North American regional GEDmatch averages by Tomenable

I made Eurogenes K15 average of 53 Quebec kits (GEDCOMs with full ancestry from Quebec).

I did not filter out outliers, and not all of them are ethnically French. Simply, all European-descended inhabitants.

Here is the result, Quebec(n=53) in K15, perhaps I will add some more kits to this average:

https://i.imgur.com/utIixQE.png

For comparison, Canada Prince Edward Island (n=3 small sample size):

https://i.imgur.com/6tx1buJ.png

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USA, New York (n=69):

https://i.imgur.com/fC8C0Gf.png

I will continue this project showing also other regional averages.

Nova Scotia (n=21):

https://i.imgur.com/MxZv0kV.png

New Brunswick (n=19):

https://i.imgur.com/VoRs6i5.png

Newfoundland (n=25):

https://i.imgur.com/FwZ2NYb.png

Alabama (n=30):

https://i.imgur.com/d3Cscvc.png

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Pennsylvania (n=45):

https://i.imgur.com/RuEuu7d.png

USA, Maine (n=11):

https://i.imgur.com/DN7CabZ.png

USA, Kentucky (n=50):

https://i.imgur.com/vZ4RYO1.png

USA, Wisconsin (n=32):

https://i.imgur.com/4tpHPRn.png

CAN, Ontario (n=22):

https://i.imgur.com/OdvelMy.png

Feel free to send me more kits.

The main requirement is that all 4 grandparents were born in the same state/province.

USA, Ohio (n=41):

https://i.imgur.com/3hDs5lv.png

USA, Georgia (n=28):

https://i.imgur.com/UI7n7pj.png

Connecticut (n=10):

https://i.imgur.com/xSJ2tLZ.png

North Dakota (n=9), here rather the sample is too eastern-shifted:

https://i.imgur.com/n9PVkCy.png

Nebraska (n=11):

https://i.imgur.com/8W842k7.png

Massachusetts (n=24):

https://i.imgur.com/v22uT2R.png

Maryland (n=15):

https://i.imgur.com/T5VbzYM.png

Texas (n=29):

https://i.imgur.com/kzPuQpO.png

Michigan (n=30):

https://i.imgur.com/WxC2wGb.png

Washington (n=16):

https://i.imgur.com/S7G8HYK.png

Oklahoma (n=14):

https://i.imgur.com/bkTgg2b.png

Mississippi (n=12):

https://i.imgur.com/yU2uA8P.png

New Jersey

https://i.imgur.com/cFqYs83.jpg

Rhode Island (n=4):

https://i.imgur.com/gaB1wpb.png

Tennessee (n=31):

https://i.imgur.com/GkJKuKY.png

Indiana (n=18):

https://i.imgur.com/osjIM8F.png

Louisiana (n=28):

https://i.imgur.com/c0t4jIx.png

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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

New Jersey

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New Jersey (n=9 small sample size):

https://i.imgur.com/8A3mAPo.png

Virginia (n=32):

https://i.imgur.com/CjjvdW1.png

Wyoming (n=6):

https://i.imgur.com/D03xb0b.png

Canada Manitoba (n=5):

https://i.imgur.com/3JlaKOl.png

South Carolina (n=25):

https://i.imgur.com/YwHSubk.png

Arkansas (n=8):

https://i.imgur.com/23Y5R23.png

Canada, Alberta (n=8):

https://i.imgur.com/W0mpDGK.png

British Columbia (n=8):

https://i.imgur.com/vk4W1mp.png

Illinois (n=37):

https://i.imgur.com/FFrbua0.png

North Carolina (n=44):

https://i.imgur.com/kWN4VgJ.png

Missouri (n=21):

https://i.imgur.com/GCZWHA3.png

Montana (n=4):

https://i.imgur.com/CKbpsdU.png

Utah (n=30):

https://i.imgur.com/YfSYkgq.png

Outside New Jersey, they are all so northern.

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

Outside New Jersey, they are all so northern.

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Well Quebec is closer to Italy Aosta, South France and Austria Tyrol than to English average, I wouldn't call that "so northern".

There is a myth that French-Canadians are Northern French but it is wrong, they are closer to Central France as you can see.

In case of New Jersey there is a problem with too small and rather unrepresentative sample.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Well Quebec is closer to Italy Aosta, South France and Austria Tyrol than to English average, I wouldn't call that "so northern".

There is a myth that French-Canadians are Northern French but it is wrong, they are closer to Central France as you can see.

In case of New Jersey there is a problem with too small and rather unrepresentative sample.

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And Northern French are more closer to Central France that to English.

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Originally Posted by dududud

And Northern French are more closer to Central France that to English.

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Depends from which region. Bretons are closer to British people than to Central France.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Well Quebec is closer to Italy Aosta, South France and Austria Tyrol than to English average, I wouldn't call that "so northern".

There is a myth that French-Canadians are Northern French but it is wrong, they are closer to Central France as you can see.

In case of New Jersey there is a problem with too small and rather unrepresentative sample.

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From a Wikipedia article about French emigrants to New France:

• Paris - Almost 50%
• Normandy - 16%
• Western France - 13%

That makes about close to 80%. So the remaining 20%+ were from all other parts of France combined.

By the way, the stat above is for the filles du roi, which refers to 800 French women that were sent to New France to increase the population of Frenchmen there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Daughters

According to this article, around 2/3 of Quebeckers today are descended from them: https://www.cbc.ca/2017/canadathesto...omen-1.4029699

So far all of the states with high % of English ancestry are scoring very close to English K15 average:

(Kentucky, Maine, North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...and_Canada.png

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Originally Posted by Mingle

From a Wikipedia article about French emigrants to New France:

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This is the breakdown of immigrants to New France until year 1700 according to Father A. Godbout:

https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/cgq...2/021058ar.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/gQQ8CQF.png

Most of those who came from what is now Nouvelle-Aquitaine, came from former Poitou-Charentes:

https://i.imgur.com/zOarhXq.png

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Depends from which region. Bretons are closer to British people than to Central France.

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On G25 all French people north of Auvergne are closer to Brits than to Aostans and Bretons are closer to Englishmen than Central French and the Seine_Maritime and the Pas-de-Calais sample are 50/50, to me they are relatively northern in any case(a rough definition of northern to me would be >55-60% Steppe+WHG) although it's obviously arbitrary.

Is there any chance to get more G25 samples out of all those k15 samples you post?

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Originally Posted by Mingle

From a Wikipedia article about French emigrants to New France:

• Paris - Almost 50%
• Normandy - 16%
• Western France - 13%

That makes about close to 80%. So the remaining 20%+ were from all other parts of France combined.

By the way, the stat above is for the filles du roi, which refers to 800 French women that were sent to New France to increase the population of Frenchmen there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Daughters

According to this article, around 2/3 of Quebeckers today are descended from them: https://www.cbc.ca/2017/canadathesto...omen-1.4029699

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This is most likely incredibly exaggerate, but if it's true and if genetic IQ is relevant then Quebec should be one of the worst dysgenic mess given the poor origins of the founding female population...

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Originally Posted by Peterski

So far all of the states with high % of English ancestry are scoring very close to English K15 average:

(Kentucky, Maine, North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee)

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From the blue region most should have come from the northern part, this explains the apparenl lack of southern influence which should have been strong otherwise.

https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/cgq...2/021058ar.pdf

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

This is most likely incredibly exaggerate, but if it's true and if genetic IQ is relevant then Quebec should be one of the worst dysgenic mess given the poor origins of the founding female population...

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They must've all moved to New England, because French Canadians in the USA are one of the worst performing ethnic groups, both when studies were carried out in the early 1900s and today. They mostly came as factory workers to Maine, Massachusetts, etc. They only surpass Portuguese(Madeirans overrespented in Portuguese Americans) I believe, even Italians outperform them. While, French Canadians are among the best performing Canadians.

@Peterski, how come you think North Dakota is too eastern shifted? The Scandinavian/German parts of the US are also going to be the most Polish/Czechoslovakian(also more East Germans among the Germans, while the east coast/south of the US had more southern Germans/Swabians/etc.. Would be cool to see samples from NYC, more from PEI, southern New Jersey, California, Appalachia(so eastern Kentucky, western W. Virginia, curious if more English or Scotland/Ireland), urban/big city vs small city/rural results.

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

From the blue region most should have come from the northern part

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Most from the blue region came from around La Rochelle, and this area is pretty southern autosomally (far away from Bretons).

Dududud posted a Limousin kit recently, also far away from Bretons (despite being in the northeastern part of the blue region):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousin

https://www.cartes-2-france.com/C2F/...ret-1000px.jpg

^^^ From this area:

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 31.27
2 North_Sea 23.73
3 West_Med 18.05
4 Baltic 8.73
5 Eastern_Euro 6.83
6 East_Med 6.03
7 West_Asian 2.79
8 Red_Sea 1.72
9 Northeast_African 0.47
10 Sub-Saharan 0.31
11 Oceanian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 5.39
2 French 6.7
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.73
4 Spanish_Cantabria 7.22
5 Southwest_French 7.4
6 Portuguese 7.92
7 Spanish_Galicia 8.16
8 Spanish_Murcia 8.21
9 Spanish_Extremadura 8.48
10 Spanish_Valencia 8.48
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.69
12 Spanish_Aragon 9.2
13 South_Dutch 9.42
14 Spanish_Andalucia 10.47
15 Southwest_English 12.44
16 North_Italian 13.31
17 Southeast_English 13.67
18 West_German 13.74
19 North_German 15.14
20 East_German 15.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.1% Southwest_French + 43.9% South_Dutch @ 1.25
2 68.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.9% North_German @ 1.44
3 70.7% Spanish_Aragon + 29.3% North_Swedish @ 1.63
4 69.7% Southwest_French + 30.3% Danish @ 1.65
5 50.6% Spanish_Aragon + 49.4% South_Dutch @ 1.66
6 69.7% Spanish_Aragon + 30.3% Swedish @ 1.78
7 70.1% Southwest_French + 29.9% North_Dutch @ 1.79
8 57% Spanish_Cantabria + 43% South_Dutch @ 1.83
9 67.7% Southwest_French + 32.3% North_German @ 1.86
10 65.4% Southwest_French + 34.6% Southeast_English @ 1.86
11 70.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 29.5% Danish @ 1.92
12 62.5% Spanish_Aragon + 37.5% North_German @ 1.96
13 68.8% Spanish_Aragon + 31.2% Norwegian @ 1.99
14 65.6% Southwest_French + 34.4% West_German @ 2.02
15 63.3% Southwest_French + 36.7% Southwest_English @ 2.03
16 74.8% Southwest_French + 25.2% West_Norwegian @ 2.08
17 73.6% Southwest_French + 26.4% Norwegian @ 2.1
18 69.4% Southwest_French + 30.6% West_Scottish @ 2.14
19 71.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 28.9% Swedish @ 2.17
20 74.5% Southwest_French + 25.5% Swedish @ 2.2

Eurogenes K13:

1 North_Atlantic 41.72
2 West_Med 23.1
3 Baltic 18.97
4 East_Med 8.19
5 West_Asian 4.61
6 Red_Sea 1.63
7 Northeast_African 0.78
8 South_Asian 0.44
9 Oceanian 0.38
10 Sub-Saharan 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 4.34
2 South_Dutch 7.91
3 Spanish_Cataluna 7.93
4 West_German 8.54
5 Spanish_Galicia 8.81
6 Southwest_French 8.85
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.12
8 Spanish_Cantabria 9.23
9 Portuguese 9.41
10 Spanish_Valencia 10.6
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.69
12 Spanish_Extremadura 10.96
13 Spanish_Murcia 10.98
14 Spanish_Aragon 12.23
15 Southeast_English 12.3
16 Spanish_Andalucia 12.35
17 Southwest_English 12.73
18 Austrian 13.18
19 Orcadian 14.48
20 East_German 14.72

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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

New Jersey

https://i.imgur.com/cFqYs83.jpg

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Really?

Alabama, South Carolina added (I edited posts on page 1).

Interesting, all of these southern states are very English.

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Georgia added. Also English 1st.

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Pennsylvania average added (n=45), see on page 1.

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Mennonites (n=31), from few different states/provinces:

https://i.imgur.com/Lp9Ii9x.png

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Alabama, South Carolina added (I edited posts on page 1).

Interesting, all of these southern states are very English.

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I guess, I dunno why everyone trust stuff like K15. For instance, I know I'm Scottish and K15 says I'm English. I'm So not English that I'm actually about 50% Goidelic genetically. Sorry, if I'm being contentious but these calculators do not necessarily match up with reality. I went around telling people I was English American based on stupid stuff like this and some dude was like "You're not English you are a Scottish" and "you are medeival Braveheart era Scottish" from another dude.

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Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian

They must've all moved to New England, because French Canadians in the USA are one of the worst performing ethnic groups, both when studies were carried out in the early 1900s and today. They mostly came as factory workers to Maine, Massachusetts, etc. They only surpass Portuguese(Madeirans overrespented in Portuguese Americans) I believe, even Italians outperform them. While, French Canadians are among the best performing Canadians.

@Peterski, how come you think North Dakota is too eastern shifted? The Scandinavian/German parts of the US are also going to be the most Polish/Czechoslovakian(also more East Germans among the Germans, while the east coast/south of the US had more southern Germans/Swabians/etc.. Would be cool to see samples from NYC, more from PEI, southern New Jersey, California, Appalachia(so eastern Kentucky, western W. Virginia, curious if more English or Scotland/Ireland), urban/big city vs small city/rural results.

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I heard a lot of German immigrants to USA were Prussians.

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

This is most likely incredibly exaggerate, but if it's true and if genetic IQ is relevant then Quebec should be one of the worst dysgenic mess given the poor origins of the founding female population...

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Reality:

https://i.imgur.com/cb9iYyb.png

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Feel free to send me more kits.

The main requirement is that all 4 grandparents were born in the same state/province.

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So if great-grandparent is from other state or outside US you still want such kit?

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Alabama, South Carolina added (I edited posts on page 1).

Interesting, all of these southern states are very English.

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The Mennonites originally came from the Frisian areas of the Netherlands, so hardly surprising. I grew up in an area with a sizable number of them.

Most of the 1860’s and onwards immigration from the German speaking lands to the upper Midwest came from Northern Germany and Prussia. A lot of Pomeranians and Mecklenburgers in Wisconsin. Michigan as well. My
neighbor growing up was from Konigsberg, which was a little further east


Georgia added. Also English 1st.

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Pennsylvania average added (n=45), see on page 1.

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Mennonites (n=31), from few different states/provinces:

https://i.imgur.com/Lp9Ii9x.png

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Have you added the US regional kits I sent? (all follow the 4 grandparents rule)

Should post the averages once you have 25+ or so.

Thus is fascinating, could never have imagined such differences between states/provinces, Utah and Wyoming suprised me, and certainly New Jersey

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Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

New Jersey

https://i.imgur.com/cFqYs83.jpg

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LOL

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Rhode Island (n=4):

https://i.imgur.com/gaB1wpb.png

Tennessee (n=31):

https://i.imgur.com/GkJKuKY.png

Indiana (n=18):

https://i.imgur.com/osjIM8F.png

Louisiana (n=28):

https://i.imgur.com/c0t4jIx.png



New Jersey (n=9 small sample size):

https://i.imgur.com/8A3mAPo.png

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OMG I am pretty much just like New Jersey! LOL

"I did not filter out outliers, and not all of them are ethnically French. Simply, all European-descended inhabitants."

So, they are not québécois...

Québécois = purely french

Diverse

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Originally Posted by Peterski

https://i.imgur.com/gaB1wpb.png
https://i.imgur.com/osjIM8F.pngLouisiana (n=28):

https://i.imgur.com/c0t4jIx.png
https://i.imgur.com/8A3mAPo.png

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Is this Acadiana only?

Bump! Maybe I will finish calculating these averages for the remaining states.

In K15?

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Originally Posted by Lucas

In K15?

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Yes, they are in K15. Maybe I will check them again in another calculator, if I have time.

You are interested how they score in K36, right?

Going by K15, I am closest to Nebraska, followed by Mennonites. One set of great grandparents grew up there.


Does Washington stand for Washington state? Or is it Washington DC?

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Originally Posted by Davystayn

Thus is fascinating, could never have imagined such differences between states/provinces, Utah and Wyoming suprised me, and certainly New Jersey

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The US is recently settled. There hasn’t been enough time for blending such a large land mass together.

How come Wyoming and Utah surprised you? Utah is Mormon and Wyoming is sparsely populated.

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Originally Posted by Baleyg

Does Washington stand for Washington state? Or is it Washington DC?

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Washington State.