A mi la verdad es que me llama demasiado. Le coincide bastante con su G25, y teniendo en cuenta que esto es lectura pura y dura de SNPs, pues algo bueno tiene que salir.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
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A mi la verdad es que me llama demasiado. Le coincide bastante con su G25, y teniendo en cuenta que esto es lectura pura y dura de SNPs, pues algo bueno tiene que salir.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
A tí siempre te ha gustado eso de la "genética antigua".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Estoy enamorado del aDNA, lo admito. Dice mucho mas que muchas cosas, a mi parecer.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
En realidad dice lo mismo, pero de otra forma...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Como te decía, resulta que esos guanches antiguos, son más europeos que el más europeo marroquí del norte actual con más aporte europeo, y eso es muy raro de ser cierto que son realmente muestras de guanches anteriores a la llegada de los europeos a las Canarias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Salvo que tuvieran contacto desde muy muy antiguo con la península Ibérica (o que sean muestras definales del XV o posteriores), me cuesta creer que aún así, tuvieran más contacto con la península que los propios marroquíes del norte.
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Si te fijas, esas distancias estan demasiado altas para ser fiable. Modela con aDNA clasico.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Lo sé, aún así ,estamos comparando muestras antiguas con poblaciones modernas, muchas de las muestras están en distancias de 3+, ni tan mal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Te voy a mandar lo mismo que le mandé a Defcon a ver que opinas.
Defcon2, tu a esa persona ni mú, eh? :D
Defcon2, tu a esa persona ni mú, eh? :D
No tengo ni idea de la fecha del cual pertenece esos guanches, pero solo dije que eran comparables a los norteafricanos anteriores a la mezcla SSA (similares a Moroccan_North). Creo que uno tiene alguna mezcla europea y es este:Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Si lo extraemos me quedaría así:Code:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun005,-0.01935,0.125926,0.004148,-0.056848,0.049855,-0.029841,-0.034782,0.005307,0.066675,0.028247,0.00406,-0.006894,0.016204,-0.015276,0.019544,0.001856,0.017993,-0.01761,-0.034567,0.018384,-0.0141,-0.025596,0.020706,-0.006145,-0.011376
Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.6371% / 0.02637133
37.0 Iberia_East_IA
31.6 ITA_Rome_Imperial
14.6 Iberia_Northeast_BA
14.2 Canary_Islands_Guanche
2.6 Iberia_North_BA
El british:
Target: Sacsonpuer
Distance: 1.7915% / 0.01791508
50.8 England_Saxon
35.6 England_IA
13.4 Iberia_East_IA
0.2 Canary_Islands_Guanche
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Iberia_North_BA:I2471,0.126344,0.155376,0.058077,-0.001292,0.063704,0.00251,0.000235,0.013153,0.025565,0.048839,-0.004384,0.010191,-0.018583,-0.005643,0.006107,-0.001193,-0.004042,0.006968,-0.005908,-0.002001,0.005989,0.011747,-0.009983,-0.003976,0.00455
Iberia_North_BA:VAD001,0.12862,0.147252,0.053174,0.008398,0.070475,0,-0.011516,0.007384,0.033746,0.058862,-0.003085,0.011839,-0.020515,-0.027112,0.007465,0.014585,0.022296,-0.003547,-0.012318,0.003502,0.014474,0.010016,-0.007641,-0.017111,0.001317
Iberia_North_BA:VAD004,0.120652,0.15436,0.052043,0.006783,0.06155,-0.007809,0.004935,0.002308,0.030679,0.058133,-0.005034,0.007643,-0.034192,-0.011698,0.015201,-0.010475,0.002217,0.005701,0.009427,-0.01038,0.006738,0.006306,-0.005669,-0.012411,0.010418
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Iberia_North_CA:I1842,0.135449,0.166547,0.072784,-0.021641,0.087401,-0.014781,-0.003525,0.009692,0.070152,0.093852,0.00341,0.015286,-0.027948,-0.021607,-0.015201,-0.002121,0.001695,0.003167,0.003645,-0.006753,0.015597,-0.00136,-0.016392,-0.044344,0.004431
Iberia_North_CA:I1845,0.136588,0.17264,0.058077,-0.028101,0.076937,-0.015618,-0.00282,0.004846,0.069538,0.093852,0.003897,0.021581,-0.039544,-0.011147,0.002579,-0.017369,-0.007953,0.001647,0.006662,-0.012131,0.021462,0.004822,-0.021568,-0.033017,0.00934
Iberia_North_CA:I1846,0.135449,0.167562,0.058454,-0.033269,0.087093,-0.026495,-0.00329,0.005077,0.071174,0.102599,-0.010393,0.020232,-0.037314,-0.022295,-0.001221,0.004243,0.014733,0.005194,-0.00729,0.003377,0.017968,0.005564,-0.014666,-0.047718,0.010298
Iberia_North_CA:I1978,0.132035,0.166547,0.062225,-0.023579,0.094787,-0.020359,-0.00235,0.003461,0.066061,0.092029,0.001949,0.019782,-0.029583,-0.016377,0.000271,-0.000265,0.001304,0.000633,-0.002891,0.002001,0.008859,-0.000618,-0.017008,-0.039765,-0.001916
Iberia_North_IA:I3758,0.125205,0.146236,0.06675,0.013889,0.053241,0.003347,-0.004465,0.002308,0.030474,0.034989,0.001624,0.008393,-0.017691,-0.00812,0.013843,-0.007292,-0.02047,0.00114,-0.00352,-0.002751,0.003494,0.000618,-0.008134,-0.016508,-0.002994
Iberia_North_IA:I3759,0.125205,0.140143,0.063356,0.009044,0.062781,0.003347,-0.00235,0.006692,0.02168,0.034989,-0.006008,0.009292,-0.016204,-0.008945,0.0076,0.007425,0.003912,0.000633,0.003268,0.001251,0.012977,0.004081,-0.006039,-0.007109,-0.009221
Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1310,0.121791,0.152329,0.059208,0.007429,0.070782,-0.009482,-0.00329,-0.001846,0.039473,0.05704,-0.001299,0.010191,-0.017393,-0.017203,0.005429,0.015248,0.016298,-0.006841,-0.000628,0.002126,-0.001622,0.006183,-0.007518,-0.025064,-0.000599
Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1313_d,0.122929,0.152329,0.058831,-0.004845,0.064012,-0.019522,-0.008695,-0.001154,0.041927,0.047564,0.000325,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.011836,0.002036,0.010607,0.021774,0.005701,0.004651,0.007379,0.01959,0.005935,-0.013311,-0.008555,0.001317
Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1836,0.129758,0.157407,0.058454,-0.00323,0.059396,-0.000558,-0.00141,-0.003231,0.039064,0.04811,0.00065,0.006145,-0.029435,-0.021332,0.002443,0.011535,0.008214,0.000127,-0.00176,-0.001251,0.008859,0.010016,-0.007765,-0.016629,-0.007544
Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4559,0.12862,0.14319,0.062979,0.006783,0.07386,-0.004462,0.006345,0.000231,0.047859,0.062689,0.000325,0.008093,-0.021407,-0.020368,-0.000679,0.02254,0.015646,-0.005068,0.00176,0.013506,0.010731,0.004328,-0.010723,-0.016267,0.002395
Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4560,0.127482,0.151314,0.059962,0.008398,0.063704,-0.005578,-0.00658,0.004154,0.025361,0.061049,-0.008931,0.007793,-0.029435,-0.019267,-0.005157,0.009016,0.025816,0.001394,-0.005656,0.003752,0.003119,-0.006677,-0.015406,-0.015183,0.003233
Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4561,0.130897,0.144205,0.064488,0.011305,0.065858,0.004462,0.00235,0,0.041723,0.054853,-0.003897,0.015137,-0.026164,-0.018029,-0.000271,0.003713,-0.002868,0.008108,0.006662,0.001751,0.015348,-0.003957,-0.016392,-0.014219,-0.001078
Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4562,0.122929,0.152329,0.062979,-0.001938,0.065551,-0.007251,0.00235,-0.001154,0.039473,0.055035,-0.007957,0.004346,-0.024232,-0.016102,0.004343,0.008884,0.00339,-0.000127,0.000503,0.003502,0.010232,0.004081,-0.01023,-0.022654,0.006586
Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4563,0.126344,0.149283,0.059962,0.001615,0.072013,-0.00502,0.00235,-0.000923,0.035792,0.054124,-0.001786,0.010641,-0.027354,-0.023121,-0.001764,0.004243,0.002868,-0.000507,0.001885,0.00075,0.020214,-0.00136,-0.02391,-0.012532,-0.001557
Iberia_Southeast_BA:I3494,0.127482,0.158423,0.057322,-0.017442,0.07109,-0.00753,-0.010105,0.004846,0.0452,0.073806,-0.004872,0.012439,-0.020218,-0.014588,0.00665,0.001724,-0.000261,0.009755,-0.002011,0.001,0.011355,-0.001607,-0.009244,-0.029281,0.001557
Iberia_Southeast_BA:I3997,0.122929,0.160454,0.053928,-0.002584,0.06832,-0.013108,-0.0047,0.005307,0.046836,0.072165,0.000812,0.013788,-0.032259,-0.032754,0.006786,0.020817,0.024121,-0.005574,-0.006662,-0.001251,0.003369,0.004946,-0.008381,-0.025184,0.000599
Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8136,0.125205,0.15436,0.053928,-0.004845,0.069244,-0.006693,-0.00752,0.009,0.055221,0.06925,-0.001786,0.014687,-0.030773,-0.013487,0.000814,-0.001193,0.004172,-0.004181,0.010307,-0.007379,0.012104,0.003215,-0.002095,-0.020003,-0.005149
Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570,0.132035,0.155376,0.057322,-0.004522,0.058472,0.000279,-0.0047,0.002308,0.044995,0.05376,-0.001624,0.005695,-0.020069,-0.010046,0.00665,0.001326,-0.007041,-0.006714,0.00088,0.008879,0.008111,-0.002226,0.000246,-0.010242,-0.001197
Iberia_Southeast_CA:I8197,0.118376,0.165531,0.045632,-0.042313,0.092633,-0.022032,-0.00188,0.000923,0.062175,0.093305,-0.002598,0.014237,-0.027205,-0.020781,-0.018322,0.00305,0.022556,0.009375,-0.002137,-0.00963,0.000998,0.004575,-0.012448,-0.034101,0.000838
Iberia_Southeast_CA:I8198,0.121791,0.159438,0.043369,-0.037145,0.084631,-0.018686,-0.010105,0.003231,0.059516,0.098043,-0.001624,0.019033,-0.036868,-0.023121,-0.009772,0.00358,0.01017,-0.000633,-0.00264,-0.006378,0.001373,0,-0.00912,-0.040367,0.004311
Iberia_Southeast_CA:I8199,0.127482,0.167562,0.049403,-0.051034,0.091709,-0.025658,-0.00658,-0.000231,0.067493,0.095309,0.000974,0.019932,-0.031813,-0.017616,-0.002579,-0.005569,0.014603,0.005701,-0.003017,-0.003502,0.007861,-0.002844,-0.019473,-0.040608,0.004431
Iberia_Southeast_CA:I8364,0.126344,0.174671,0.055437,-0.043928,0.078476,-0.025379,-0.015981,-0.000462,0.063811,0.089478,-0.000325,0.012889,-0.026462,-0.00812,-0.015065,-0.003713,0.009648,0.00152,0.001508,-0.010255,0.013726,0.002226,-0.010723,-0.039403,0.006706
Iberia_Southeast_CA:I8365,0.1161,0.166547,0.041483,-0.049419,0.093556,-0.03263,-0.00423,0.001615,0.074038,0.085469,0.000812,0.009442,-0.024232,-0.012524,-0.006243,-0.001326,0.005346,-0.00266,0.00264,0.001251,0.007861,-0.006183,-0.016515,-0.027112,-0.003473
Iberia_Southeast_CA:I8566,0.126344,0.176702,0.055437,-0.02907,0.087401,-0.036814,-0.01034,0.009923,0.076901,0.089113,-0.010393,0.02278,-0.041328,-0.030415,0.002172,0.006895,-0.002999,-0.002534,-0.007416,5e-04,0.010731,0.000124,-0.013434,-0.035186,-0.004431
Iberia_Southeast_CA:I8569,0.126344,0.162485,0.048271,-0.034238,0.081554,-0.022869,0.002115,-0.003923,0.063198,0.088202,-0.000974,0.018284,-0.026313,-0.016515,-0.0057,0.014983,0.02373,0.010769,0.007793,-0.003377,0.008235,0.006677,-0.011092,-0.024823,0.000359
Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10939,0.117238,0.144205,0.043369,-0.014212,0.055395,-0.014223,0.00094,0.001846,0.047654,0.060685,-0.003735,0.007343,-0.018583,-0.014726,0.007329,0.007425,-0.001956,-0.006841,0,0.001251,0.018093,0.002349,-0.000863,-0.030486,0.002754
Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10941,0.122929,0.155376,0.057699,-0.012597,0.072937,-0.01255,-0.004935,0.007615,0.044382,0.064147,-0.003735,0.017085,-0.027205,-0.011698,0.004614,-0.009016,-0.005607,-0.000887,0.003142,0.004877,0.01123,-0.000866,-0.014297,-0.022533,0.001676
Iberia_Southwest_CA:I11592,0.122929,0.164516,0.056191,-0.025517,0.080938,-0.025379,-0.01034,0.002308,0.068106,0.099683,0.007795,0.007493,-0.035084,-0.014726,-0.00855,-0.00305,0.00352,0.000633,0.005028,-0.00963,0.002745,0.003091,-0.012325,-0.040006,0.006706
Iberia_Southwest_CA:I11599,0.111547,0.155376,0.052043,-0.028424,0.091709,-0.02008,-0.008695,-0.002769,0.06872,0.101506,0.001624,0.013488,-0.02884,-0.015689,-0.005565,0.006629,0.008084,-0.004941,-0.006034,-0.002001,0.023833,0.015828,-0.01935,-0.041331,-0.002874
Iberia_Southwest_CA:I11600,0.126344,0.165531,0.059208,-0.027455,0.089247,-0.022032,-0.0094,-0.002077,0.082014,0.12228,0.002436,0.023079,-0.048463,-0.032479,-0.020629,0.000398,0.02047,0.014442,0.003645,0.005127,0.02558,0.009274,-0.025882,-0.11098,0.027423
Iberia_Southwest_CA:I11605,0.127482,0.164516,0.056945,-0.022287,0.084323,-0.023985,-0.002115,0.006461,0.06872,0.085469,-0.003248,0.01139,-0.037314,-0.018166,0.002307,0.007027,0.024903,-0.00228,-0.010182,0.008629,0.013851,0.012365,-0.022801,-0.037114,0.00479
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Iberia_Southwest_CA:I3432,0.12862,0.167562,0.04978,-0.036822,0.08617,-0.029284,-0.00047,0.000231,0.063198,0.097496,-0.003085,0.017834,-0.033895,-0.010872,-0.009636,-0.00358,0.014994,0.003547,-0.002514,0.000375,0.007986,-0.007419,-0.017008,-0.0435,0.006347
Iberia_Southwest_CA:I5076,0.122929,0.171624,0.058454,-0.037468,0.078168,-0.020638,-0.004935,0.004846,0.061357,0.086562,-0.006983,0.012139,-0.031665,-0.012937,0.001221,-0.015115,-0.014994,-0.00152,-0.00088,-0.009505,0.015098,0.00136,-0.014913,-0.03868,0.002634
Iberia_Southwest_CA:I5428,0.130897,0.153345,0.046386,-0.027455,0.084631,-0.028168,-0.001645,-0.002308,0.063811,0.093123,0.007957,0.018883,-0.033895,-0.013625,-0.007872,0.006629,0.025034,0.005068,0.002388,0.003502,0.01672,0.011129,-0.015529,-0.040126,0.001796
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ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR836,0.119514,0.158423,-0.007542,-0.037791,0.011387,-0.01757,-0.005875,-0.009692,-0.007567,0.024966,0,-0.004496,-0.014717,-0.002202,-0.014386,-0.001591,-0.003781,-0.007728,0.013073,-0.004752,-0.004866,0.011252,-0.000493,-0.00482,-0.002874
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1543,0.09675,0.141159,-0.026021,-0.063308,0.007078,-0.016455,-0.00047,-0.007154,0.002863,0.022233,0.009094,0.001199,-0.004162,-0.001514,-0.003529,-0.003182,-0.010691,0.00266,-0.006411,-0.009129,-0.004118,-0.006059,-0.006779,-0.006507,0.000239
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1544,0.111547,0.140143,-0.012445,-0.039406,0.006463,-0.022032,-0.003995,-0.001385,0.005931,0.012939,0.010555,-0.002398,-0.006392,-0.001101,-0.001493,-0.003845,0.002999,0.0019,0.004022,-0.005002,0.004243,0.007296,-0.001602,-0.006507,-0.001676
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1545,0.105855,0.153345,-0.032809,-0.065569,0.001231,-0.016733,-0.00141,-0.000923,-0.006136,0.019864,0.002436,0.003597,-0.007136,-0.000275,-0.015472,-0.015911,-0.008214,-0.002027,0.005028,-0.007629,0.000499,0.011747,-0.005176,0.005784,-0.007065
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1547,0.080814,0.151314,-0.058831,-0.084626,-0.016003,-0.033746,-0.00517,-0.006923,0.011249,0.015126,0.000812,0.001199,0.009812,0.00234,-0.004479,-0.001724,0.005346,0.006208,-0.006285,0.002376,0.001248,0.008408,-0.001356,-0.004338,-0.010059
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1548,0.112685,0.146236,-0.012822,-0.044574,-0.004616,-0.021196,0.004935,0.000231,-0.005113,0.012392,-0.003248,-0.003297,-0.000892,-0.003303,-0.006515,0.006364,-0.000261,0.007475,0.002137,-0.00988,-0.013726,0.004822,0.008627,0.006025,-0.005149
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1549,0.108132,0.146236,-0.000377,-0.026486,0.017234,-0.01506,0.005405,-0.006461,0.010226,0.006378,0.003085,-0.009891,0.002379,-0.001514,0.004072,0.003713,-0.00326,0.004561,0.003394,0.003001,-0.000499,0.010758,-0.000863,0.007109,0.005269
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1550,0.084229,0.140143,-0.047517,-0.074613,-0.012925,-0.026216,-0.0094,-0.007154,0.014112,0.005467,-0.000974,-0.002698,0.008622,-0.008257,0.001086,0.014983,0.014864,0.004814,-0.009302,0.002876,-0.001872,0.006183,0.004683,0.000843,-0.001676
ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1551,0.100164,0.142174,-0.058454,-0.066861,-0.023081,-0.013387,0.00141,0.002308,-0.026793,0.000729,0.009094,0.003897,-0.015163,0.007432,0.000679,-0.02254,-0.009779,0.002154,0.002011,0.012131,0.007237,0.008408,-0.000739,-0.004699,0.00479
ancient DNAQuote:
Originally Posted by Noff
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
My Dodecad K12b updated spreadsheet:
Target: alnortedelsur
Distance: 0.1245% / 0.12448086
6.4 Murcia
5.6 Andalucia
5.2 Italy_Trentino
4.4 France_Corsica
4.2 Italy_Abruzzo
4.0 Castilla_La_Mancha
3.8 Italy_FriuliVG
3.6 Italy_Piedmont
3.4 Hungarians
3.4 Valencia
3.0 German
2.8 Bulgarians
2.8 Sardinian
2.6 CEU30
2.2 Albanian_North
2.2 Montenegrin
2.2 Moroccans
2.0 Canarias
1.8 Spaniards
1.6 Cypriots
1.6 Greek
1.6 Mixed_Germanic
1.4 Swedish
1.2 Bantu_S.E._Tswana
1.2 French_Basque
1.2 Japanese
1.2 Mozabite
1.2 Pais_Vasco
1.2 Turk_Greece
1.2 Finnish_West
1.0 French
1.0 MKK30
1.0 Sephardic_Jews
1.0 Somali
1.0 Ukrainian
0.8 Daur
0.8 English
0.8 LWK30
0.8 North_Ossetians
0.6 Algerian
0.6 Egyptans
0.6 Evenk
0.6 Italy_Romagna
0.6 Tuva
0.6 YRI30
0.6 Yukagir
0.6 Lithuanian
0.4 Bantu_S.W._Ovambo
0.4 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
0.4 Dargin
0.4 Greek_Cappadocia
0.4 JPT30
0.4 Mongol
0.4 Nganassan
0.4 Sorb_Lusatia
0.4 Yoruba
0.4 Veps
0.2 Altai
0.2 Argyll
0.2 Bantu_S.E._Zulu
0.2 Bavarian_German
0.2 Chechen
0.2 Extremadura
0.2 Greek_Crete
0.2 Greek_Pontus
0.2 Italy_Calabria
0.2 Mari
0.2 Mixed_Slav
0.2 Morocco_Jews
0.2 Norwegian
0.2 Sandawe_He
Distance to: alnortedelsur
9.81564700 Italy_Piedmont
10.78424468 Italy_Veneto
10.91936675 Italy_Liguria
10.96724469 Italy_FriuliVG
11.31108437 Italy_Lombardy
11.48985041 Swiss_Italian
11.50444397 Italy_Emilia
11.53464260 Italy_Trentino
11.60492192 Italy_Aosta_Valley
12.46140722 Italy_Tuscany
13.79083754 Italy_Romagna
14.62720671 France_Corsica
15.57083986 Italy_Lazio
15.95970106 Italy_Marche
16.01979401 Albanian_Kosovo
16.02220959 Galicia
16.04144944 Albanian_North
16.22988293 Portuguese
16.28083536 Extremadura
16.61393993 Baleares
16.69983832 R.Moldova_South
17.09047981 Turk_Romania
17.23939964 Macedonian
17.26490660 Canarias
17.29608626 R.Moldova_Gagauz
Mis resultados de EUTest Updated Spreadsheet:
Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 0.2214% / 0.22142892
24.6 French_Basque
10.6 Scottish
9.4 North_Italian
6.2 Spanish
6.2 Albanian_1
5.6 Yoruba
5.0 Bedouin
4.2 Cypriot
3.8 French
3.8 Moroccan_Jew
2.8 Sardinian
2.4 Samaritan
2.2 Nganassan
2.0 Moldavian_1
1.8 Erzya
1.6 Greek_Crete_1
1.4 English
1.4 Koryak
1.0 South_Finnish
0.8 North_Han_Chinese
0.6 Georgian
0.6 Tuscan
0.6 Kosovar_1
0.4 Korean
0.4 UA_Sumy
0.2 Hungarian
0.2 Polish
0.2 Latvian_1
Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 2.6901% / 2.69006889 | ADC: 0.25x
40.4 Spanish
35.6 North_Italian
16.2 Mexican_1
2.8 Yoruba
2.4 Bedouin
2.0 Bulgarian_1
0.6 Palestinian_1
Target: Alnortedelsur
Distance: 4.7526% / 4.75262609 | ADC: 0.5x
43.4 Portuguese
40.0 North_Italian
15.4 Mexican_1
0.6 Algerian
0.6 Yoruba
Distance to: Alnortedelsur
10.10399921 Portuguese
10.55792593 North_Italian
11.54394647 Spanish
14.01818105 French
15.06020584 Tuscan
15.25244571 Kosovar_1
16.09347073 Albanian_1
16.32932944 Bulgarian_1
18.01303695 Romanian
18.06123750 Austrian
18.32116536 Serbian
20.61218814 Hungarian
21.06934740 West_&_Central_German
21.59045159 Cornish
21.96631967 Dutch
22.15790999 SerbianBosnia
22.37507989 Maltese_1
22.43790320 Moldavian_1
22.91176117 Ashkenazi_Jew
22.94375514 English
23.13680401 Slovenian_1
23.73107456 South_Italian_&_Sicilian
23.88705442 Croatian
24.18992559 Orcadian
24.35211490 Irish
El aDNA? Por el G25 se podría sacar, también gedmatch tiene una que otra calculadora. Los mismos haplogrupos también.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
Target: gixajo_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Distance: 1.5180% / 0.01518050
47.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial
22.6 Iberia_North_IA
19.4 Iberia_East_IA
8.4 Iberia_North_BA
2.6 Canary_Islands_Guanche
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.5321% / 0.01532061
32.4 ITA_Rome_Imperial
20.4 Iberia_North_IA
13.8 Iberia_North_BA
10.2 Iberia_East_IA
8.6 Iberia_Northeast_BA
8.2 Canary_Islands_Guanche
6.4 Iberia_Central_BA
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.6968% / 0.01696780
41.4 ITA_Rome_Imperial
24.6 Iberia_North_IA
17.2 Iberia_East_IA
13.8 Iberia_North_BA
3.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
Salgo super gallego con el dodecad...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by alnortedelsur
Target: gixajoMH
Distance: 0.5289% / 0.52885073
32.6 Sardinian
14.2 Castilla_Y_Leon
14.2 Spanish
12.4 Lithuanian
10.6 Latvian
4.2 Mixed_Slav
3.6 Pais_Vasco
2.4 Mozabite
1.4 Cantabria
1.4 Swedish
0.8 Aragon
0.8 Pulliyar
0.8 Saudis
0.4 Baleares
0.2 Moroccan
Target: gixajoMH
Distance: 2.6559% / 2.65592169 | ADC: 0.25x
53.6 Galicia
21.2 Castilla_Y_Leon
11.8 Baleares
7.2 Swiss_Italian
6.2 Mixed_Slav
**************************************************
Target: gixajo23andMe(Spanish)
Distance: 0.4991% / 0.49905590
24.6 Sardinian
15.8 Spanish
13.4 Latvian
8.8 Castilla_Y_Leon
7.8 Aragon
6.8 Pais_Vasco
4.8 Lithuanian
3.6 Mozabite
3.2 Mixed_Slav
3.2 Portuguese
2.8 Swedish
2.0 Saudis
1.0 Galicia
1.0 Pulliyar
0.6 Moroccan
0.4 French
0.2 German
Target: gixajo23andMe(Spanish)
Distance: 2.0463% / 2.04625667 | ADC: 0.25x
72.0 Galicia
21.8 Portuguese
4.4 Mixed_Slav
1.4 Estonian
0.4 Mozabite
Eutest updated.
En este no salgo super gallego...
Target: gixajo
Distance: 2.1152% / 2.11523180
56.8 French_Basque
9.4 Lithuanian
8.8 Bedouin
8.4 North_Italian
6.0 French
5.4 Sardinian
2.6 Spanish
2.4 Mozabite_Berber
0.2 Portuguese
Target: gixajo
Distance: 3.3375% / 3.33746822 | ADC: 0.25x
59.2 Spanish
30.8 French_Basque
3.8 Latvian_1
3.4 Mozabite_Berber
2.8 Bedouin
**********************************************
Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 3.2051% / 3.20510009
41.4 Spanish
26.2 French_Basque
13.8 North_Italian
8.2 Bedouin
6.4 Sardinian
2.2 Latvian_1
1.4 Druze
0.4 Yoruba
Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 3.8007% / 3.80072066 | ADC: 0.25x
83.4 Spanish
5.2 French_Basque
4.6 Bedouin
2.6 Maltese_1
2.4 Sardinian
1.6 North_Italian
0.2 Moroccan
**********************************************
Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 2.2491% / 2.24905476
80.6 French_Basque
6.6 Moroccan
3.8 Mozabite_Berber
3.0 Erzya
2.4 Latvian_1
2.0 Northwest_Russian
1.0 North_Russian
0.6 Udmurt
Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 2.1467% / 2.14673099 | ADC: 0.25x
83.4 French_Basque
5.0 North_Russian
4.8 Mozabite_Berber
2.6 Northwest_Russian
2.4 Bedouin
1.8 Spanish
Esto sin dudas es mucho más preciso que los Gedmatch originales, que sin dudas están ya obsoletos.
Mi K15:
Target: Fran
Distance: 5.4779% / 5.47789011
62.8 French_Basque
16.6 Sardinian
12.8 Orcadian
3.2 Karitiana
2.4 Spanish_Murcia
2.0 Iraqi_Jew
0.2 Dai
----------------------------
to: Fran
7.96426393 Spanish_Aragon
9.15374240 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
9.42407555 Spanish_Cantabria
10.50812067 Spanish_Valencia
10.73062440 Southwest_French
11.16901965 Spanish_Andalucia
11.53548439 French_Basque
12.10764221 Spanish_Murcia
12.88197578 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.90131389 Spanish_Extremadura
12.94716957 Spanish_Cataluna
14.41506850 Portuguese
14.77105277 France-South
16.31835776 Spanish_Galicia
18.11150739 Italy_Piedmont
19.32832119 Italy_Aostavalley
20.59382674 Italy_Lombardy
20.62011397 French
22.12389206 Italy_Liguria
22.14222211 Italy_Veneto
22.47937054 Italy_Trentino
23.27335171 Italy_Friuli
24.24196774 Italy_Tuscany
24.31752249 France_Corsica
24.64221378 Austria-Tyrol
Acá el mio mi estimado:Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Target: Fran
Distance: 3.2758% / 3.27582744
80.8 French_Basque
6.4 Moroccan_Jew
3.8 Sardinian
3.2 Druze
2.4 Tuscan
1.8 Chinese
1.4 Bangladeshi
0.2 Korean
-------------------------------
SOURCETARGETDISTANCESINGLEMULTI
Distance to: Fran
9.11895827 French_Basque
11.84230130 Spanish
15.18599355 Portuguese
16.68972738 French
20.91827431 North_Italian
22.98083114 Cornish
25.31118725 Tuscan
25.45942851 Irish
25.63745112 English
25.83946013 Scottish
26.05268700 Orcadian
26.27445908 Dutch
26.74462563 West_&_Central_German
28.43159334 Austrian
29.38259859 Danish
29.69827773 Kosovar_1
31.32233069 Albanian_1
31.94158418 Bulgarian_1
32.04352353 Norwegian
32.59878372 Romanian
32.74711743 Serbian
33.05820473 Hungarian
33.10780573 South_&_Central_Swedish
34.93764732 Slovenian_1
35.37687946 Maltese_1
No se cuales numeros corrí antes, pero este es mi resulatado de Dodecad K12b and ADC: 0X:Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Target: alnortedelsur
Distance: 0.1080% / 0.10800106
12.8 Murcia
7.0 Italy_Trentino
5.6 Andalucia
5.0 Italy_Abruzzo
3.8 Spaniards
3.2 Bulgarians
3.0 Hungarians
3.0 Italy_FriuliVG
3.0 Moroccans
2.8 Italy_Piedmont
2.8 Valencia
2.6 Albanian_North
2.4 French
2.2 Dutch
1.8 Sardinian
1.6 Bantu_S.E._Pedi
1.6 R.Moldova_South
1.4 France_Corsica
1.4 French_Basque
1.4 Greek
1.4 Italy_Romagna
1.4 Mongol
1.4 Yukagir
1.2 German
1.2 Mixed_Germanic
1.2 Montenegrin
1.2 Rus_Smolensk
1.2 Sandawe_He
1.0 Bavarian_German
1.0 Buryat
1.0 Cypriots
1.0 Greek_Pontus
1.0 Mozabite
1.0 Pais_Vasco
0.8 Canarias
0.8 JPT30
0.8 LWK30
0.8 Finnish_West
0.6 Castilla_La_Mancha
0.6 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
0.6 Ethiopian_Jews
0.6 Japanese
0.6 Mandenka
0.6 MKK30
0.6 Morocco_Jews
0.6 North_Ossetians
0.6 Orkney
0.6 Sorb_Lusatia
0.6 Swedish
0.6 Turk_Greece
0.6 Lithuanian
0.4 Greek_Crete
0.4 Nogais
0.4 Samaritians
0.4 Ukrainian
0.4 YRI30
0.4 Karelian
0.4 Veps
0.2 Algerian
0.2 Bashkir
0.2 CEU30
0.2 Egyptans
0.2 Ingush
0.2 English_Kent
0.2 Norwegian
0.2 Rus_Tver
y este en ADC: 0.25x:
Target: alnortedelsur
Distance: 1.6634% / 1.66338427 | ADC: 0.25x
43.4 Italy_Piedmont
25.2 Canarias
12.2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
6.0 Italy_Aosta_Valley
5.8 Italy_FriuliVG
4.0 LWK30
2.6 Bashkir
0.6 Algerian
0.2 MKK30
Distance to: alnortedelsur
9.81564700 Italy_Piedmont
10.78424468 Italy_Veneto
10.91936675 Italy_Liguria
10.96724469 Italy_FriuliVG
11.31108437 Italy_Lombardy
11.48985041 Swiss_Italian
11.50444397 Italy_Emilia
11.53464260 Italy_Trentino
11.60492192 Italy_Aosta_Valley
12.46140722 Italy_Tuscany
13.79083754 Italy_Romagna
14.62720671 France_Corsica
15.57083986 Italy_Lazio
15.95970106 Italy_Marche
16.01979401 Albanian_Kosovo
16.02220959 Galicia
16.04144944 Albanian_North
16.22988293 Portuguese
16.28083536 Extremadura
16.61393993 Baleares
16.69983832 R.Moldova_South
17.09047981 Turk_Romania
17.23939964 Macedonian
17.26490660 Canarias
17.29608626 R.Moldova_Gagauz
Parece que yo en cambio, salgo super Italiano en esta calculadora xD
Target: Luso_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Distance: 1.8866% / 0.01886579
35.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial
33.6 Iberia_North_IA
15.6 Canary_Islands_Guanche
8.2 Iberia_East_IA
7.4 Iberia_North_BA
Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 2.3456% / 0.02345554 | ADC: 0.5x
60.6 ITA_Rome_Imperial
37.8 Iberia_North_IA
1.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
0.6 Iberia_East_IA
Code:Distance to: Luso_scaled
0.05302358 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
0.05381856 Iberia_North_IA:I3758
0.05381856 Iberia_North_IA:I3758
0.05897782 Iberia_East_IA:I3320
0.05991570 Iberia_East_IA:I3322
0.06036500 Iberia_East_IA:I12879
0.06091061 Iberia_North_BA:I2471
0.06100639 Iberia_North_IA:I3759
0.06100639 Iberia_North_IA:I3759
0.06229883 Iberia_North_BA:I2470
0.06247372 Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570
0.06291975 Iberia_North_BA:VAD004
0.06381619 Iberia_East_IA:I3323
0.06570429 Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10939
0.06865688 Iberia_Central_BA:I6470
0.07010806 Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1836
0.07034842 Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4562
0.07300313 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR37
0.07402037 Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4563
0.07414665 Iberia_East_IA:I3324
0.07430532 Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10941
0.07446640 Iberia_East_IA:I3321
0.07489778 Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4561
0.07513959 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1549
0.07519449 Iberia_Central_BA:I6618
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 5.2145% / 0.05214457
30.4 Iberia_North_IA
30.4 ITA_Rome_Imperial
21.2 Canary_Islands_Guanche
18.0 Iberia_East_IA
Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 5.2667% / 0.05266691 | ADC: 0.25x
46.0 ITA_Rome_Imperial
25.0 Iberia_North_IA
20.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche
8.2 Iberia_East_IA
Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.08681554 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
0.08695590 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1549
0.08733606 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR835
0.09115966 Iberia_North_IA:I3758
0.09115966 Iberia_North_IA:I3758
0.09258708 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR47
0.09442073 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1544
0.09451927 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR131
0.09593256 Iberia_East_IA:I3320
0.09632472 Iberia_North_IA:I3759
0.09632472 Iberia_North_IA:I3759
0.09648177 Iberia_East_IA:I12879
0.09783089 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR49
0.09905746 Iberia_East_IA:I3324
0.09927396 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR113
0.09988243 Iberia_Southwest_BA:I10939
0.10058355 Iberia_East_IA:I3323
0.10135699 Iberia_East_IA:I3322
0.10148245 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR114
0.10168916 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR836
0.10224628 ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR111
0.10310479 Iberia_East_IA:I3327
0.10346921 Iberia_North_BA:VAD004
0.10423934 Iberia_North_BA:I2471
0.10467655 Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570
My updated Dodecad K12b:
Target: Luso
Distance: 0.0779% / 0.07787381
16.4 Sardinian
10.6 Cantabria
9.8 Swiss_Italian
8.6 Mixed_Slav
7.8 Castilla_Y_Leon
6.6 Lithuanian
4.4 Moroccans
3.4 Bulgarians
3.4 Galicia
3.2 Baleares
3.0 Belorussian
3.0 Castilla_La_Mancha
2.4 Spanish
2.0 Finnish_West
1.8 Slovenian
1.2 Algerian
1.2 Canarias
1.2 Yemen_Jews
1.0 Ashkenazi
1.0 French_Basque
1.0 Spaniards
0.8 Croat
0.8 Ethiopians
0.8 Greek
0.8 Moroccan
0.6 Pais_Vasco
0.6 Sorb_Lusatia
0.4 Norwegian
0.4 Yoruba
0.2 Bantu_S.E._Pedi
0.2 France_Corsica
0.2 Italy_FriuliVG
0.2 Italy_Lombardy
0.2 Mandenka
0.2 MKK30
0.2 Mozabite
0.2 Rus_Tver
0.2 Somali
Code:Distance to: Luso
6.57751871 Italy_Aosta_Valley
8.11776524 Swiss_Italian
8.64017940 Galicia
8.88962091 Italy_Trentino
9.50453156 Italy_Piedmont
9.80613074 Portuguese
9.81439249 Baleares
9.97745960 Extremadura
10.08827684 Italy_Lombardy
10.89758741 Italy_Veneto
11.50695598 Italy_FriuliVG
11.58636570 Italy_Liguria
12.06881519 Castilla_Y_Leon
12.49192939 Murcia
12.84986813 Italy_Emilia
13.24682226 Cataluna
13.33417789 Canarias
13.59920218 Spaniards
13.61703712 Spanish
14.02048145 French
14.20659706 French
14.40196966 Italy_Tuscany
15.09666519 Andalucia
15.16563220 Bavarian_German
15.45445890 Cantabria
My EUTest updated spreadsheet:
Target: Luso
Distance: 1.7107% / 1.71066815
29.6 Portuguese
23.4 Spanish
15.0 French_Basque
9.2 Sardinian
6.0 South_Finnish
5.2 Danish
3.8 Druze
3.2 Bedouin
2.6 Slovakian_1
1.8 Maasai
0.2 Ethiopian
Code:Distance to: Luso
3.29819648 Portuguese
4.38426733 Spanish
10.52624814 French
10.73472403 North_Italian
15.95997807 Tuscan
18.61406995 Kosovar_1
19.04373388 Austrian
19.80216402 Albanian_1
20.08303513 Cornish
20.60942745 West_&_Central_German
20.63691111 Bulgarian_1
21.00199752 Dutch
21.26338402 French_Basque
21.32304387 Serbian
21.54191728 English
21.60823917 Romanian
22.75216913 Hungarian
23.42013237 Orcadian
23.61018424 Irish
24.26867271 SerbianBosnia
24.59787796 Scottish
24.61778625 Danish
24.96361552 Maltese_1
25.04967664 Slovenian_1
25.71958221 Croatian
MDLP K11 es uno que extrapola el neolitico, el WHG, el EHG y entre otros componentes. No se si hay otro mas en esa plataforma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
La verdad es que el de Genomelink me llama demasiado demasiado.
EDIT: El Eurogenes K7 ANE es otro.
Te quoteo porque te comenté que era DF27* (hasta el año pasado y en base a que hice el panel de DF27 en yseq). Pero ahora ya tengo el resultado de Big Y 700 y ya me han metido en subhalopgrupos y me han dado uno nuevo para mí solo (o eso pienso pues no hay nadie más).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Qué conclusiones se podrían sacar de por qué no tengo los subhalogrupos típicos ibéricos de DF27? En mi caso no hay antepasados extranjeros como mínimo en más de 500 años (hice el árbol genealógico), así q no es un evento reciente.
Por otro lado, ¿sabes alguna manera de contactar con un kit concreto de FTDNA? No sé si tienen emails en algún lado (no lo he revisado todo detenidamente), pero hay un par de kits con los q me interesa intercambiar datos.
Hasta que por fin te dieron un resultado decente hombre :lmao, estan interesantes, creo que con el ZZ19 puedo hacer algo mas que con un DF27*.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gota_type_
Pues mira, de entrada, has caido en el clado mas occidental que tiene el DF27, que es el ZZ12, al igual que Luso, Spaniard 2.0, Gaska (es vasco pero si no mal recuerdo su padre era gallego), el asturiano del foro que se me olvida el nombre, entre otros. Ahora, tu diferencia con ellos es que, tu eres ZZ19, y ellos todos son ZZ39 (clado antes del Z225/S359). No esta demas decir que el clado mas comun en España del DF27 y haciendo un paneo general de todos los haplogrupos presentes junto a sus clados, es el Z195, muy estudiado ademas:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/33...7ef4abc374.png
Entro con el ZZ19. No doy con el clado en el Yfull pero si puedo ver en Eupedia que señala sus clados posteriores hacia el Oeste de Europa, esto incluye a Irlanda. Se que en Irlanda habra alrededor de un 5% de DF27, pero todo indica que caen en el ZZ12.
Sobre las conexiones entre los galaicos y los gaelicos, yo ahi prefiero no meter mucha mano ni opinar, pero no lo veo claramente, la frecuencia de haplogrupos y clados varia demasiado entre Irlanda y Galicia, yo creo que esta ya mas que demostrado que nuestros celtas con celtiberos y sus celtas son gaelicos y ambos se originaron por mezclas algo distintas. Podria estar equivocado, pero creo que las lineas paternales nos estan diciendo lo contrario.
Porcentajes similares a los de mi madre, con una distancia un poco mayor.:thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Erronkari
Probé tus subclados aquí, pero ninguno funciona más allá del DF27:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gota_type_
https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php
Z195 y Z225 funcionan, al menos.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Yo me he aburrido del G25 y ahora ando con el AdmixtureStudio. Creo que nada mejor que lectura de SNP por SNP.
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Originally Posted by Rocinante
Gracias a ambos. Bueno, al menos pienso que mis 2 halopgrupos principales (YDNA: DF27 y mtDNA: V) son ambos de Iberia (o al menos eso es lo que se cree, aunq para el DF27 hablan de otras teorías), así que soy nativo desde hace unos cuantos miles de años por ambas ramas principales.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Entonces si la hipótesis es que DF27 es nativo de la Península (vamos a suponer esto) y por ej. mi ZZ19 es primo hermano del ZZ21 de los otros foreros, entiendo que debo interpretar esto con que ambos grupos tenemos un mismo antepasado común (muy posiblemente de la Península Ibérica) pero que hubo una divergencia hace 2000 o 3000 años por los cuales ellos tienen unas mutaciones diferentes que las que yo tengo, y con ello, debo concluir que los antepasados desde cierto punto en el tiempo (pongamos desde hace 2460 años) de ellos vivían juntos (para desarrollar así esas mutaciones del ZZ21), y los míos vivían juntos pero en otro lado de la Península (incluso puede que cerca pero independientes). Es decir, bien pudieron ser distintas subtribus que siglos antes eran de la misma familia. Correcto?
No se producen mutaciones aleatorias arbitrarias en las cadenas de ADN de tal forma que puede haber gente que tenga un subhalogrupo determinado pero al mismo tiempo esas personas tengan ALGUNA mutación de otro subhalogrupo diferente (pero q no definan al otro subhalopgrupo)? Es decir, no sé cuántas mutaciones definen un subhalogrupo, pero puede ser que si yo tengo 4 de las 6 mutaciones que definen a mi subhalogrupo, ¿puede darse el caso de que al mismo tiempo pueda yo tener alguna mutación que pertenezca a otro subhalogrupo diferente pero que no sean las suficientes como para definirme dentro del otro subhalopgrupo? Por ej. tener yo 4 de las 6 de mi subhalopgrupo pero tb 2 de las 7 de otro subhalopgrupo y por eso se me encuadra a mí en el subhalopgrupo de las 4 de las 6? Es decir, donde más mutaciones coincidentes con la definición de un subhalogrupo yo tengo? No puede haber mutaciones aleatorias y arbitrarias en gentes con halopgrupos distanciados en el tiempo? Pq a fin de cuentas es cambiar 1 letra de las cadenas de ADN y que haya mutado en otra letra. ¿Esto puede pasar? Que alguien tenga una mutación que sea de otro halopgrupo diferente y que no tenga nada que ver con ancestros genéticos sino con pura arbitrariedad?
Por cierto, tengo como 30 mutaciones privadas que no tienen otras personas. No sé si es normal. Todavía no he investigado mucho. Por ahora en mi sub-sub halopgrupo solo estoy yo pero en el justo anterior esta un 70% de irlandeses, no me explico cuál puede ser la vinculación. O bien que pocos españoles se han hecho este test que sean cercanos (familiares) geográficamente a mí y por eso soy el único de este subhalopgrupo, o que realmente tb haya una vinculación clara con los irlandeses, pero no tengo claro si sería una vinculación de ancestros comunes entre ellos y yo, o que ellos sean ancestrales a los míos, o que los míos lo sean a los suyos. ¿Qué opináis? Por cierto, muy extraño que si DF27 es de Iberia, ¿cómo es que llega hasta Polonia o Armenia (lo he leído por ahí)?
La respuesta es si, totalmente es asi. Ahora si quiero puntualizar una cosa:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gota_type_
El R-DF27, a pesar de que donde mas lo hay es es España, sobretodo en el Pais Vasco, no es un clado iberico, porque el DF27 mas antiguo se hayo en el Este de Alemania, por un Bell Beaker. Lo correcto es decir que el DF27 es perteneciente a los Bell Beakers. Ya lo que comienza a ser celtibero al 100% es por ejemplo el Z225 que tienen los muchachos de aqui del foro, tu ZZ12 es bastante primo del Z225 asi que supondre que es una mutacion celtibera tambien, el M153 es de los vascos, y asi. Por ejemplo, hay un polaco en este foro que es DF27, con un clado super extraño, el Z2552, que no es ni del Z195 ni del ZZ12, significa que esos Bell Beakers que estaban en lo que es hoy en dia Alemania, tomaron un rumbo hacia el Este y se quedaron alli por mucho tiempo, realizando mutaciones lejos de las que hay en el Occidente de Europa. Pasa algo bastante parecido con el U152 (primo directo del DF27 porque ambos vienen del ZZ11), L21, DF19, etc.
Parece que tb han encontrado gente de Armenia con DF27, así que quizás el origen esté allí y esto enlace con la teoría de que los proto-vascos eran de Armenia-Georgia y esa zona, con lo cual pudieron ir progresivamente hasta Alemania (Centro-Europa), y al final establecerse en la zona del Pirineo y tener mucho éxito evolutivo a este lado de los Pirineos por mejor clima, superficie para cultivar, etc, de ahí que haya tantos DF27 en Iberia. O quizás por estar en una zona esquinada de Europa y al haber menos variabilidad que en centro Europa se haya conservado mejor.
Por cierto, mira mi mensaje previo (los dividí en 2 partes para no ser tan grande el post). Sobre el tema de las mutaciones aleatorias.
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Originally Posted by Rocinante
Que va que va, el DF27 es un clado 100% europeo, de mutacion europea de la edad de bronce, como minimo de los Bell Beakers y no creo que haya sucedido con los Corded Ware, a quienes no se les ha encontrado ningun DF27. Yo he leido un poquito sobre los haplogrupos en Armenia, y si es cierto que predomina en muchas zonas el R1b, pero no es precisamente el DF27, es el R-L23*, es un clado que se desvio completamente del rumbo de que tomaron los invasores esteparios hacia Europa, asi que me extraña un poco que haya DF27 en Armenia, honestamente. Pasa lo mismo con los Udmurt, que tienen R1b que da miedo, y uno que otro U152 galo-italico les he visto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gota_type_
Ahora, sigo sin creerme que haya conexion con el caucaso y los vascos, no tengo ni la mas minima idea sobre idiomas, pero es que no hay conexion alguna nisiquiera en linajes paternales, que ojo, los vascos son un misterio tremendo en este sentido, porque son los que menos ADN estepario o ANE tienen, y les sobra R1b occidental, todavia no se explica el como, pero es muy curioso.
Es como te mencione, el DF27 como tal, pelado, solo, es ¨aleman¨ y no ¨iberico¨, porque la muestra mas antigua que da positivo en DF27 esta ahi, entonces eso explica el porque hay DF27 en otros lados, pero claro, esa camada vino a terminar por estos lados, en su gran mayoria. Polonia esta al lado de Alemania, y los Corded Ware y Globular Amphora, estuvieron ahi asi que no me extraña mucho la verdad, aunque no es comun que clados posteriores al P312 esten en el Este de Europa. Ahora lo de Armenia si me deja desconcertado, ni idea macho! Pero ese tio de Armenia cae en tu clado luego del ZZ19? Porque ese entonces ese lo que fue en la vida, un cachondo que se echo unas vacaciones por alla a pasarsela muy bien, porque esta fuera de mi entendimiento.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gota_type_
De resto si que no tengo ni idea que decirte xD creo que habran personas en este foro que te puedan asesorar mejor en todo lo que tiene que ver con el funcionamiento de las mutaciones en linajes paternales y mitocondriales, yo lo que te puedo decir, mas o menos, es la historia de los clados porque hay informacion de sobra en internet.
No. Lo de Armenia es que parece ser que han encontrado DF27 allí. Lo miré por encima esta tarde:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....431-in-Armenia
No es mi subclado. Me sigue intrigando lo de los irlandeses que, en teoría, son los ancestros más cercanos de mi línea paterna, o al menos son los que más representatividad tienen. Los irlandeses tienen que tener algún tipo de variación genética propia diferente a los ingleses que hace que me vinculen con ellos por línea paterna, trataré de averiguarlo.
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Originally Posted by Rocinante
Los irlandeses son casi un calco genetico de los ingleses, esto sucedio porque los sajones que llegaron posteriormente a los Bell Beakers, eran geneticamente casi iguales a los que ya habitaban la isla, esto el Prof. Conrado Martinez lo explico una vez en un video que comparti en este mismo hilo. En España sucedio que el cambio mas fuerte fue precisamente la llegada de los Bell Beakers que no eran tan iguales a los que se fueron a otras partes de Europa, pero tenian tambien una carga de genes indo-europeos que terminaron mezclandose con los megaliticos que ya habitaban la peninsula. Esos irlandeses que comparten tu linaje paterno, pues es curioso e interesante, a ver si te puedes comunicar con ellos, la plataforma supongo que lo permite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gota_type_
Ya vi el armenio que dio positivo por DF27, pero fijate que le sucedio igual al polaco, eso fue precisamente un Bell Beaker que salio del Centro de Europa y tomo el rumbo a lo mas Este que podia, hasta el Caucaso, y muto en el clado que tiene. Que loco.
Esto no me parece que sea muy fiable.
MDLP K11 2xOracle and OracleX4
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 43.90
2 WHG 28.37
3 EHG 18.04
4 Basal 7.61
5 African 1.61
Finished reading population data. 161 populations found.
11 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Maros_BA @ 7.908296
2 Vatya_MBA @ 8.342039
3 Germany_BA @ 10.134052
4 Germany_Bronze_Age @ 10.134052
5 Hungary_BA @ 13.862661
6 British_Celtic @ 17.106968
7 British_IronAge @ 18.556484
8 Bell_Beaker_Germany @ 18.721634
9 Alberstedt_LN @ 18.998814
10 Hungary_MBA @ 19.512688
11 Swedish_LN @ 19.747169
12 Halberstadt_LBA @ 20.285393
13 Nordic_BA @ 21.505234
14 Bell_Beaker_Czech @ 21.941643
15 British_AngloSaxon @ 22.341900
16 Nordic_MN_B @ 22.815430
17 Nordic_LN @ 24.429735
18 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 24.877676
19 Bell_Beaker @ 25.257566
20 Unetice_EBA @ 25.434374
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Baltic_LBA +50% GermanStuttgart_LBK @ 3.232302
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bell_Beaker +25% GermanStuttgart_LBK +25% Swedish_LN @ 3.180206
Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Bell_Beaker + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Nordic_MN_B + Swedish_LN @ 1.711598
2 Bell_Beaker + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Nordic_MN_B + Swedish_LN @ 1.711598
3 Bell_Beaker + British_Celtic + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Swedish_LN @ 1.961498
4 Bell_Beaker + British_Celtic + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Swedish_LN @ 1.961498
5 Bell_Beaker + Corded_Ware_Chalcolithic + Hungary_CA + Irish_LN @ 1.992183
6 British_Celtic + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Irish_BA + Swedish_LN @ 2.053858
7 British_Celtic + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Irish_BA + Swedish_LN @ 2.053858
8 Alberstedt_LN + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Irish_BA + Swedish_LN @ 2.143191
9 Alberstedt_LN + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Irish_BA + Swedish_LN @ 2.143191
10 Bell_Beaker + Bell_Beaker_Czech + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Swedish_LN @ 2.145590
11 Bell_Beaker + Bell_Beaker_Czech + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Swedish_LN @ 2.145590
12 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Swedish_LN @ 2.166584
13 Alberstedt_LN + Bell_Beaker + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Swedish_LN @ 2.166584
14 Bell_Beaker_Czech + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Hungary_IronAge + Swedish_LN @ 2.247709
15 Bell_Beaker_Czech + Hungary_IronAge + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Swedish_LN @ 2.247709
16 Bell_Beaker_Germany + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Irish_BA + Swedish_LN @ 2.298366
17 Bell_Beaker_Germany + GermanStuttgart_LBK + Irish_BA + Swedish_LN @ 2.298366
18 Bell_Beaker_Czech + Corded_Ware_Chalcolithic + Maros_BA + Starcevo_EN @ 2.333452
19 Corded_Ware_Chalcolithic + Halberstadt_LBA + Maros_BA + Starcevo_EN @ 2.340905
20 Anatolia_Neolithic + British_Celtic + Corded_Ware_Chalcolithic + Maros_BA @ 2.357295