New Ancestry DNA update help!

https://s26.postimg.cc/jg9y9qhbp/fullsizeoutput_4fd.jpg these are my old results shows almost 20% italy/greece which is my albanian side along with some eastern europe and and middle east then all of a sudden this
https://s26.postimg.cc/wkfimfh39/fullsizeoutput_4fe.jpg
a 33% increase in my british and almost all my other populations drop off that seems a little extreme. Like now according to this I am extremely british and northern european my ftdna and other tests have never pointed to this nor has my gedmatch.

Just for reference here was my gencove https://s26.postimg.cc/lp1wkjp3p/Scr...2.07.37_AM.png

my ftdnahttps://s26.postimg.cc/yt7gx9c0l/Scr...2.10.53_AM.png
https://s26.postimg.cc/gdmzzrifp/Scr...2.06.11_AM.png

I am not denying I obviously have Northern European ancestry but for the spike to be this extreme seems a little odd and bizarre [hr][quote=cvolt,(time=1529023126)]Not everyone has access to it yet.

Yet this just seems so innacurate that a population would have a 33% increase while losing a 20% population which has been proven I have throughout many other tests. What are you opinions?

I still can't see the update

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Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen

I still can't see the update

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But doesnt this seem really odd

The update entailed that it has a larger sample size that its algorithm reads more readily that is fine-tuned to process faster and more concisely with its regional components. Which is why the previous broad components are getting absorbed into its new software. Essentially, your broad Central and Southern Euro components dissipated and got reabsorbed into Germanic Europe, British Isles and Spain components.

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Originally Posted by de Burgh II

The update entailed that it has a larger sample size that its algorithm reads more readily that is fine-tuned to process faster and more concisely with its regional components. Which is why the previous broad components are getting absorbed into its new software. Essentially, your broad Central and Southern Euro components dissipated and got reabsorbed into Germanic Europe, British Isles and Spain components.

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So do you think it is pretty inaccurate? As this new algorithm literally contradicts every other test and gedmatch I have done. I could not possible be that British and Irish and a 33% increase as absolutely crazy. Also how does 20% just disappear and become German when southern Europe and Germany don't share the same ethnic Male up

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

So do you think it is pretty inaccurate? As this new algorithm literally contradicts every other test and gedmatch I have done. I could not possible be that British and Irish and a 33% increase as absolutely crazy. Also how does 20% just disappear and become German when southern Europe and Germany don't share the same ethnic Male up

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When you read between the lines for each component; there is a very generalized overlap with countries that the samples encompass collectively that varies from very little to alot of said genetic relatedness percentage-wise. Seeing that the previous version lacks the robust sample size of the new update; it suffers statistically speaking. In other words, the previous update compared to the present update is less accurate. Wouldn't say its inaccurate per se, but genetically speaking, the more mixed you are, the harder it is to give an accurate prediction for your various ancestries.

Your best bet is to upload your raw data to gedmatch and see your ancestral breakdown approximately.

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Originally Posted by de Burgh II

When you read between the lines for each component; there is a very generalized overlap with countries that the samples encompass collectively that varies from very little to alot of said genetic relatedness percentage-wise. Seeing that the previous version lacks the robust sample size of the new update; it suffers statistically speaking. In other words, the previous update compared to the present update is less accurate. Wouldn't say its inaccurate per se, but genetically speaking, the more mixed you are, the harder it is to give an accurate prediction for your various ancestries.

Your best bet is to upload your raw data to gedmatch and see your ancestral breakdown approximately.

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I already uploaded the ancestry dna from the previous or old update. But I'm just saying a 33% increase in English is a huge leap it's like they just got rid of everything and decided to just make me super Irish. Which is kind of making me mad because what this is saying andnmy ftfna and my gedmatch sah doesnt match this

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

I already uploaded the ancestry dna from the previous or old update. But I'm just saying a 33% increase in English is a huge leap it's like they just got rid of everything and decided to just make me super Irish. Which is kind of making me mad because what this is saying andnmy ftfna and my gedmatch sah doesnt match this

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I acknowledge that you have a point in regards with the tremendous, upwards leap in your ancestral component that I'll admit, like you said, is very odd in nature. Nevertheless, when you look at Europe's genetic signatures that collectively defines each branch of Europe; without advanced technology to autosomally isolate each country that alot of academic researchers/studies have at their disposal; Ancestry suffers in this regard since it only has technology to separate its genetic signatures in clumps or components via its heat mapping and limited ranges of its collected sample size's locations. Thus, this may be one possibility to your predicament.

Nevertheless, let us consider other said possibilities to explain your current predicament for why it is reacting the way it is. Another possibility is that your autosomal dna is too generalized for a specific area rather than a specific country. Meaning that, the algorithms can't detect any peculiar genetic data via snps that is representative to a specific country. In this situation, this is where 23andMe excels in this regard. That is synonymous with 23andMe's "Broadly European" components; your dna is peculiar to a certain area in Europe, but too mixed/generalized to be more specific to a country genetically speaking.

https://i.imgur.com/ApcV4gt.gif

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Originally Posted by de Burgh II

I acknowledge that you have a point in regards with the tremendous, upwards leap in your ancestral component that I'll admit, like you said, is very odd in nature. Nevertheless, when you look at Europe's genetic signatures that collectively defines each branch of Europe; without advanced technology to autosomally isolate each country that alot of academic researchers/studies have at their disposal; Ancestry suffers in this regard since it only has technology to separate its genetic signatures in clumps or components via its heat mapping and limited ranges of its collected sample size's locations. Thus, this may be one possibility to your predicament.

Nevertheless, let us consider other said possibilities to explain your current predicament for why it is reacting the way it is. Another possibility is that your autosomal dna is too generalized for a specific area rather than a specific country. Meaning that, the algorithms can't detect any peculiar genetic data via snps that is representative to a specific country. In this situation, this is where 23andMe excels in this regard. That is synonymous with 23andMe's "Broadly European" components; your dna is peculiar to a certain area in Europe, but too mixed/generalized to be more specific to a country genetically speaking.

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So because I have such a mix some eastern European scandanivia some west Asia and middle eastern trade amounts around 5% and all of these things it could have just thrown the algorithm off and thus just clustered me as a northern Europe? Also as you said I found it odd brcusse my highest population was Irish and then southern europe at 20% but all of a sudden English and Irish jumped and my 20% was just gone. I might try testing with 23andme do you find them more accurate then ancestry. Also I'm goj g to give ancestry a call because at the end of the day this new algorithm doesnt match up with any of my tests as I have already stated. I am just kind of in shock because when you spend as much as you do with ancestry yok expect quality and things here arent really adding up

Also I am kind of new to this whole genealogy thing so it can be pretty confusing at tomes

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

So because I have such a mix some eastern European scandanivia some west Asia and middle eastern trade amounts around 5% and all of these things it could have just thrown the algorithm off and thus just clustered me as a northern Europe? Also as you said I found it odd brcusse my highest population was Irish and then southern europe at 20% but all of a sudden English and Irish jumped and my 20% was just gone. I might try testing with 23andme do you find them more accurate then ancestry. Also I'm goj g to give ancestry a call because at the end of the day this new algorithm doesnt match up with any of my tests as I have already stated. I am just kind of in shock because when you spend as much as you do with ancestry yok expect quality and things here arent really adding up

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I would say calling/emailing them would be a good move to make sense of everything with the new update. As you said, there seems to be a clear inconsistency that should be sorted out with the test.

Nevertheless, best regards for your success to find the truth/problem with the update! :)

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

I already uploaded the ancestry dna from the previous or old update. But I'm just saying a 33% increase in English is a huge leap it's like they just got rid of everything and decided to just make me super Irish. Which is kind of making me mad because what this is saying andnmy ftfna and my gedmatch sah doesnt match this

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You don't look super Irish at all from that update. Your Irish component actually decreased by 2% from the older version. It looks very Germanic to me. The England/Wales category is similar to the old Great Britain/Europe West Category and you also get a good amount of the Germanic Europe on top of that. A lot of people are losing their low confidence or trace regions. I lost all mine with the update.

Mine hasn't changed even a tiny bit..

I still have the old version. No Germanic Europe but instead ''Europe West'' and no Italy but instead ''Europe South''. I've seen the update in some of my matches and especially the once that have tested much later than me.

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

You don't look super Irish at all from that update. Your Irish component actually decreased by 2% from the older version. It looks very Germanic to me. The England/Wales category is similar to the old Great Britain/Europe West Category and you also get a good amount of the Germanic Europe on top of that. A lot of people are losing their low confidence or trace regions. I lost all mine with the update.

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But how is my southern Europe at 20% a low confidence region on my old update literally it was my second highest competent and it just dropped off that doesnt make much sense does it. Like 20% isnt low confidence. Also if you look at my gedmatch and ftdna and other tests they do not reflect me being almost 80% from UK. Also a 33% increase is absolutely insane how could they have been that off from the old test. Also how did my German side which was the 4 lowest now some hiw become more accurate then my second highest population which was southern Europe. This doesnt make sense and goes against my gedmatch and many other tests

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Originally Posted by Alessio

I still have the old version. No Germanic Europe but instead ''Europe West'' and no Italy but instead ''Europe South''. I've seen the update in some of my matches and especially the once that have tested much later than me.

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As I said though Italy Greece was my second highest population and the new update just completely dropped that from me and even my albanian Greece was 25% on other tests so just to drop it and seems odd

i havent gotten the update at all, im fucking mad asf right now nigga

I wouldnt worry too much about it. Ancestry is only more meaningful for african ancestry. And geneology as well as dna relatives

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Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

I wouldnt worry too much about it. Ancestry is only more meaningful for african ancestry. And geneology as well as dna relatives

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So ancestry is only good for african dna? I am just super mad because this makes no sense like their calculations. I guess I will do 23andme and see how it is in comparision and I will do actually ftdna now.

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

But how is my southern Europe at 20% a low confidence region on my old update literally it was my second highest competent and it just dropped off that doesnt make much sense does it. Like 20% isnt low confidence. Also if you look at my gedmatch and ftdna and other tests they do not reflect me being almost 80% from UK. Also a 33% increase is absolutely insane how could they have been that off from the old test. Also how did my German side which was the 4 lowest now some hiw become more accurate then my second highest population which was southern Europe. This doesnt make sense and goes against my gedmatch and many other tests

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It has really to do with the algorithms and what samples they use. As they get more populations to compare to and better methods people's results will change. Do you have known Southern European ancestry? What is your known ancestry mix? People also think that these dna companies show admixture when that is not their aim. They are all based on modern population samples and mainly geared to the American market. My new update is 100% Ireland/Scotland so very uninteresting but it is accurate for my known ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

It has really to do with the algorithms and what samples they use. As they get more populations to compare to and better methods people's results will change. Do you have known Southern European ancestry? What is your known ancestry mix? People also think that these dna companies show admixture when that is not their aim. They are all based on modern population samples and mainly geared to the American market. My new update is 100% Ireland/Scotland so very uninteresting but it is accurate for my known ancestry.

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Yes we have a lot of southern Europe ancestry my mother is 50 percent so me being around 20 seemed pretty accurate. Also compared qutb all the other data this makes the least sense.

According to this new test my mom isnt even my mom as before do you think I should ignore the results as they are in beta?

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Originally Posted by de Burgh II

When you read between the lines for each component; there is a very generalized overlap with countries that the samples encompass collectively that varies from very little to alot of said genetic relatedness percentage-wise. Seeing that the previous version lacks the robust sample size of the new update; it suffers statistically speaking. In other words, the previous update compared to the present update is less accurate. Wouldn't say its inaccurate per se, but genetically speaking, the more mixed you are, the harder it is to give an accurate prediction for your various ancestries.

Your best bet is to upload your raw data to gedmatch and see your ancestral breakdown approximately.

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23andme does a pretty good job when having tested at least 1 parent from my experience. AncestryDNA gives me 28% Southern Europe, 10% Iberia, 11% Caucasus, 5% Jewish and 2% ME (My Campanian side). The rest is Europe West and British which seems to represent my North Dutch side.

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Originally Posted by Alessio

23andme does a pretty good job when having tested at least 1 parent from my experience. AncestryDNA gives me 28% Southern Europe, 10% Iberia, 11% Caucasus, 5% Jewish and 2% ME (My Campanian side). The rest is Europe West and British which seems to represent my North Dutch side.

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I am going to call and for right now might ignore the results as they are in beta. Like I said I have my moms nephew as a match and now according to ancestry they are no longer related to me. So I think it might have to due with beta

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

I am going to call and for right now might ignore the results as they are in beta. Like I said I have my moms nephew as a match and now according to ancestry they are no longer related to me. So I think it might have to due with beta

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Could be, what does GEDmatch give you?

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

Yes we have a lot of southern Europe ancestry my mother is 50 percent so me being around 20 seemed pretty accurate. Also compared qutb all the other data this makes the least sense.

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So what's you father's ancestry?

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Originally Posted by Alessio

Could be, what does GEDmatch give you?

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South_and_West_European 44.79
2 North_and_East_European 35.89
3 Caucaus_Parsia 10.88
4 Middle_East 7.31
5 Sub_Saharian 0.59
6 North_Asian 0.28
7 Arctic_Amerind 0.11
8 Mesoamerican 0.1
9 Paleo_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 1.76
2 Croatian 2.95
3 Serbian 3.53
4 Hungarian 4.48
5 Austrian 4.99
6 German-South 5.6
7 German_V 5.95
8 Slovenian 6.3
9 Montenegrin 6.31
10 Macedonian 6.71
11 CEU_V 7.76
12 CEU 8.51
13 Croatian_V 8.56
14 Swiss 8.62
15 British 8.83
16 Czech 9.06
17 Bulgarian 9.24
18 Welsh 9.42
19 German 9.51
20 Orcadian 9.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% German-North + 28.7% Italian-Center @ 0.71
2 60% Macedonian + 40% German-North @ 0.79
3 73.3% German-North + 26.7% Italian-South @ 0.8
4 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Serbian @ 0.84
5 68.9% Croatian + 31.1% Montenegrin @ 0.85
6 87.5% German_V + 12.5% Jew_Tunisia @ 0.88
7 85% Bosnian + 15% Swiss @ 0.9
8 70.8% Montenegrin + 29.2% Sorb @ 0.91
9 76.7% German_V + 23.3% Ashkenazim_V @ 0.91
10 87.4% Bosnian + 12.6% Provancal @ 0.92
11 84.1% Serbian + 15.9% Polish_V @ 0.93
12 87.9% German_V + 12.1% Jew_Libya @ 0.95
13 71.8% German-North + 28.2% Greek_East @ 0.95
14 81.7% Serbian + 18.3% Sorb @ 0.96
15 74.3% Montenegrin + 25.7% Polish_V @ 0.96
16 70.5% German-North + 29.5% Greek_Center @ 0.96
17 52% Bulgarian + 48% German-North @ 0.97
18 88.3% Serbian + 11.7% Lithuanian_V @ 0.97
19 67.3% Swedish + 32.7% Greek_East @ 0.97
20 96.2% Bosnian + 3.8% Gok4 @ 0.97

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# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.41
2 Mediterranean 32.43
3 Caucasian 12.8
4 SW_Asian 4.17
5 Wht_Nile_River 0.51
6 W_African 0.43
7 Amerindian 0.14
8 Horn_Of_Africa 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.47
2 French 4.3
3 South_German 4.53
4 Utahn_White 5.05
5 Croatian 6.28
6 Bosnian 7.67
7 Hungarian 7.68
8 Irish 7.69
9 Macedonian 7.79
10 English 8
11 Austrian 8.12
12 Orcadian 8.5
13 Slovenian 8.63
14 Romanian 8.7
15 Bulgarian 9.53
16 Scottish 9.77
17 North_German 10.17
18 Montenegrin 11.17
19 Norwegian 11.62
20 Italian 13.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% Scottish + 17.7% Cypriot @ 1.19
2 70% English + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.24
3 85.1% English + 14.9% Cypriot @ 1.24
4 65.6% Scottish + 34.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.29
5 72.5% English + 27.5% Greek_Central @ 1.3
6 70.8% Orcadian + 29.2% Tuscan @ 1.34
7 53% Romanian + 47% Scottish @ 1.39
8 71.3% Irish + 28.7% Albanian @ 1.43
9 68.3% Scottish + 31.7% Greek_Central @ 1.43
10 52.2% English + 47.8% Romanian @ 1.44
11 69.2% Orcadian + 30.8% Albanian @ 1.46
12 50.6% Orcadian + 49.4% Romanian @ 1.48
13 59.5% Swedish + 40.5% Tuscan @ 1.49
14 59.5% Irish + 40.5% Montenegrin @ 1.5
15 68.8% Orcadian + 31.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.51
16 73% Irish + 27% Tuscan @ 1.52
17 66% Scottish + 34% Albanian @ 1.52
18 67.8% Scottish + 32.2% Tuscan @ 1.54
19 91.3% Utahn_White + 8.7% Druze @ 1.55
20 53.4% Scottish + 46.6% Montenegrin @ 1.55

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# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 43.86
2 SW_Europe 35.79
3 West_Asia 12.25
4 SW_Asia 5.07
5 East_Africa 1.54
6 Americas 0.97
7 NE_Asia 0.27
8 Oceania 0.19
9 South_Asia 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.99
2 German_South 3.7
3 Hungarian 3.93
4 Belgian 4.72
5 Slovene 4.9
6 Bosnian 5.08
7 English 5.29
8 French 5.73
9 Scottish 6.29
10 Slovak 6.64
11 Orcadian 6.7
12 Moldavian 6.71
13 Serbian 6.99
14 Irish 7.06
15 Utahn_European 7.25
16 German_North 8.97
17 Montenegrin 9.75
18 Romanian 11.45
19 Ukrainian 11.49
20 Macedonian 11.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Scottish + 10.5% Egyptian_Copts @ 1.3
2 89.2% Scottish + 10.8% Egyptian @ 1.35
3 95.4% German_South + 4.6% Amhara @ 1.39
4 95.3% German_South + 4.7% Tigray @ 1.42
5 70.6% Utahn_European + 29.4% Kosovar @ 1.57
6 95.8% German_South + 4.2% Oromo @ 1.58
7 77.5% Utahn_European + 22.5% Greek_Central @ 1.58
8 95.9% German_South + 4.1% Somali @ 1.6
9 72.7% Utahn_European + 27.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.6
10 61.9% Utahn_European + 38.1% Macedonian @ 1.62
11 71.8% Utahn_European + 28.2% Albanian @ 1.64
12 88.6% Orcadian + 11.4% Egyptian @ 1.67
13 95.8% German_South + 4.2% Wolayta @ 1.69
14 81.1% Utahn_European + 18.9% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.73
15 87.8% Orcadian + 12.2% Jordanian @ 1.75
16 90% English + 10% Syrian @ 1.76
17 80.5% Utahn_European + 19.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.77
18 85.7% Utahn_European + 14.3% Cypriot @ 1.79
19 81.5% Irish + 18.5% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.8
20 91% English + 9% Egyptian @ 1.81

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Central_Greek @ 2.03
2 76.9% Irish + 23.1% East_Sicilian @ 2.03
3 75.9% North_Dutch + 24.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.08
4 82.9% Irish + 17.1% Cyprian @ 2.18
5 79.6% North_Dutch + 20.4% South_Italian @ 2.21
6 73.3% Irish + 26.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.24
7 84.4% Irish + 15.6% Samaritan @ 2.25
8 78.6% North_Dutch + 21.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.28
9 84.7% Irish + 15.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.37
10 78.2% North_Dutch + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 2.37
11 72.3% West_Scottish + 27.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.38
12 74.3% Irish + 25.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.39
13 77% North_Dutch + 23% West_Sicilian @ 2.39
14 94.7% South_Dutch + 5.3% Lezgin @ 2.41
15 94.6% South_Dutch + 5.4% Tabassaran @ 2.42
16 75.7% West_Scottish + 24.3% Central_Greek @ 2.43
17 78.2% Irish + 21.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.46
18 94.8% South_Dutch + 5.2% Chechen @ 2.46
19 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Georgian @ 2.5
20 95.2% South_Dutch + 4.8% Adygei @ 2.53

These are my gedmatch results so these dont add up at all with my current ancestry results like usually my med is around 30-32 which slight traces as you can see around 10% of the middle east. Which would you trust more ancestry or gedmatch?

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

South_and_West_European 44.79
2 North_and_East_European 35.89
3 Caucaus_Parsia 10.88
4 Middle_East 7.31
5 Sub_Saharian 0.59
6 North_Asian 0.28
7 Arctic_Amerind 0.11
8 Mesoamerican 0.1
9 Paleo_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian 1.76
2 Croatian 2.95
3 Serbian 3.53
4 Hungarian 4.48
5 Austrian 4.99
6 German-South 5.6
7 German_V 5.95
8 Slovenian 6.3
9 Montenegrin 6.31
10 Macedonian 6.71
11 CEU_V 7.76
12 CEU 8.51
13 Croatian_V 8.56
14 Swiss 8.62
15 British 8.83
16 Czech 9.06
17 Bulgarian 9.24
18 Welsh 9.42
19 German 9.51
20 Orcadian 9.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% German-North + 28.7% Italian-Center @ 0.71
2 60% Macedonian + 40% German-North @ 0.79
3 73.3% German-North + 26.7% Italian-South @ 0.8
4 54.8% Croatian + 45.2% Serbian @ 0.84
5 68.9% Croatian + 31.1% Montenegrin @ 0.85
6 87.5% German_V + 12.5% Jew_Tunisia @ 0.88
7 85% Bosnian + 15% Swiss @ 0.9
8 70.8% Montenegrin + 29.2% Sorb @ 0.91
9 76.7% German_V + 23.3% Ashkenazim_V @ 0.91
10 87.4% Bosnian + 12.6% Provancal @ 0.92
11 84.1% Serbian + 15.9% Polish_V @ 0.93
12 87.9% German_V + 12.1% Jew_Libya @ 0.95
13 71.8% German-North + 28.2% Greek_East @ 0.95
14 81.7% Serbian + 18.3% Sorb @ 0.96
15 74.3% Montenegrin + 25.7% Polish_V @ 0.96
16 70.5% German-North + 29.5% Greek_Center @ 0.96
17 52% Bulgarian + 48% German-North @ 0.97
18 88.3% Serbian + 11.7% Lithuanian_V @ 0.97
19 67.3% Swedish + 32.7% Greek_East @ 0.97
20 96.2% Bosnian + 3.8% Gok4 @ 0.97

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# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.41
2 Mediterranean 32.43
3 Caucasian 12.8
4 SW_Asian 4.17
5 Wht_Nile_River 0.51
6 W_African 0.43
7 Amerindian 0.14
8 Horn_Of_Africa 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.47
2 French 4.3
3 South_German 4.53
4 Utahn_White 5.05
5 Croatian 6.28
6 Bosnian 7.67
7 Hungarian 7.68
8 Irish 7.69
9 Macedonian 7.79
10 English 8
11 Austrian 8.12
12 Orcadian 8.5
13 Slovenian 8.63
14 Romanian 8.7
15 Bulgarian 9.53
16 Scottish 9.77
17 North_German 10.17
18 Montenegrin 11.17
19 Norwegian 11.62
20 Italian 13.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.3% Scottish + 17.7% Cypriot @ 1.19
2 70% English + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.24
3 85.1% English + 14.9% Cypriot @ 1.24
4 65.6% Scottish + 34.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.29
5 72.5% English + 27.5% Greek_Central @ 1.3
6 70.8% Orcadian + 29.2% Tuscan @ 1.34
7 53% Romanian + 47% Scottish @ 1.39
8 71.3% Irish + 28.7% Albanian @ 1.43
9 68.3% Scottish + 31.7% Greek_Central @ 1.43
10 52.2% English + 47.8% Romanian @ 1.44
11 69.2% Orcadian + 30.8% Albanian @ 1.46
12 50.6% Orcadian + 49.4% Romanian @ 1.48
13 59.5% Swedish + 40.5% Tuscan @ 1.49
14 59.5% Irish + 40.5% Montenegrin @ 1.5
15 68.8% Orcadian + 31.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.51
16 73% Irish + 27% Tuscan @ 1.52
17 66% Scottish + 34% Albanian @ 1.52
18 67.8% Scottish + 32.2% Tuscan @ 1.54
19 91.3% Utahn_White + 8.7% Druze @ 1.55
20 53.4% Scottish + 46.6% Montenegrin @ 1.55

Puntdnal k13


# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 43.86
2 SW_Europe 35.79
3 West_Asia 12.25
4 SW_Asia 5.07
5 East_Africa 1.54
6 Americas 0.97
7 NE_Asia 0.27
8 Oceania 0.19
9 South_Asia 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.99
2 German_South 3.7
3 Hungarian 3.93
4 Belgian 4.72
5 Slovene 4.9
6 Bosnian 5.08
7 English 5.29
8 French 5.73
9 Scottish 6.29
10 Slovak 6.64
11 Orcadian 6.7
12 Moldavian 6.71
13 Serbian 6.99
14 Irish 7.06
15 Utahn_European 7.25
16 German_North 8.97
17 Montenegrin 9.75
18 Romanian 11.45
19 Ukrainian 11.49
20 Macedonian 11.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Scottish + 10.5% Egyptian_Copts @ 1.3
2 89.2% Scottish + 10.8% Egyptian @ 1.35
3 95.4% German_South + 4.6% Amhara @ 1.39
4 95.3% German_South + 4.7% Tigray @ 1.42
5 70.6% Utahn_European + 29.4% Kosovar @ 1.57
6 95.8% German_South + 4.2% Oromo @ 1.58
7 77.5% Utahn_European + 22.5% Greek_Central @ 1.58
8 95.9% German_South + 4.1% Somali @ 1.6
9 72.7% Utahn_European + 27.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.6
10 61.9% Utahn_European + 38.1% Macedonian @ 1.62
11 71.8% Utahn_European + 28.2% Albanian @ 1.64
12 88.6% Orcadian + 11.4% Egyptian @ 1.67
13 95.8% German_South + 4.2% Wolayta @ 1.69
14 81.1% Utahn_European + 18.9% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.73
15 87.8% Orcadian + 12.2% Jordanian @ 1.75
16 90% English + 10% Syrian @ 1.76
17 80.5% Utahn_European + 19.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.77
18 85.7% Utahn_European + 14.3% Cypriot @ 1.79
19 81.5% Irish + 18.5% Italian_Sicilian @ 1.8
20 91% English + 9% Egyptian @ 1.81

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.5% Irish + 23.5% Central_Greek @ 2.03
2 76.9% Irish + 23.1% East_Sicilian @ 2.03
3 75.9% North_Dutch + 24.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.08
4 82.9% Irish + 17.1% Cyprian @ 2.18
5 79.6% North_Dutch + 20.4% South_Italian @ 2.21
6 73.3% Irish + 26.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.24
7 84.4% Irish + 15.6% Samaritan @ 2.25
8 78.6% North_Dutch + 21.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.28
9 84.7% Irish + 15.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.37
10 78.2% North_Dutch + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 2.37
11 72.3% West_Scottish + 27.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.38
12 74.3% Irish + 25.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.39
13 77% North_Dutch + 23% West_Sicilian @ 2.39
14 94.7% South_Dutch + 5.3% Lezgin @ 2.41
15 94.6% South_Dutch + 5.4% Tabassaran @ 2.42
16 75.7% West_Scottish + 24.3% Central_Greek @ 2.43
17 78.2% Irish + 21.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.46
18 94.8% South_Dutch + 5.2% Chechen @ 2.46
19 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Georgian @ 2.5
20 95.2% South_Dutch + 4.8% Adygei @ 2.53

These are my gedmatch results so these dont add up at all with my current ancestry results like usually my med is around 30-32 which slight traces as you can see around 10% of the middle east. Which would you trust more ancestry or gedmatch?

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Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

I think you're overwhelmingly Northwestern European. So how did you became Muslim?

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Originally Posted by Alessio

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

I think you're overwhelmingly Northwestern European. So how did you became Muslim?

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I never denied being northern European it is no where near 70npercsnt and wurogenes it sent for me as accurate as puntfnal and ndlp for what I know about not ancestry

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Originally Posted by Alessio

Eurogenes K13
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.66
2 Baltic 21.73
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45
8 Siberian 0.18
9 Amerindian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.17
2 South_Dutch 3.5
3 French 7.35
4 North_German 8
5 Southeast_English 8.13
6 North_Dutch 9.34
7 Austrian 9.37
8 Southwest_English 9.39
9 Danish 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.62
11 Irish 10.16
12 West_Scottish 10.68
13 East_German 11.32
14 Norwegian 11.68
15 Swedish 12.44
16 Hungarian 13.63
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.28
18 Spanish_Galicia 16.17
19 Portuguese 16.21
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.32

I think you're overwhelmingly Northwestern European. So how did you became Muslim?

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I never denied being northern European it is no where near 70npercsnt and wurogenes it sent for me as accurate as puntfnal and ndlp for what I know about not ancestry

Perhaps this links can help you:

http://whoareyoumadeof.com/blog/2018...y-on-ancestry/

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Originally Posted by Alessio

Perhaps this links can help you:

http://whoareyoumadeof.com/blog/2018...y-on-ancestry/

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This was helpful thank you so much

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Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

I wouldnt worry too much about it. Ancestry is only more meaningful for african ancestry. And geneology as well as dna relatives

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lool, ancestry is meaningful for probably nothing in that case. it overestimated my african by 2-3%, and highly overestimated my european percentages. i only got 3-6% middle eastern and 2-4% central asian (afghan) probably. and i also still have the old update, they really need to step up their game xd

Also, i think Ancestry DNA is also fairly bad with smaller amounts of anything basically. According to your gedmatch Eurogenes K13 test, roughly 8% west asian + 7% east med + 3% arabian etc that is definitely more than just 2% middle eastern. It gave me 3-6% middle eastern and 2-4% central asian, and gave me flat 60% british even though my dad's family is mixed Scottish, Irish, British, mainly German, minor french, and probably also MENA. and i only got 1% europe west, 1-9% or so. Weird as hell.

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Originally Posted by YemeniAntillean

Also, i think Ancestry DNA is also fairly bad with smaller amounts of anything basically. According to your gedmatch Eurogenes K13 test, roughly 8% west asian + 7% east med + 3% arabian etc that is definitely more than just 2% middle eastern. It gave me 3-6% middle eastern and 2-4% central asian, and gave me flat 60% british even though my dad's family is mixed Scottish, Irish, British, mainly German, minor french, and probably also MENA. and i only got 1% europe west, 1-9% or so. Weird as hell.

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So you think I do have some middle eastern ancestry? So I can claim being arab now? Who do you think has the most accurate test

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Originally Posted by torgun0010

So you think I do have some middle eastern ancestry? So I can claim being arab now? Who do you think has the most accurate test

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4 West_Asian 8.65
5 East_Med 7.87
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Northeast_African 0.45

^ this is very close to 20% Middle eastern, you are more East_Med/Levantine, and west asian than arab though. On that test you also scored higher overal MENA components than i did, but thats also because 4-5% north african is sucked into my SSA component, my middle eastern is around 21-33%. And i am either purely Arab from my MENA side, Mixed Arab/Afghan, or Mixed Arab, with Iranic and NA. My MENA is overal also mixed i think so yeah.

these are my test results
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Africa9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.20
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18


Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
9 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews @ 27.378761
2 North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 31.523413
3 Tuscan @ 32.231964
4 North_Italian @ 34.155674
5 Druze @ 39.301552
6 Egypt @ 39.909996
7 Jordanians @ 40.360577
8 Egyptans @ 42.036186
9 Yemenese @ 44.171303
10 Libya @ 46.390274
11 North_African_Dodecad @ 47.745167
12 Algeria @ 53.506958
13 Bedouin @ 57.382694
14 Morocco_N @ 59.759953
15 French_Basque @ 60.481731
16 Yemen_Jews @ 62.802704
17 Moroccans @ 63.570690
18 Morocco_S @ 63.636944
19 Luhya @ 64.830467
20 Bantu_N.E. @ 65.287796

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Fulani +50% Tuscan @ 19.305805


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% North_Italian +25% Yoruba @ 5.560930


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brong + French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.292991
2 French_Basque + Mandenka + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.523308
3 French_Basque + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.658659
4 Brong + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.698521
5 French_Basque + Igbo + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.975921
6 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.985883
7 French_Basque + Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.000863
8 Brong + French_Basque + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews @ 3.191340
9 French_Basque + Igbo + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.200177
10 Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.284655

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gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412
6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
9 Croatian @ 28.133266
10 Romanian @ 28.206146
11 Russian @ 28.245659
12 Spanish @ 28.378586
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
14 Czech @ 28.744583
15 Scottish @ 28.818592
16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
17 English @ 28.919888
18 French @ 28.978497
19 Finnish @ 29.012388
20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160
15 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese @ 0.680161
16 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese + WHG @ 0.680161
17 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian @ 0.743273
18 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.743273
19 Kumyk + Libyan + Masai + SHG @ 0.778317
20 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Kurd_C + Palestinian @ 0.802877

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Gedrosia K12 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 27.71
2 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 24.79
3 SUB_SAHARAN 23.56
4 CAUCASUS 8.63
5 SW_ASIAN 5.09
6 BALOCHI 3.96
7 E_AFRICAN 2.23
8 S_INDIAN 1.81
9 E_SIBERIAN 1.09


Finished reading population data. 87 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 34.219196
2 Norwegian @ 36.381535
3 Sicilian @ 37.193859
4 Turks_Istanbul @ 40.075687
5 Russian @ 41.206917
6 Turkmen_Afghan @ 41.296894
7 Uzbek @ 41.709469
8 Turks_Aydin @ 41.990959
9 Turks_Balikesir @ 43.604202
10 Tajik_Pomiri @ 44.808521
11 Kurds_C @ 45.098789
12 Finnish @ 45.211155
13 Kurds_N @ 45.991249
14 Tajik_Afghan @ 46.464764
15 Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 46.733707
16 Uzbek_Afghan @ 46.897259
17 Turks_Adana @ 47.049088
18 Kurds_F @ 47.279957
19 Estonian @ 48.021648
20 Kurds_E @ 48.111187

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finnish +50% Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 27.064121


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Turks_Istanbul +25% Yoruba @ 5.212138


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 BA_Sintashta + Kurds_F + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.167013
2 Corded_Ware_LN + Kurds_F + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.167013
3 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Kurds_F + Sardinian @ 4.181566
4 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Kurds_F + Sardinian @ 4.181566
5 BA_Sintashta + Kurds_C + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.418146
6 Corded_Ware_LN + Kurds_C + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.418146
7 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Kurds_C + Sardinian @ 4.431383
8 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Kurds_C + Sardinian @ 4.431383
9 BA_Sintashta + Iranian + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.469152
10 Corded_Ware_LN + Iranian + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.469152
11 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Iranian + Sardinian @ 4.483259
12 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Iranian + Sardinian @ 4.483259
13 BA_Sintashta + Kurds_N + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.641801
14 Corded_Ware_LN + Kurds_N + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.641801
15 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Kurds_N + Sardinian @ 4.655050
16 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Kurds_N + Sardinian @ 4.655050
17 BA_Sintashta + Kurds_E + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.735190
18 Corded_Ware_LN + Kurds_E + Sardinian + Yoruba @ 4.735190
19 BA_Sintashta + Esan + Kurds_E + Sardinian @ 4.747951
20 Corded_Ware_LN + Esan + Kurds_E + Sardinian @ 4.747951

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Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 70.71
2 SSA 24.63
3 E_Eurasian 4.66


Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 6.961379
2 BedouinA @ 16.483727
3 Jordanian @ 21.202770
4 Palestinian @ 22.186718
5 Syrian @ 22.687027
6 Makrani @ 23.260059
7 Yemenite_Jew @ 23.740688
8 Saudi @ 24.097925
9 Lebanese @ 24.929094
10 Brahui @ 26.553122
11 Balochi @ 26.774252
12 Iranian @ 27.331972
13 Kurd_C @ 28.814047
14 Turkish @ 28.826607
15 Tajik_Pomiri @ 30.079639
16 Kurd_SE @ 30.190075
17 Balkar @ 30.339142
18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.998453
19 Iraqi_Jew @ 31.145370
20 Kurd_N @ 31.159136

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