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My close friend is pro russian and he says that russians will win because they can cope so much suffering. My answer is...There is no point to think who can carry maximal suffering. The point is who makes the better life. The race is on and my bets goes to the west. Europe must wake up! Russians and China have very little to offer to the world. Russians have Putin and China have homogenity. Finns have started to upgrade their army and they wish that other europeans will do the same.
Of course SS-divisions had finnish soldiers. My point is that how diverse itīs manpower was.
So do you think your enemy is Russia intead of globalist elite? Russians dont want to destroy and relativize my culture, they dont want to flood my country with migrants, i have never heard about any russian pedo-trans lmbt teacher who wants to brainwashing the kids. The western elite & politicians do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomorra
I donīt like bankters either but it is manageable risk. Russians as they are are not managetable.Quote:
So do you think your enemy is Russia intead of globalist elite? Russians dont want to destroy and relativize my culture, they dont want to flood my country with migrants, i have never heard about any russian pedo-trans lmbt teacher who wants to brainwashing the kids. The western elite & politicians do that.
So you dont have any argument except history based hostility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomorra
If some foreigner or gay roams in my country. These kind of things we can solve. If Russian wants to be master of world. It is problematic. All these things which happens are reactive. You must understand that we finns and russians are neighbours. Everything affects our relationsship. We know each others very well.Quote:
So you dont have any argument except history based hostility.
Its not about "some foreigner" roams in your country, but its a complete population exchange, you can see it in West Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomorra
Whats your evidence that Russia wants to conquer the whole world?
No, he just simply didn't buy your dumb false dichotomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondie
You don't have to love Russia to hate globalists or vice versa.
He can reject both and opt for a third option.
He claimed something that Russia wants to conquer the world, i wanted to see evidence for that. We did not talk about choosing options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kess
Fox says to the bear why donīt you fish with your tail in winter? Bear is stupid and tries this. Bear puts itīs tail in to the lake and itīs freezes. Bear take his tail from frozen lake and loses his tail. We finns as a european outliners drive a european solution. Europe have to wake up and start to play own games. We are tired this current state. This costs too much. We are the third option. We only have to build very much military power. Nowadays only power is something. That is the way how wolrd works. This is somekind of dream. We will see. Germans are castrated but will europeans wake up is a big question. Everybody starts to be fucked up. That is a fact!
Okay its still a mystery that why do you think that Russia is more dangerous for the european civilization than the woke kultur, because you dont want to explain it. You just said: If some foreigner or gay roams in my country. These kind of things we can solve.. This is obviously not true if you check West Europe and the situation is getting worse year by year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomorra
I am not saying you must choose between them, im just curious why do you think Russia is more dangerous? Whats the evidence that Russia wants to conquer the whole world?
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Why should germans die for finns? Germany has tried to expand its hegemony and protection over the european continent for two times, other european did not want it, and they have fought against germans. Now your free and independent, you can do what you want. If you want war with Russia, its okay, but do it alone.
In reality the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is just that, between Russia and Ukraine. None of our business and no interest of Europe there to safeguard. Rather I should say not of the individual states of Europe. Maybe the evil EU and the dystopian US ruling classes have interests there. Why make ww3 over the Ukraine? They are the ones that provoked Russia with their war on the Donbas seceding republics and with trying to get into NATO, all because the globalists encouraged them or even made them do it. And not to forget their state restrictions against use of minority languages in education, including Russian which is spoken by a large minority in the country. The EU and US, if they were responsible, would pressure Ukraine into negotiating a compromise peace, where they might give up their claims on Crimea at least and maybe Donbas too. You have two cases of self-determination of the majority Russian populations there. Why not be reasonable and give peace a chance? Instead of this 'the West' is arming the Ukraine so the war can go on and more people will die. They are also talking of military conscription in their countries and want to intervene and make it ww3, but still blame Russia for wanting to escalate the war.
What Russian does have to offer? Vodka and prostitutes. Do you think that world will work with these virtues? Do you think that Putin fucker has something to offer us? We need a fuctional wolrd. Russians have lost their mind. Americans are crazy with their greediness. Therefore these options are not valid. Anyway there is a new time for security solutions. This woke talk is meaningless. Things to do...later.
Do you really have to like Russia to not go to war with it? It's not the USSR anymore and Putin is not going to invade neutral or NATO countries. Actually even Soviets just invaded countries that were in their sphere of influence typically, other than ww2 which they helped provoke with the Germans. Even in Afghanistan they were propping up an unpopular communist pro-Soviet regime. They won't invade Finland, Hungary or Romania out of the blue. Though if we keep provoking them with military aid for Ukraine, maybe they will... I mean they are giving them weapons to kill Russians. How long might they tolerate it? Hopefully they won't do anything crazy, the Russians. But Putin is no Hitler and doesn't want world supremacy or to conquer Europe. Let's all hope everything will be fine till November and then Trump gets elected and cuts a peace deal with Putin. If Trump is elected in America there isn't much he can do to 'make it great again'. I mean you've seen how maybe much of their youth is turning gay and trans and that study I posted that showed 1 in 3 Americans was the victim of sexual violence. There is no changing that over night, with democratic means and into something great. But he can stop the war the globalists want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomorra
And the reason for no Waffen SS units from Finland must be that it was an ally of Germany and contributed with it's whole military to the German war effort. Foreign SS units were raised in occupied countries or from friendly pows. Don't worry, Hitler liked Finland and Finns.:rolleyes:
Putin for sure would want to supremacy but he has not any means to do it. Letīs wait how USA elections goes. Russia have changed world and Europe for good. We cannot return back. Is it good or bad? I donīt know. My point of wiew is that Ukraine is miscalculation for Russia. There is nothing to win only ego. If USA is out then surely Russia wins in Ukraine. We will see a great parade!
i always wonder if a world thats "controlled" or heavily affected by putin would even be all that different. Im sure that russias neighboring countries would change quite a bit, to the point where whole identities are at stake, but if you ignore that, if you can, what would even change? Im sure some countries would benefit a bit, in case borders change to affect countries that russia had trouble with. Obviously thats also bad for some other countries. I guess the point im more so trying to make is i wouldnt expect things to be wholly different than from the current state, for example i wouldnt expect mass deportations, as russia is also quite anti nationalist. In my eyes it would just be a sort of soviet union, but without a goal
Im saying this, because i really havent felt threatened by a russian invasion. Its not like the current state of politics is worth protecting and it doesnt seem like russian politics would be a colossal change either.
Exactly. Meloni promised to deal with illegal immigration, but she couldn't do much. Just because Russia came to power instead of globalists or whatever, immigrants, gays, wokes etc. are not going to suddenly disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandenburgGaming
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/24...%20deportation.
I think i have never said that Putin should rule whole Europe. Its against the german interests. Putin has no such ambitions either, or if he has such ambitions, doesnt matter because the russian army is not able to conquer the european continent. Putin will not attacks NATO countries because it means nuclear armageddon. Nobody wants it. Its a paranoid fantasy that Putin will attack the NATO.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandenburgGaming
Like it or not, Russia is a great power and every great power has sphere of influence. In the case of Russia, these countries are Ukraine and some other. Now Russia just defends its own sphere of influence. Doesnt matter that we are agree with it or not, doesnt matter who is right, this is how every single great powers work. What would happens if Ireland would allow chinese military camps? In next day England would invade them as well. What would happens if Mexico would allow russian military camps? In next day the US Army would invade them. Because everyone defends their sphere of influence. Russia is not exception.
Nobody said that russians are perfect, or Putin is a perfect leader. Of course he isnt, its not a question, i dont agree with tons of things what Putin is doing in Russia, but its not my business. Its not my task to care about the russian domestic politics, but to care about my own country. In West the main enemy is our own elite who wants population exchange, woke, debt slavery by banks and such things.
i would generally agree, especially with the sphere of influence thing, im not one to judge eastern europe especially cause it feels like everyone has claims on each other there, theres so much history that is being ignored for the sake of nations that are aligned with the west. The thing is, politically i dont think putin is all that different from the west. In my opinion the only notable difference is that hes against gay stuff really. All things considered, as a german it probably couldnt get any worse, though im not one to get my hopes up anymore xdQuote:
Originally Posted by Blondie
the west is undeniably evil, but that doesnt make the east automatically better in my opinion. There are quite a few people with nostalgia for soviet times cause they remember there having been less immigrants for example, but they ignore the vietnamese, cubans, africans, or other eastern immigrants just because they were smaller in numbers compared to turks in the west for example. In reality they wouldve caused population replacement as well, it wouldve just taken longer. I view current russia like this as well, as they have no interests in preserving anything. Russian birthrates are negative as well, they bring in central asian immigrants in masses and arent doing anything about growing islam in russia. I mean if things remain as they are for them, eventually itll be no different for them as it is here. Theyve even used middle eastern immigrants as a weapon against nato on the polish border, all of those ended up here of course.
I just cant care about the west/east split because of things like this. Its all only about racism, nazism, fascism and imperialism for both of them, none care about their own people
I don't know how much of the world Russia wants to conquer, and I don't care. Russia wants to dominate Eastern Europe, and that's enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondie
Russia is an aggressive state that needs to lose the war in Ukraine.
Claiming Russia wants to conquer the world is obviously goofy, but the real question is why a Hungary German wants to make him like Russia so bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondie
It's just stupid, whether they want it or not. The probability of that happening is close to zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by dviz
I dont do that, no need to like Russia. Its your personal choice what country do you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kess
This war in Ukraine is only for building russians ego. Putin is a crazy man. He has lost his touch to reality. Russia has zero capability to be number one in the world. That is for sure. Russians have no any kind respect to Ukraine. I have seen it throught with my personal contacts with russians. The dices has been cast. So letīs see how things are going. I have nothing against russians but Russia itself has set herself a pariah state category. I donīt like USA either but as i said the dice have been rolled. Russia would have had many other options to affect to Ukraine and itīs relations to other European countries. This is very hard way but we will see how things are going. I did not meant to hurt anybody feelings. War is war and then the best men wins! I close this thread. See you! Gomorra.
If youre long awaited new chad Finnish member in the forum, i salute you, Gomorra!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomorra
By the way= Finlandssvensk come back, i will talk to you.