The Scytho-Turkic Z2125 branch:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...8&d=1420471326
compare with all Z93 branches + the non-correlating Indo-Aryan migration theory:
http://i023.radikal.ru/1407/59/cd24245b498a.png
The Andronovo culture is much too late for an Indo-Iranian identification since chariot-wielding "aR1ans" appear in Mitanni by the 15th to 16th century BC.
And last but not least compare Indo-Iranian autosomal dna:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QKR7A_zu-M...ndoiranian.jpg
So who invaded India? Ancient Turks?
Bullcrap. The Altaic languages are related to the C haplogroup, not the R1a, no matter what the Turkics say...
They surely suffer from identity crisis, since many of them are R1a-Z93, J2 etc, so a clades that have nothing to do with emergence of their language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
Some hypocrisies are summed up by internet lolcontent, like this one
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...65ec6be45e0de8
yet another, "Golden Woman" Scythian princess found in Kazahstan Terekti
description on the comb shows a war between Scythians and Iranians. so that's a big evidence, Scythians can't be fucking iranians
http://onturk.org/2014/08/20/altin-g...din/#more-4639
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2...=700&h=&crop=1
https://onturk.files.wordpress.com/2...=700&h=&crop=1
http://vimeo.com/109364371
Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
Scythians/sarmatians, is an old name for Slavs before Slaven word existed
They are suffering from an identity crisis because no Turks has ever done anything useful in the course of the entire history. Few Greeks belong to the R1b haplogroup which brought the Greek language to Greece either, but at least we can pride of something...Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Never heard of civil wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
I think Turkic ethnicity is a result of a Mongol women and an Aryan men. This is why Turks get highly r1a and r1b in Central Asia.
There is no such thing as Altaic languages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
That's obviously not true ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...386f9a50b65830
Agzi olan konusuyor.
scythians are not turkic
They were light haired Indoeuropean people
http://modrodnovery.com/wp-content/u...n-Warriors.gif
This pattern on scythian vase is same pattern we use, look at Croat below my forum name, its national pattern for us
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YilS2WjHzX.../Scythians.jpg
this reconstruction looks similar to me
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com...ruction%29.jpg
BTW, oldest records of our history, Roman bishop called us Sarmatians, this is before Sclaven word existed, and lists our people names, which are typical Slavic, therefore what was before Scythian/Sarmatian, now is Slavonic
http://tengrinews.kz/userdata/9(185).jpg
http://en.tengrinews.kz/science/Reco...khstan-255482/
crystal clear Turkic patterns, Turkic dress and Turkic symbol "ram" on top of her hood. There is nothing to discuss anymore...
http://turkkazak.com/site/wp-content...k-bayanlar.jpg
http://www.nethabercilik.com/images/...Y475518-01.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languagesQuote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_altaicas.pngQuote:
Altaic /ĉlˈteɪɨk/ is a proposed language family of central Eurasia. Various versions include the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Koreanic, and Japonic languages.[1] These languages are spoken in a wide arc stretching from northeast Asia through Central Asia to Anatolia and eastern Europe.[2] The group is named after the Altai Mountains, a mountain range in Central Asia.
The Altaic language families share numerous characteristics. The debate is over the origin of their similarities. One camp, often called the "Altaicists", views these similarities as arising from common descent from a proto-Altaic language spoken several thousand years ago. The other camp, often called the "anti-Altaicists", views these similarities as arising from areal interaction between the language groups concerned. Some linguists believe the case for either interpretation is about equally strong; they have been called the "skeptics".[3]
Another view accepts Altaic as a valid family but includes in it only Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic. This view was widespread prior to the 1960s, but has almost no supporters among specialists today.[4] The expanded grouping, including Korean and Japanese, came to be known as "Macro-Altaic", leading to the designation of the smaller grouping as "Micro-Altaic" by retronymy. Most proponents of Altaic continue to support the inclusion of Korean and Japanese.[5]
Micro-Altaic includes about 66 living languages,[6] to which Macro-Altaic would add Korean, Japanese, and the Ryukyuan languages for a total of about 74. (These are estimates, depending on what is considered a language and what is considered a dialect. They do not include earlier states of languages, such as Middle Mongol or Old Japanese.)
Those are turkic people, scythian people subdued them, like for instance, in Russia, you have lots of turkic people, but the "horde", are russians themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
Early slavs
croats
http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/z...1/konjanik.jpg
http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/z...tija191/10.jpg
Russians
http://s424.photobucket.com/user/thr...f6e8f.gif.html
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8637108_f520.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...kemichael1.jpg
http://weaponsandwarfare.com/wp-cont...r1-500x492.jpg
Ukrainians(Kievan Rus)
http://www.afield.org.ua/mod3/img/mod64_1_7.jpg
http://www.amr-museum.ru/images/news/news8.jpg
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/rogda...131981_900.jpg
Polish-Lithuanian
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-09VgEX1uH9...+Lithuanie.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ged_Riders.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.roosterte...c0849c49f3.jpg
Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pecheneg invaders and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?
The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.
http://i.hizliresim.com/A0yg7L.png
http://i.hizliresim.com/ay10zg.jpg
Genetically Bashkirs and Kyrgyz to be exact (see A. Klyosov). Any further questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
I know, but the theory is not accepted by most linguists. All these languages do have a relation to each other, not on a genetical level (with a common ancestor called Proto-Altaic), but on an areal level: they lived close to each other and developed some common features.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
Just like Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian and Albanian form what is called the Balkan Sprachbund for example in your case.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
Here is some food for thought:Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
“However, we may look upon the Altaic taxon from the other angle. That is, from the point of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic theory. Really, if the majority of linguists support the idea of the Indo-European family, then one should think twice before rejecting the Altaic taxon as a family, because the compactness of Altaic is greater.”
Yuri Tambovtsev. Novosibirsk Pedagogical University. Novosibirsk, Russia. “Language Taxons and the Naturalness of their Classification”. California Linguistic Notes. Volume XXX No. 2 Fall, 2005.
Nonsense. Bashkirs & Kyrgyz may be genetically related to them, but that doesn't make them the same people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Hċkan
even some surnames, for example Shevchenko. Shevchen is a noble well known Circassian familie. -ko means son like -ov -sson - oglu etc. Shevchenko means son of ShevchenQuote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
here is some more food for thought:
Prof. Tuna said in his last days: “We have likely worked in vain to reconstruct the Proto-Altaic;
what we have done was to reconstruct the Proto-Turkic.”
Shevchenko (alternative spellings Schevchenko, Ševčenko, Shevcenko, Szewczenko; Ukrainian: Шевченко), a family name of Ukrainian origin. It is derived from the Ukrainian word shvets (Ukrainian: швець), "cobbler/shoemaker", and the suffix -enko, denoting descent.Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shevchenko
:thumb001:
When you have an idea, try first to verify if it's not retarded.
Irrelevant, fucking idiot. The Hungarians speak a language spoken by a far away people whose common haplogroup is the N haplogroup: The Uralic languages:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._languages.pngQuote:
The Uralic languages /jʊˈrĉlɨk/ (sometimes called Uralian /jʊˈreɪliən/ languages) constitute a language family of some 38[2] languages spoken by approximately 25 million people. The Uralic languages with the most native speakers are Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian, which are official languages of Hungary, Finland, and Estonia, respectively, and of the European Union. Other Uralic languages with significant numbers of speakers are Erzya, Moksha, Mari, Udmurt, and Komi, which are officially recognized languages in various regions of Russia.
The name "Uralic" derives from the fact that areas where the languages are spoken spread on both sides of the Ural Mountains. Also, the original homeland (Urheimat) is commonly hypothesized to lie in the vicinity of the Urals.
Finno-Ugric is sometimes used as a synonym for Uralic, though Finno-Ugric is widely understood to exclude the Samoyedic languages.[3]
Yet the Hungarians have a measly 1% N haplogroup! Nevertheless, it is more than certain that the N haplogroup generated the Uralic languages, because all of the Uralic speakers share a common haplogroup ONLY, the N haplogroup.
In a similar fashion, the Altaic speaking people might be majority R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N, but the only haplogroup present in all of the Altaic speaking countries (from Turkey to Japan) is the C haplogroup... And its' maximum concentration is in Khazakstan, which is pretty close to the place where the Altaic languages were originally spoken...
All satem Indo-European languages have a common haplogroup: R1a, just as all R1b Indo-European languages have a common haplogroup: R1b.Quote:
The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.
Quote:
Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pecheneg invaders and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?
The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.
http://i.hizliresim.com/A0yg7L.png
http://i.hizliresim.com/ay10zg.jpg
you turks are retarded, in east europe and steppe ,horsmen were main type of warrior, but you are not Indo europeans, early turks are mongoloid, and you guys today are primarily anatolian, with minor mongol admix
Scythians were light haired people with Indoeuropan genes, and as study has shown they were not similar to Caucasus people
Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations of eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[38] The ubiquity and utter dominance of R1a Y-DNA lineage
Bashkirs & Kyrgyz have the only haplotypes which are reasonably similar to that people who migrated 3400 years ago into India. This shows just the fallacy of the eurocentrics trying to own ancient Central Asians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
Well, even if they have a relation in an areal level, this is enough proof enough to suggest that the speakers of Japanese and Koreans once lived close to the speakers of Turkish. This happened somewhere in Siberia, and the languages were moved from Japan and Korea all the way to Turkey by a small number of the C haplogroup nobility...Quote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
What the authors says is that if Indo-European is accepted as a language family, then he/she should also accept an Altaic language family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Hċkan
Indo-European is as much spread as Altaic in area anyway...
Reconstructions of proto-languages are not proving anything. Much of the Altaic languages vanished, and as a result the reconstruction could be impossible...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Hċkan
once agian
Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations of eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[38] The ubiquity and utter dominance of R1a Y-DNA lineage
The IndoEuropeans have some roots in Western Asia, not much in Central Asia. The only proof of early Indo-Europeans in Central Asia are the Tokharians, and they are relatively late as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Hċkan
Gultekin is by definition retarded. He is a Turk of the highest order!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
think more in the Nostratic way, then the world becomes easier... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
slavs have more to do with scythians than altaic turks because both are at least indoeuropean people but turks were orginally just mongols and they still speak a non-indoeuropean language. The scythians spoke northeastern iranic languages like modern ossetians and they were genocided by turks so please stop to claim the heritage of themQuote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
:) so and what means -ko :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
funny guy, there is also an Shovgen-ovsky rajon in Adigeya
Территория Русские Адыгейцы Армяне Украинцы Курды
г. Майкоп 72,6 % 16,7 % 3,0 % 2,5 % 0,0 %
г. Адыгейск 18,1 % 78,4 % 0,4 % 0,6 % -
Сельская местность
г. Майкопа 79,9 % 6,0 % 2,3 % 2,6 % 0,8 %
Гиагинский р-н 86,7 % 2,8 % 3,1 % 2,1 % 0,1 %
Кошехабльский р-н 43,0 % 49,4 % 2,0 % 0,8 % -
Красногвардейский р-н 63,0 % 17,3 % 1,8 % 1,7 % 10,3 %
Майкопский р-н 81,2 % 1,5 % 10,0 % 2,8 % 0,1 %
Тахтамукайский р-н 54,7 % 34,7 % 2,6 % 1,8 % 0,1 %
Теучежский р-н 27,2 % 68,4 % 1,0 % 0,8 % 0,1 %
Шовгеновский р-н 33,6 % 62,5 % 0,4 % 0,7 % 0,0 %
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90...B3%D0%B5%D1%8F
indoeuropeans didnt orginated in west asia, they orginated somewhere in the pontic-caspian steppe and central asia was very early populated by them also because it is not far away from the eastern european steppeQuote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
I recently had an eye at the article on Altaic at wiki and saw that Ainu was included. I never heard of that theory. Ainu are known to carry the y-haplogroup D which is also common in Tibet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis