Aryan R1a = Turkic ?

Anatole Klyosov's genetic research has shown that the R1a basehaplotype 13 25 15 10 12 12 10 13 11 31 -- 15 14 20 12 16 11 23 (with a common ancestor of 3400+/-505 ybp, the likely times for the Aryans coming to India) is reasonably close to the Bashkir Turkic and Kyrgyz Turkic base haplotypes (both R1a-L342.2). A common ancestor of all the reported Indian (Tamil) haplotypes and Bashkir and Kyrgyz haplotypes lived around 5000 ybp, which fits the timespan to R1a-L342.2 common ancestor.

source: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-12/1356088114

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Originally Posted by Kipchak_Håkan

Anatole Klyosov's genetic research has shown that the R1a basehaplotype 13 25 15 10 12 12 10 13 11 31 -- 15 14 20 12 16 11 23 (with a common ancestor of 3400+/-505 ybp, the likely times for the Aryans coming to India) is reasonably close to the Bashkir Turkic and Kyrgyz Turkic base haplotypes (both R1a-L342.2). A common ancestor of all the reported Indian (Tamil) haplotypes and Bashkir and Kyrgyz haplotypes lived around 5000 ybp, which fits the timespan to R1a-L342.2 common ancestor.

source: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-12/1356088114

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Turkics were basically mezticos, tribes or groups that were formed in clash betwen caucasoid and mongoloid, the reason you find R1a among turkics is the same why you would find R1b among Mexicans

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Originally Posted by Duke

Turkics were basically mezticos, tribes or groups that were formed in clash betwen caucasoid and mongoloid, the reason you find R1a among turkics is the same why you would find R1b among Mexicans

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The Altay people have 47% R1a and 27% Caucasian mtDNA. before the Turkic expansion it would seem the Turkic people were the results of interracial marriage of mostly between Caucasoid men and Mongoloid women and later their mix male Mongoloid descendants married Caucasoid women, it's really complicated.

Ars Orientalis: The Arts of Islam and the East, Volume 4

" Craniological studies of samples from the Pazyryk burials revealed the presence of both Mongoloid and Caucasoid components in this population. [4] quoting G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans, records a mixed population. The men would seem to be part Mongoloid and the women Europoid. [5] "

M-17 or R1a1a = specific sub-clade of Macro-Group R1a. While R1a's status as being very archaic can be easily acceptable, its daughter clade R1a1a or M-17 is the talk of much speculation.

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R-M420 (R1a) is a common Y DNA haplogroup in many parts of Eurasia. One sub-clade (branch) of R-M420, R-M17 (R1a1a), is much more common than the others in all major geographical regions. R-M17, defined by the SNP mutation M17, (and sometimes alternatively defined as R-M198), is particularly common in a large region extending from South Asia and Southern Siberia to Central Europe and Scandinavia.

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Essentially, the time frame and precise reason for distibution is still debated. Should be noted that statistical analysis on modern population samples are not sure fire ways of dating it. One can choose Caoloscence Theory or Zhivotovsky method for trying to date it in a given region and end up with two different cultural contexts and dates for its appearance.

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Originally Posted by Duke

Turkics were basically mezticos, tribes or groups that were formed in clash betwen caucasoid and mongoloid

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No, intermarriages between Caucasoids and Mongoloids most likely predate Turks.

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Originally Posted by Hayalet

No, intermarriages between Caucasoids and Mongoloids most likely predate Turks.

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Of course they predate Turks. Skeletons with R1a and mongoloid mtdna (like C) were found before the period that we can talk about turkic language/culture.

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Originally Posted by Hayalet

No, intermarriages between Caucasoids and Mongoloids most likely predate Turks.

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turks are result of it, most logical is they started to differ from both mongoloids, and caucasioids, and at one point formed as Turks.

Some Turkic ethnicities have high R1a due to founder effect. Just like most Brits, Spaniards, Basques have R1b when it originated around Iran/Turkey.

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Originally Posted by Duke

Turkics were basically mezticos, tribes or groups that were formed in clash betwen caucasoid and mongoloid, the reason you find R1a among turkics is the same why you would find R1b among Mexicans

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Originally Posted by Formozgan

Some Turkic ethnicities have high R1a due to founder effect. Just like most Brits, Spaniards, Basques have R1b when it originated around Iran/Turkey.

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@ both, then how do you explain that Kyrgyz and Bashkirs preserved the most original "Ar1an" base haplotypes?

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Originally Posted by Duke

Turkics were basically mezticos, tribes or groups that were formed in clash betwen caucasoid and mongoloid, the reason you find R1a among turkics is the same why you would find R1b among Mexicans

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Whats about northern Native Americans with R1?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_h...f_the_Americas

Your theory doesn't fit here at all, since...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_h...an_populations