Hello everyone, I was just wondering which haplogroups could be the most common in Italy, because it seems really hard to answer.
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Hello everyone, I was just wondering which haplogroups could be the most common in Italy, because it seems really hard to answer.
North and central Italy, R1b predominates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neman
Southern Italy and Sicily, J2 predominates.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lhWCwe5PVI...-R1bItalia.png
https://s31.postimg.org/oydqd4ui3/13...92379650_n.jpg
Thank you! Can you explain me what they mean?
It's easy, there are many papers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neman
http://i.imgur.com/jzpUVTJ.jpg
http://www.eupedia.com/images/conten...Y-DNA-maps.jpg
Northern and central Italy have strong Italo-Celtic input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neman
Southern Italy has some affinities to the Levant and Near East.
There is also southern Balkan input (Illyrian/Albanian and Greek) in southern Italy which can be seen in the frequency of haplogroup E1b1b, and its subclades.
Other maps
https://i0.wp.com/www.venarbol.net/w...nies_italy.jpg
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....images/R1b.png
http://i.imgur.com/PXjLKYA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kowovfT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LX0OzhG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/B9QTFbG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eeVYOSH.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/acvuzf9np/13...90145252_n.jpg
^ Yes.. as can be seen the Near Eastern impact is higher in the south, and the Italo-Celtic in the north.
Here are some other Italy maps about various Y-Dna haplogroups:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ly-history.jpg
Seems to be that of the main haplogroups, according the 4 regional division of Italy (North, Central, South & Sardinia), would be this:
R1b: North
R1a: North
I1: North
I2: Sardinia
J1: Central
J2: Central
E1b1: South
Yeah, I wonder how common R1b-M269 is in Italy. Probably not that common. But in general it shows North is mostly R1b/R1a and south is levant/North African shifted haplos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Seems to be that if we just take North Italy as a country, it would be even moro R1b than the entire iberian peninsula. In average, italians have around 60% of R1b or even less, they have more J2, I1, I2 and E1b1. Also the U152 would be the Uber clade there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso
R1B is still the most dominant haplogroup in Sicily (south Italy):
https://i.imgur.com/Sotul2l.png
My sicilian grandfather is R1b, so makes sense that is dominant there, but still only 1/4 of the population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamm
Yes true, is your sicilian grandfather from the maternal side?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Yep! From maternal side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamm
Some R1b-U152 subclades
Z56 (Italic)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...97/Z56_map.png
Z36 (Gaulish)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...10/Z36_map.png
I don't know who made these maps, if anyone know please tell me so I can properly put their name here
Would make sense that Z56 had the Z36 map, right? i mean... Almost no gaulish clade in France xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Ethel
I think it's because Z36 is specifically cisalpine gaulish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Another relevant one is L2 but I haven't found a European-wide L2 map, Wikipedia says its highest frequencies are found in:
"
Germans
Northern and Western Italians
French
Swiss
"
https://www.eupedia.com/images/conte...-U152-tree.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Ethel
Seems to be that the most italic clade is the Z56, the most gaulish the L2 (is bigger than i thought) and the most germanic would be the Z36.
Also, another curious thing is how much U152 is in bashkirs.
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...p-r1b-u152.png
Yes, no doubt Z56 is italicQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
I think both L2 and Z36 can be associated with gauls.
Why do you think Z36 is germanic? I think it correlates perfectly with the gaulish settlement in Northern Italy, maybe you've got this impression because there's a hotspot near the black forest?
Look at this passage, by Eupedia:
"This is probably the migration that brought the Italic-speaking tribes to Italy, who would have belonged mainly the Z56 clade of R1b-U152. During the Iron Age, the expansion of the La Tène culture from Switzerland is associated with the diffusion of the Z36 branch, which would generate the Belgae around modern Belgium and in the Rhineland, the Gauls in France, and the Cisalpine Celts in Italy."
I guess if Z36 were germanic it would be higher in Triveneto region rather than Piedmont and Lombardy :icon_ask:
I said germanic just to differentiate with the L2 that seems to be very gaulish like, almost all clades are in France, Central Europe, Belgium, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethel
But now i am realizing, a lot of germanic-like last names with L2:
Kevin Costner
Matthew Perry
Grover Cleveland
Abraham Lincoln
Even the Habsburgs are L2 too, curious, seems to be that this L2 is that large that has gaulish clades but also saxon and germanic.
L2 might be just a general central euro clade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Now for Z36, I think it's safe to say that it's just alpine celtic/cisalpine gaulish