Cause i took a genetic test and that's my haplogroup.
Does anyone know if this is a white haplogroup?
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Cause i took a genetic test and that's my haplogroup.
Does anyone know if this is a white haplogroup?
Common in Bosnia & Herzegovina and Scandinavia, it is probably proto-Germanic. They suggest Gravettian (Upper Paleolithic).
I'm not sure what a White haplogroup is. Haplogroups really don't say anything about you racially.
Indeed. In a certain part of sub-Saharan Africa R1b is dominant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeagol
Well the clades are identifiable - usually. Some have myriad clusters (my YDNA can be European, European Jewish, or (less likely) Arabic). Plus your YDNA is about 1% of your DNA. Which is a notable amount. Your mtDNA says nothing about you (15,000 base pairs - 0.00002% of your 3.2 billion).Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Horatio http://www.theapricity.com/forum/ima...s/viewpost.gif Haplogroups really don't say anything about you racially.
one might easily draw that conclusion
from the information provided by research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y...DNA_haplogroup*
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...aplogroups.png
please, click-on image and use magnifier
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Originally Posted by lei.talk
Just from a brief glance, Doggerland is in the North Sea, not the Atlantic.
The map is also hugely oversimplified.
Longbowman http://www.theapricity.com/forum/ima...s/viewpost.gif Doggerland is in the North Sea, not the Atlantic. The map is also hugely oversimplified.
of course it is.
a totality of information
can not be presented nor grasped
in a single image. it is a starting point for a beginner.
*
Mea culpa.Quote:
Originally Posted by lei.talk
The original guy who had the group was either white or not...and he almost certainly was white so yes, it's white.
Sounds like smeagol has one of those sketchier y-dnas like e1b.
:p Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
E1b1b brought you agriculture and civilization. Next to I it's also the most ancient in Europe. Be grateful, fools :P
No, but of course it's a tiny fraction of your DNA. Doubtless we all have people who've been I, R, and E1b1b in our family trees.
Smeagol and Melonhead, what're your Y-DNA clades?
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Sketchy? :laugh:
The bearers of E1b introduced civilization to Egypt. They were ubermenschen.
Egypt, Europe...the entire world, Loki.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Let us not bother ourselves with this jealous nattering from the Asiatic Rs and the barbaric Is.
R1a.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
Pure R1a?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeagol
So your dad's the Russian/Russian-Jew?
My dad's mother was just Russian, his father was technically a Jew, but he had ethnic Russian blood as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
Well R1a is pretty common in Jews. Not J common, but common. ~8-13%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeagol
Looks less likely than it used to, since farming came to south greece long before it came to central europe, and much sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
I doubt I is most ancient in europe, too. Regardless it can't be any older than J or K because they all stem from IJK. Probably from greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
If your ancestors lived in small town white european areas until recently you probably are mostly r1b and r1b, not even necessarily any I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
I don't know, but if I had to guess I'd say R1a.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
Yes, but it's ultimate origin is either Eastern Europe, or Central Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
It was in Egypt before it was in Greece. Greece owes Egypt a lot. Bearers of E1b1b in both cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
What were the Phoenicians, I wonder? Probably also borrowed from Egypt.
Sorry but this is all incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
I probably did enter Europe through Greece. It got here first. It wins.
Farming came to Greece at the same time E1b1b appears there. Hence the supposition that E1b1b (possibly with some help from J2 and G) brought agriculture. Agriculture seems to have spread with E1b1b which is found at low levels throughout Europe and high levels in the Balkans.
You're wrong about the small towns thing. I is commoner in small towns here than is R.
Yes, as a European you're likely to be R. If not R, then I; if not I, then E1b1b.
Or India.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeagol
Obviously. The Jews aren't a purely Levantine race. They're primarily European if you believe mainstream genetic studies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeagol
I am a J here of J2 clade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
Commiserations. We can't all be E1b1b.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBeast-Martinv
Very Eastern Mediterranean!
No...that's not true at all. Egypt is much later than the mycenaen greeks, and they were not even the first greek culture. Greece had farming 7500 years ago according to latest archaeology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Egypt is really pretty new as far as ancient civilizations go. Pyramids are about 4k years old and that is VERY new.
Megalithic period is way, way older than egypt and in many ways probably more advanced. Malta, Ireland, North Africa, France, mycenaean greece (and sunken off the coast of egypt, as well). All these places built stuff that puts the pyramids to shame in many respects, both in overall size and in the size of individual blocks.
There's signs of ancient farming by the natufians 12k years ago in modern day israel and they were probably e1b, though. But there's also sign of possible farming 14k years ago in anatolia, and 12K years ago in china. Looks more and more like Egyptian civilization actually got started in north africa right as the sahara was drying up and becoming a desert again. So I would not be sure that they were e1b originally at all (which probably originates in levant or somewhere even further into eurasia).
E1b is definitely not originally a "black" clade as it's only recently darkened up, but it's definitely not white in the sense we'd think of it, probably more "caucasoid". Of course if your ancestors lived in a black or white area long enough that's what you will end up.
Yeah, and none of our ancestors were "white" if you go back far enough. Looked probably Khoisanid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
E1b is originally African. Only certain northern clades are white or Caucasian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
The sunken ruins off Egypt's coast are ancient Egyptian - these ruins have simply been claimed by shifting coastlines.
As for the rest, yes, farming started out a few thousand years before Europe in a couple of places. However, the wisdom on the subject is when it arrived in Europe around 5,500BC it came to the Balkans via Anatolia via E1b1b and possibly J and G, too. E1b1b managed to establish itself across Europe spreading agriculture.
E1b1b probably came to Greece before the beginning of ancient Egyptian civilization. In reality, Egyptians didn't really influence Greeks much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
Phoenicians I guess were close to ancient Israelites.Quote:
What were the Phoenicians, I wonder? Probably also borrowed from Egypt.
It is interesting that civilization developed independently in China as well roughly at this time.
No, Egypt is not much later than Mycenaean Greeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
I was going to correct some of the rest but just pointing out the above should allow people if they didn't know already be aware you're dumb as shit. You can't even get something very basic right, as in which civilization is older.
Yar, agree on both counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeagol
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...42#post2279942
Actually it was 9k years ago in greece. That's the oldest continuous farming known except for south china.
Earliest farming in egypt: 7k years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...t-farming.html
Earliest farming in greece, over 9k years ago:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12...c-initial.html
You really are an amazing shit for brains, you worthless fuck.
Actually I guess I should not have said mycenaean greek but aegean and pre agean greek...whatever. Mycenaean greek is a continuation of the same thing, whereas athenian greece is not.
E1b is not necessarily anything to do with either originally. The greeks themselves talk about j2 being their origin but that is doubtful. It's actually pretty clear that e1b came with the athenian greeks. It hasn't been there all along, or it would be spread through the whole balkans evenly which it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeagol
The neolithic farmers that came to central europe are NOT related to the greeks, they come thousands of years later and from another direction. They are probably not related to egyptians either.
http://courtneyhouse.com/wp-content/...t-ddutbncu.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Loki
All kidding aside I think it was aliens.
Where did I say anything about farming? You really got me on something I didn't comment on at all; good job. Should we throw it up to your reading disability?Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
I only spoke of your comment about Mycenaen Greek civilization being older than Egypt comment. Even you agree with me after a quick google search I was right but instead of acknowledging I'm right you pretend I said something I didn't.
Tell me again I have shit fr brains, while "correcting me" on something I didn't say.
Oh yes, Egypt is such a young civilization, lolz.
It's not likely to be african in origin, its brother clade is in india and it didn't make it to SSA until historic times FFS....Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
It's part of an ancient society that's completely unrelated to the pyramid builders and doesn't center in Egypt and is also caucasoid....Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
No, that is wrong on many counts. J was already in europe, and most of the neolithic farmers spreading into europe were G. E1B's role is not that clear but it's now clear that even if it were neolithic farmers, the ones coming into europe over land from the east are not related to the ones in the balkans which came much earlier....Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman