Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

My sister's husband's EUtest

Distance to: Vsh
4.58590231 Ukrainian-Russian
5.32051689 West_Russian
5.78562875 East_Russian
7.57701128 Ukrainian
7.58528180 Belorussian
7.58542682 North_Russian
7.72924964 UA_Sumy
8.38699589 Polish
8.57888105 Northwest_Russian
9.62558570 East_Finnish
9.64026971 Erzya
10.18056482 Estonian
11.76136897 South_Finnish
12.31490966 Slovakian_1
12.73875583 Lithuanian
13.96750157 Kaikavian_Croatian
14.25237042 Czech
14.40958448 Latvian_1
15.05983695 Croatian
15.68110009 Slovenian_1
17.26133541 Komi
17.79469584 Udmurt
17.79657270 Moldavian_1
17.91515560 Hungarian
18.62697976 SerbianBosnia

Target: Vsh
Distance: 2.0739% / 2.07387334
37.4 Ukrainian-Russian
29.4 North_Russian
13.2 UA_Sumy
11.6 East_Russian
4.0 East_Finnish
2.8 Norwegian
1.6 Sardinian

Basically it goes like this:

37.4+13.2=50.6% "Slavic"
29.4+11.6+4.0=45% "Finno-Ugric"

MDLP K23b

Distance to: Vsh
3.98638934 Russian_North
4.16736128 Russian_Meshtchyora
4.68810196 Russian-Upper-Volga
4.87500769 Russian-West
5.40447037 Ukrainian_West
5.55758041 Belarusian-East
5.64786685 Kashub
5.77306678 Russian_South
5.79027633 Sorb
5.82229336 Russian-North-West
5.94531749 Ukrainian_Center
6.06235103 Erzya
6.22649982 Belarusian_West
6.39606129 Ukrainian_East
6.63945781 Slovak
7.42143517 Moksha
7.44081313 Don_cossack
7.55669240 German
7.70937741 Ukrainian
7.90012025 Mordovian
8.00692201 Finn_West
8.18793014 Russian-North
8.90529618 Russian_Vologda
9.01326800 Finnish_FIN
9.02883160 Finnish-East

Target: Vsh
Distance: 0.7601% / 0.76007321
34.8 Sorb
22.4 Latvian
11.0 Serb_Serbia
7.6 Ukrainian_East
7.2 Kashub
4.8 Belarusian_Russian
2.4 Croat_BH
2.4 Nenets_Forest
2.0 Frisian
1.6 Khant
1.2 Karitiana
1.0 Saami_Kola
0.8 Nganasan
0.4 Sardinian
0.2 Georgian_Laz
0.2 Georgian_Tbilisi

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Serbs from Montenegro, SE Serbia and Kosovo would be pretty distant from you and Bosnian Serbs. So?

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Precisely because neighbors mix over time, same as how southern croats are a mix of medieval bosnian(serbs) largely and pannonian slavs population(slovenians/kajkavian croats etc..) under different ratios.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Could you imagine - some few Split Croats are autosomal simmilar to 2 million Bosnian and Krajina Serbs, and she described that cluster as real Croatian. :picard1:

Than you are fake Croat mongrel. As well as all Croat members here.

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Coontrol your anger. You most likely have Croatian blood since many Croatian serfs moved to Krajina communities to escape feudal system.
Core of old Croatia was near Split, and we should search for their descendants there.

Just like we should search purest Serbs among Christians in SW Serbia and Sandžak.

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Originally Posted by ProudBrit

Precisely because neighbors mix over time, same as how southern croats are a mix of medieval bosnian(serbs) largely and pannonian slavs population(slovenians/kajkavian croats etc..) under different ratios.

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No, Panonnian Croats never came there LMAO, people always migrated to Panonnia and not the opposite.
Panonnian Croats have south Croat blood and not the opposite.

Southern Croats are mix of original medieval Croats, BiH Croats and indeed some Serbs. As you said, people mix over time.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

In general mainland Dalmatian and Bosnian population is very similar. Dalmatia is coast of Bosnia from geographical point of view.

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there's no much connection between Pannonian Bosnia, where these samples are from, and Dalmatia.
the samples from Split are much more southern than the ones from Zagreb, and i'm sure they have a lot of ancestry from the local Dalmatian speaking Vlachs which makes them similar to Serbs.
those 4 Bosnian Serbs are only slightly more Slavic than the average Serb, 31% Baltic, while the surrounding Bosniaks and Croats are all like 35, 36, lol

k13 is a very useful tool, but in the end only deep subclades of haplogroups can tell the truth, i'll probably focus on that more in the future.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Coontrol your anger. You most likely have Croatian blood since many Croatian serfs moved to Krajina communities to escape feudal system.
Core of old Croatia was near Split, and we should search for their descendants there.

Just like we should search purest Serbs among Christians in SW Serbia and Sandžak.

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Fortunately, I dont have. :) I don't look like your people, as well as no one in my family.
I am eastern-shifted, my Paleo-Balkan ancestors were Thracians from Kosovo and other parts of central Balkan.


And what is more interesting, K36 tool put my ancestry more eastern than Serbia - to Bulgaria.

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/aUEgRcS.png

https://i.imgur.com/8P9BS5y.jpg

So more likely, that few Split Croats have deep Balkan origin. :coffee:

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

there's no much connection between Pannonian Bosnia, where these samples are from, and Dalmatia.
the samples from Split are much more southern than the ones from Zagreb, and i'm sure they have a lot of ancestry from the local Dalmatian speaking Vlachs which makes them similar to Serbs.
those 4 Bosnian Serbs are only slightly more Slavic than the average Serb, 31% Baltic, while the surrounding Bosniaks and Croats are all like 35, 36, lol

k13 is a very useful tool, but in the end only deep subclades of haplogroups can tell the truth, i'll probably focus on that more in the future.

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No, Bosnian Serbs aren't native to Panonnia lol. And my father is not similar to average Serbs. As I said Baltic score is meaningless unless all others should are compared as well.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Fortunately, I dont have. :) I don't look like your people, as well as no one in my family.
I am eastern-shifted, my Paleo-Balkan ancestors were Thracians from Kosovo and other parts of central Balkan.


And what is more interesting, K36 tool put my ancestry more eastern than Serbia - to Bulgaria.

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/aUEgRcS.png

https://i.imgur.com/8P9BS5y.jpg

So more likely, that few Split Croats have deep Balkan origin. :coffee:

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Maybe you don't but many do. Pribislav looks Croatian, but you don't.
My father looks nothing like a Serb for example.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

No, I don't score any Germanic on Global 25. I would like to but I don't. On 23andme me my NW Euro isn't much different from what some full Croats get, it's nothing.
Deal with it.

And rather worry about your very atypical results.

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1.It don't care about some cherrypicked calculator that fits your current narrative, some full croats in the north get your NW level because of slovenian and austro-hungarian mixture, yours is mostly from recent german ancestry, its not nothing when you have german ancestry on paper and 23andme clearly shows its recent.
Just a single quote, couldn't be bothered to find more.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Very small amount of her German is from Alsace, just one line (it's not Swabian). Rest is Swabian and they Danube Swabians were of diverse origins. Uncle say that Swabian was from Austria, but I did not see proof.

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And if global 25 is g25 there you're modelled as 30% austrian.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

Coontrol your anger. You most likely have Croatian blood since many Croatian serfs moved to Krajina communities to escape feudal system.
Core of old Croatia was near Split, and we should search for their descendants there.

Just like we should search purest Serbs among Christians in SW Serbia and Sandžak.

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Croatian trail among Krajina Serbs including Bosanska Krajina could be only "chakavian" R1a-Z280>Y2613 (4% among Lika Serbs according to last statistic).

It's nothing in comparation with tons of croatized Serbs (mostly I2-PH908, but also some other markers).