Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Dušan

You just said that you, Ph2ter, Hrvoje and all other NW Croats are fake Croats, and those close to Serbs are real ones.:)

There are much more western Serbs than those Split Croats in number of population. It is Serb cluster, not Croatian.

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I am 3/4 Croat by origin, Hrvoje bit less than half. Ph2ter is full Croat as far as I know but his people are different from southern Croats.
I think your should add more people to Bosnian Serb cluster, it has only 4 from Doboj and Banja Luka. If you added Serbs from Herzegovina, East Bosnia etc, I think it will be closest to new Serb average.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No.
I don't plot with Southern Croat Slavic average (unlike you). I am much closer to NW Croats, Hungarians and Slovenians.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I am too little Baltic, bit more North Atlantic, too much West Asian and too little East Med for southern Croats. I also score no Red Sea at all, and their average has suprisingly high score (something like 2.5)

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Nop, you've said this at least a few times in the past days alone, let me repost some contradictions of yours(just regarding dalmatian croats), some of which were posted right in this very thread.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

According to 23andme I am definition of pure southern Croat, having ancestry only from 3 southernmost Croatian counties.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I don't see anything false in what I wrote. I really did get only 3 Dalmatian counties in Croatia and I score like Russian/Ukrainian + Spanish/N.Italian on Global 25, exactly like a Slavic-Dalmatian mix and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I am Dalmatian Croat and in Dalmatia lived Illyrians.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Genetically speaking, it does not matter, average Croat is not more med than I am (I have many GEDmatch kits and Know that).
Most of my ancestry is Dalmatian, and there is misconception on this forum they are ''med people by blood'' which is simply untrue (culture is another thing).
I can post pure Dalmatians with similar or even less med scores than what I have.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Most of my ancestry is Dalmatian and I identify with it.

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For the Nth time, the difference between you and them is that you also have slight recent german admixture, which lowers your baltic and increases North_sea and lowers your EE but increases your NW euro on 23andme, past this you're both the same thing:medieval bosnians(serbs) and pannonian slavs mixed in different ratios whether recent or during the medieval.
End of deal.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Distance to: Serbian_Bosnia

1.15990840 Croat_Split
2.31010898 Bosnian
2.97378336 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.02765379 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.04522464 Serbian_new
4.23139900 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
4.27129225 Szekely
4.73693862 Moldavian
4.76462354 Romanian_Botosani
5.02121873 Csango_Gymes

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probably because Split kept more pre-Slavic blood than some other parts of Croatia, and Bosnian Serbs are a little bit more Slavic than other Serbs, so they overlap

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Nop, you've said this at least a few times in the past days alone, let me repost some contradictions of yours(just regarding dalmatian croats), some of which were posted right in this very thread.

For the Nth time, the difference between you and them is that you also have slight recent german admixture, which lowers your baltic and increases North_sea and lowers your EE but increases your NW euro on 23andme, past this you're both the same thing:medieval bosnians(serbs) and pannonian slavs mixed in different ratios whether recent or during the medieval.
End of deal.

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Some of the things you posted are said many moths ago, troll. Now I score other Croatian counties too, not only Dalmatia.
I don't have German above statistical noise, I seem to have more of this BA/IA age like Croatian ancestry as do my parents.

I am less Slavic than average but my Vlach part seems to be significantly less wog than theirs. Maybe this natives genetics is especially well preserved on islands. They are not like eastern Vlachs.
I will know more when I get my hands on pure islanders gedmatch results.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

probably because Split kept more pre-Slavic blood than some other parts of Croatia, and Bosnian Serbs are a little bit more Slavic than other Serbs, so they overlap

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In general mainland Dalmatian and Bosnian population is very similar. Dalmatia is coast of Bosnia from geographical point of view.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I am 3/4 Croat by origin, Hrvoje bit less than half. Ph2ter is full Croat as far as I know but his people are different from southern Croats.
I think your should add more people to Bosnian Serb cluster, it has only 4 from Doboj and Banja Luka. If you added Serbs from Herzegovina, East Bosnia etc, I think it will be closest to new Serb average.

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And ph2ter's people are 30-40% of overall Croats. Those are very distant from southern Croats.
You should decide who are real Croats and who are fake ones - those Serbian-shifted or those Hungarian-Austrian-Czech-shifted. :popcorn:

I didn't create Bosnian Serb average and put it into calculator. It could be merged to Serbian average and those 4 results added to Serbian average.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Some of the things you posted are said many moths ago, troll. Now I score other Croatian counties too, not only Dalmatia.
I don't have German above statistical noise, I seem to have more of this BA/IA age like Croatian ancestry as do my parents.

I am less Slavic than average but my Vlach part seems to be significantly less wog than theirs. Maybe this natives genetics is especially well preserved on islands. They are not like eastern Vlachs.
I will know more when I get my hands on pure islanders gedmatch results.

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You've said just few days ago how you plot like a pure southern croat and nothing else, what else is there to say?

You're, according to yourself, 4% NW and 2% french&german on 23andme and used to score german regions, on top of KNOWING you have recent german ancestry on paper(hell, i remember, but i might be wrong, saying you even visited these 'imaginary' german cousins :lol:) there is nothing 'statistically noise' at this and Bronze Age and Iron Age were both different between each other, you're making all this on the spot to fit your current narrative and you're getting boring.

When you find new results you will come up with a different theory to cope and nonchalantly say again "Only an idiot doesn't change their opinion"

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Originally Posted by Dušan

And ph2ter's people are 30-40% of overall Croats. Those are very distant from southern Croats.
You should decide who are real Croats and who are fake ones - those Serbian-shifted or those Hungarian-Austrian-Czech-shifted. :popcorn:

I didn't create Bosnian Serb average and put it into calculator. It could be merged to Serbian average and those 4 results added to Serbian average.

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Serbs from Montenegro, SE Serbia and Kosovo would be pretty distant from you and Bosnian Serbs. So?
Our people don't descend from one tribe. These differences are still marginal compared to country like France, Italy or Germany, obviously.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

You've said just few days ago how you plot like a pure southern croat and nothing else, what else is there to say?

You're, according to yourself, 4% NW and 2% french&german on 23andme and used to score german regions, on top of KNOWING you have recent german ancestry on paper(hell, i remember, but i might be wrong, saying you even visited these 'imaginary' german cousins :lol:) there is nothing 'statistically noise' at this and Bronze Age and Iron Age were both different between each other, you're making all this on the spot to fit your current narrative and you're getting boring.

When you find new results you will come up with a different theory to cope and nonchalantly say again "Only an idiot doesn't change their opinion"

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No, I don't score any Germanic on Global 25. I would like to but I don't. On 23andme me my NW Euro isn't much different from what some full Croats get, it's nothing.
Deal with it.

And rather worry about your very atypical results.

Could you imagine - some few Split Croats are autosomal simmilar to 2 million Bosnian and Krajina Serbs, and she described that cluster as real Croatian. :picard1:

Then you are fake Croat mongrel. As well as all Croat members here.