They look Siberian influenced. Is this true?
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They look Siberian influenced. Is this true?
Post some examples.
Idk probably just pseudo
The N halpogroup predominant among many Siberians is quite common in Lithuania, comparable in frequency to R1a. This however does not mean Baltics and Siberids are close autosomally or phenotypically.
The Siberid type does not extend to the Baltic coast. Lappoid influence occurs but this is mostly sporadic today and when it does occur is not typically particularity significant.
Only a minority of Lithuanians could be said to be any more of a mongoloid influence on their phenotype than you would expect for East-Baltids which is not completely negliable but still relatively small compared to people closer to the Urals.
Full Epicanthal folds are not common among Baltics. When folds occur they are typically of the medial variety.
I suspect that you may be exaggerating the Mongoloid influence among Lithuanians and other Baltics.
Zero, actually.
http://i42.tinypic.com/1076gkx.jpg
Yet N1c is quite frequent in the East Baltic with a area of relative concentration in central Lithuania and in Kaliningrad.
Regarding Phenotype, The East-Baltid type was formed by the admixture of Baltics with Lappoids.
There is a distant connection it is just that the more recent Eastern European admixture is now dominant in Lithuanian autosmal genetics.
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Don’t think so. Maybe in a minority of people.
I personally never saw (even on Internet) the mongoloid features among Lithuanians.
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It is only an exceptional minority of Lithuanians or Eastern Baltics that are more mongoloid that this East-Baltid type man.
He's not Lithuanian, rather He's one of Hans F.K. Günther's East-Baltid series from The Racial Elements of European History who was from Sweden although no specific province or location was given. I used him as an example of the East-Baltid Race (Baltid + Lappoid).
The East-baltid type is important in the Baltic states so I want to show what mongoloid influence it can present.
By the way, the man has medial folds not epicathal folds. In addition he has clear Baltic features. He may have minimal mongoloid influence, but is East-Baltid, not Mongoloid.
Here are two East-Baltid examples from the Baltic Sates:
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uralic people fucked baltic people and became a new subrace east baltid, lithuanians belong to them
It is of unknown origin, but the first example is Latvian
Honestly I just chose another random East-Baltid for the second photo because I prefer examples from Anthropologists.
I thought she could pass Latvian or Lithuanian better than the first Swedish example I gave.
Wishful thinking. Dodecad samples are just bad and tend to include Finnic admixture together with "Steppe".
https://www.eupedia.com/images/conte...-admixture.png
Main lineage of Lithuanians originated in Indochina, came to Europe from Siberia via the Seima-Turbino culture.
https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com...-3-figure4.jpg
East Baltid is not overly common in Lihuania, they look quite ''western'' to my perspective.
It is not reflected in their autosomal genetics, since Finnic admixture isn't exactly mongoloid. BTW, your haplogroup R ancestor comes from south east Asia too, so it was probably mongolo-negrito lineage.
East Baltic is the main Lithuanian type.
Maybe according to Dodecad (They have extremely bad samples, aaccording to which Saami are... mainly Indo-European...). . According to everyone using common sense it is.
There is zero proof for R* ever having been in Southeast Asia. Central Asian migration makes much more sense.
Haplogroup K2b is ancestor of R, and it seem to be australoid :D
Quote:
According to Karafet et al., the estimated dates for the branching of K, K2, K2b and P point to a "rapid diversification" within K2 "that likely occurred in Southeast Asia", with subsequent "westward expansions" of P*, P1, Q and R
Quote:
The only living males reported as carrying the basal paragroup K2* (K-M526) are indigenous Australian males. Up to 27% of them may carry K2* and approximately 29% of Aboriginal Australian males belong to subclades of K2b1.
funnily I've noticed the opposite: how Lithuanians and Latvians are not Siberian-influenced at all, compared to their immediate neighbours, the Russians. you probably misjudged their looks, maybe because you are not European and take as Mongoloid what is actually Baltid or such. they are not heavy not even on East Baltid... Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians look like a mix of Slavic and Germanic, which they in a way are (without being), I mean they stem from the Proto-Indo-Europeans and Germans and Slavs both descended from the same population, some went to the northwest (these ones mixed with Northern European CroMagnons), some to the east (these ones mixed with Uralics and Siberids)
Lithuanians don't have any significant East Eurasian admixture, but they have one of the highest levels of ANE in Europe, and it was recently shown in the Dzudzuana paper that ANE is a composite of Crown Eurasian and some kind of archaic East Asian populations related to Tianyuan. More ANE == more Mongoloid.
Have been to Lithuania. Very, very few are as the OP describes. Baltid (both East Baltid and not east Baltid) and Gorid types were most common from what I remember, with significant minority of East Nordid, Corded, and small minority of Norid.
Sarunas Jasikevicius
https://e00-marca.uecdn.es/assets/mu...2179798015.jpg
I thought Eastern Baltic shore has the lowest, much lower than Scandinavia, I saw some incredibly low scores for Finns, but don't remember where.
in the meantime I checked GedMATCH:
Early European farmers scores on Gedrosia K12 (rounded):
Sicilians 38%
Greeks 37%
Norwegians 37%
me 30%
Lithuanians 29%
Estonians 29%
Russians 25%
xD he looks fully (Northern) European, he even resembles Hungary's PM
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this way would you also name my brother Mongoloid-influenced because of stronger cheekbones and almond eyes?
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Do they? What is your source?
Details to name a word is not important. He has mongoloid eyes and facial structure, that is what matters.
http://as01.epimg.net/baloncesto/ima...cia_normal.jpg
https://as01.epimg.net/baloncesto/im...cia_normal.jpg
http://visit.kaunas.lt/assets/Upload...s-74904420.jpg
Probably very slight mongoloid influence can be attributed to eyes area. And even it is controversial.
For example him. How common such eye folds in Western Europeans?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0GOOU3k1eT...78908245_o.jpg
Probably from Baltid phenotype.
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Well, when i look more carefully, he is an East Baltid. Perhaps a bit, mongoloid. Not significant, but has.
Anyways i bet he is N haplogroup, not R1a Balt for sure.