0.0022628,0.0713022,0.030467,-0.0033465,0.0028788,-0.0045,0.0404445,0.0083828,0.011895,-0.0098913,0.0084365,-0.0130397,0.0114685,0.016607,0.0167218,0.0019637,-0.005782,0.029639,0.0263908,0.0058428,-0.0130335,-0.0473262,0.004281
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Early_Anatolian_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Satsurblia_Cluster:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Western_Hunter-Gatherer:LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
Jomon:JPN_Jomon,0.011003,-0.3440953,-0.0537398,0.0124893,0.038161,0.0139448,-0.0020758,-0.0015383,0.024577,0.0205622,-0.049718,-0.0068938,0.0096878,-0.0069958,-0.023819,-0.0154467,0.006454,0.0099242,0.0024722,-0.0060655,0.0639705,-0.0456895,0.0091615,0.0112062,-0.0994323
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
Dravidian:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858,0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
Western_Steppe_Herder:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.129855,0.2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
Early_Levantine_Farmer:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0.1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG,0.13249,0.0895696,0.1651034,0.187341,0.0864774,0.0551646,-0.00235,0.008538,0.0376324,-0.0389258,0.0016562,-0.0187034,0.0310404,-0.0173406,0.0315686,0.049297,0.005763,0.0024324,-0.006335,0.039744,0.0507604,0.014418,-0.022086,-0.0977008,0.0070412
Rudnaya:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0162197,-0.4440402,0.0722185,-0.0511148,-0.0373912,-0.0395328,0.0034075,0.0084802,0.0064935,0.019408,-0.048595,-0.004833,-0.0030848,0.0086702,-0.0096025,-0.0133915,-0.0007825,0.0089,0.0174408,0.0100362,0.008828,-0.027729,-0.0174702,-0.00244,-0.0145795
Beringian:USA_Ancient_Beringian,0.0432525,-0.3051665,0.0873035,0.081073,-0.0887855,-0.020777,-0.1215005,-0.150686,-0.020657,-0.0218685,0.008038,-0.009816,0.0097375,-0.0141065,-0.009093,0.004508,0.002021,0.0119085,0.003017,0.0139445,-0.005927,0.0059355,0.00721,0.0040965,-0.0006585
Siberian:RUS_Kolyma_Meso,0.043253,-0.337156,0.087492,0.045543,-0.07663,-0.02259,-0.047707,-0.050767,-0.006545,-0.024055,0.005846,-0.006145,0.017988,-0.026424,-0.021851,-0.004243,0.001173,0.012162,0.018101,0.008879,0.004118,-0.023247,0.013311,0.009158,0.009221
Amerindian:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
West_Africa_Early_Stone_Age:CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP,-0.602693,0.055346,0.0148965,0.0263245,-0.0064625,0.00502,0.1243205,-0.099919,0.0138055,-0.007016,-0.00065,-0.0242785,-0.0203665,-0.0052295,0.0021035,-0.00179,0.0127125,0.017356,-0.0011945,-0.0040645,-0.003494,-0.000371,0.0016025,-0.0009035,-0.0020955
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Pre-Indo-European:RUS_Khvalynsk_En,0.1221697,0.055177,0.0808297,0.1612857,-0.027082,0.0499213,-0.0098703,-0.014461,-0.0424047,-0.08474,0.0072533,-0.0060947,0.015956,-0.0422043,0.0269633,0.0172367,-0.0034337,-0.001816,-0.010768,0.0121723,-0.0102737,0.0039983,0.0131463,0.000924,-0.007544
Botai:KAZ_Botai,0.102441,-0.0832737,0.0902577,0.1761437,-0.082169,0.0394163,-0.0436337,-0.050613,-0.029247,-0.081338,0.027281,-0.0073933,0.0240333,-0.0694997,0.0219413,0.0205953,-0.011604,-0.00114,0.0001677,-0.002835,-0.0347723,0.017765,0.023787,0.0040567,-0.0082623
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Según ella, a los Croatas les molesta que les llamen Balcánicos, es un insulto para ellos, a lo que le he contestado, que igual a ella le molesta, pero que en la península de los balcanes viven unos cuantos más aparte de los Croatas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Por supuesto, como no, ha soltado algo así como "es lo mismo que los españoles con los moros", y no, no es lo mismo, lo de los españoles con los moros sería si les pongo una referencia Turca en vez de una Túrkica. A lo que sería equiparable es a que un vasco o catalán nacionalista les molestara que los llamaran Ibéricos y los metieran en el mismo saco que a los demás españoles. Eso sí es más parecido a lo que ha pasado.
No hablo de los typical apellidos judíos de la lista de la Inquisición, eso no es fiable (que te llames Córdoba por ejemplo no te hace descender de conversos per sé, es un apellido castellano el cual algunos conversos usaron). Nunca lo puse ese apellido por privacidad en el foro, pero descubrí una línea judía a través de genealogía tradicional en dicho apellido. En mi caso sí que descubrí un segmento judío, con ayuda como he dicho antes a través genealogistas genéticos de este campo, así pues sí que se puede verificar con las herramientas adecuadas.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
No llegamos a hablar de esto en AG, pero sí que hay unos post míos explicando toda esta temática y cómo llegué a corroborar la veracidad de este asunto.
Miren se los digo por experiencia, esa mujer es super bipolar, un dia es tu amiga aqui en TA, y el otro, te da una puñalada por detras con insultos, incluso se mete en temas donde no lo conviene ni le compete, paso con el asirio que es un supuesto experto en genetica, lo defendio a capa y espada nada mas para tocar los huevos, tanto la cago, que tuvo que perdir disculpas un par de veces a mi persona, pero yo la mande a tomar por culo.
No le discutan, es una usuaria que lo que tiene de tonta, lo tiene de poder aqui en TA y te pueden madar a banear nada mas por ello.
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Originally Posted by Defcon2
Sorry, but I will go my own way, and to be a model made with modern references, it has enough coherence even compared with models of old references, although it is not possible to extrapolate an ancient population to a modern one completely.Quote:
-Stearsolina;6837041-We don't like association with Balkans, it is taken as insult for Croats and it has deeply negative connotations similar like Moor for Spaniards.
And please don't try to imply what I want to see in my results, 50% Slavic is Montenegrin range, Croats on average are above 60% early Slavic.
You calculator is shit and annoys me, so next time leave Croats out of it.
And much more intellectually honest than saying "for a Croat to call him Balkan is like for a Spaniard to call him a Moor", which seems more like a disguised insult for being Spanish, than a valid argument to defend your position.
I understand that you have many quarrels and fights between you, but I am not from the Balkans.
And I have not done anything wrong, nor do I have anything against any Balkan nationality, even assuming that I might like some better than others.
Here is a comparation between my 4 original references and one Balkan ancient samples based model:
https://i.imgur.com/b1hNMSM.png
No le gusta su ubicación geográfica por que patatas.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Es nacionalista Croata a muerte, y cuando defiende lo que considera suyo, se pone en modo Berseeker a dar palos, y le da igual a quien le da.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Pero si es un modelo super inocuo, y funciona muy bien siendo tan simple, y les he ido haciendo mas referencias para ir mejorando las distancias etc.
Supongo que le ha molestado que use la referencia Croata como componente de la referencia Balcánica. No tenía ni la más remota idea de que a nadie le pudiera molestar que le consideren balcánico.
Estaría mal puesto, no han eliminado el thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erronkari
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...17#post6837117
Ya pude acceder. ¡Mil gracias amigo! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Los modelos de Global 25 son todos relativos, depende de las muestras que escojas, si se solapan unas con otras o no, si hay sobreajuste, etc... he probado miles de modelos, algunos confeccionados por mí, y otros tantos por usuarios que seguramente saben más que yo a la hora de la selección de muestras para una buena calculadora. ¿Cuál es el modelo correcto? Tras tanto usar G25, he llegado a la conclusión que la única manera de comprobar la ascendencia minoritaria es a través de tus matches, y en concreto los llamados segmentos judíos se agrupan en segmentos cromosómicos, y si éstos tienen mayormente genética levantina (lo puedes verificar en GEDmatch con pintura cromosómica), ya tienes claro que es un indicio de antepasado judío, y no hispánico que puedas compartir con tus matches judíos. Como bien he dicho, la mejor manera de corroborar los porcentajes minoritarios, sean cuales sean, es a través de la genealogía genética, y luego tradicional, no con Global 25. Igualmente a través de este procedimiento pude comprobar una muy posible ascendencia británica aun siendo minoritario (estoy aún investigándolo, pero va por buen camino).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Dejo un enlace interesante sobre porcentajes minoritarios:
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/sma...rcentages.html
No voy a poner los resultados tanto de este modelo como del predictor por privacidad. He visto durante un año cómo se pierden los estribos en este foro, se insulta con facilidad y hay muchas actitudes que mejor no voy a calificarlas pero hablan por sí solas. Prefiero ver un poco más la dinámica de este hilo y del foro en general, al principio estaba reacio a poner mis resultados de Ethnogene por esto mismo.
Vale, entiendo. Disfruta del hilo y del foro.Quote:
Originally Posted by rober_tce
Igual debería traducir al inglés los últimos posts...:wink
Intenté imrpovisar una explicación de como funcionan las coordenadas y los algoritmos de los programas que usamos con el G25 a una persona .¿Se entiende?
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Those coordinates don´t work only giving more % to those references which have closer distance,.Quote:
I was looking at everyone's results and something is VERY VERY OFF here because Eurasians (Japanese and Europeans) should be MUCH closer to each other than Eurasians to Yoruba (even with basal eurasian factored in) and not the other way around. Reason is
because ALL Eurasians share substantially the same grandparents from the Out-of-Africa event.
The G25 can't be that bad. Try using SCALED to see if that fixes the problem and Europeans become significantly closer to Japanese than Europeans to Yoruba
With this drawing you can better understand how these calculators work, which use principles based on multivariate statistics.(it´s only to have an aproximate intuitive idea about how it works, don´t take this lyerally)
https://i.imgur.com/Z1FtCBz.png
A,B,C,D,E...= references in sources
A´,B´,C´,...=distances to every reference.
1,2,3,4= possible solutions, it´s suposed that all of them are projected always passing through the closest reference.
The algoritm would chose a solution passing through(or near inside the dispersion cloud) A,B,D and E references and would calculate the % according an specific configuration.
F is closer to you than D, but is out of your admixture and this component would no score any % in your results, because it´s close to you, but not to the most probable projection line that would be the solution.
All this is quite improvised, but I thonk it´s a graphic and intuitive way to explain something complex as this issue.
We can see that it works in this way, watching results and distances in many model, and for example, Spaniards usually score in NA , although NA references have greater distances than many others, including other non European references.(I explain it with this example because I am Spanish, and NA in Spanish is a recurrent topic, nothing else)
Yo no lo entiendo porque soy un poco tonto pero puede que los demas si
Pues entonces el tonto soy yo, que no se explicarlo, porque tú no eres tonto, y aún si lo fueras, deberías haberlo entendido.:picard1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
En realidad esto habría que explicarlo con una animación, más que con una imagen estática, o al menos haberle dedicado más tiempo a hacer el dibujillo con el paint.
Bueno, da igual, si se entiende bien, y si no, ahí queda eso.
Es cierto, ni me había fijado.Es un VIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
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Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0