Altaic admixture

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08-10-2020, 06:22 AM
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Andre's K13 Vahaduo calculator to gauge Slavic/Balkanic/Germanic/Altaic admixture

The source populations:

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North_PaleoBalk,26.31,11.19,23.14,10.18,24.32,3.81 ,0.08,0.35,0.07,0.27,0.14,0.14,0
Germanic,43.14,22.44,14.78,6.85,8.54,0.86,0.94,0.1 3,0.40,0.60,0.64,0.47,0.22
Slavic,30.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00, 1.56,0.89,0.00,0.42,0.00
Altaic,4.25,9.58,0.55,8.32,0.14,0.23,2.94,21.39,48 .62,3.21,0.51,0.01,0.25
South_PaleoBalk,20.82,8.67,21.33,13.7,29.21,4.61,0 .18,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.33,0.33,0.04

It's best suited to people from Eastern half of Europe, but it may still work decently for central euros too. I'm guessing an englishman will get modeled as 100% german. Idk about Iberians/Italians. I am aware the calculator isn't perfect as it lacks baltic and keltic samples. Let's see.
08-10-2020, 06:24 AM
Scandal

Mine:

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Target: Universe(hungarian)
Distance: 5.8904% / 5.89043507
76.0 Slavic
24.0 South_PaleoBalk
08-10-2020, 06:26 AM
Scandal

Serb avarage from Serbia:

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Target: Serb
Distance: 1.9081% / 1.90811376
51.8 Slavic
48.2 South_PaleoBalk

Serbia avarage from B&H

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Target: Serb_B&H
Distance: 1.4815% / 1.48153029
55.2 Slavic
37.0 South_PaleoBalk
7.8 North_PaleoBalk
08-10-2020, 06:27 AM
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Target: Czech
Distance: 1.1320% / 1.13200382
62.6 Slavic
29.4 Germanic
8.0 South_PaleoBalk
08-10-2020, 06:32 AM
Scandal

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Target: Ukrainian
Distance: 2.1310% / 2.13097876
88.6 Slavic
10.2 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic

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Target: Romania_Transylvania
Distance: 2.1018% / 2.10177554
55.4 South_PaleoBalk
43.8 Slavic
0.8 Altaic

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Target: Romanian_Wallachia
Distance: 2.5493% / 2.54928326
59.2 South_PaleoBalk
39.8 Slavic
1.0 Altaic

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Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 1.7813% / 1.78131691
52.6 South_PaleoBalk
42.6 Slavic
4.8 North_PaleoBalk

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Target: Central_Greek
Distance: 4.6357% / 4.63571698
99.0 South_PaleoBalk
1.0 Altaic

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Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 3.5732% / 3.57322175
63.6 South_PaleoBalk
36.2 Slavic
0.2 Altaic

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Target: Hungarian
Distance: 0.7679% / 0.76787184
54.0 Slavic
22.6 South_PaleoBalk
20.2 Germanic
2.6 North_PaleoBalk
0.6 Altaic
08-10-2020, 06:51 AM
Scandal

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Target: Kosovo_Albanian
Distance: 2.8323% / 2.83233565
72.4 South_PaleoBalk
23.0 Slavic
4.6 North_PaleoBalk

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Target: Albanian
Distance: 3.3420% / 3.34199007
77.4 South_PaleoBalk
20.8 Slavic
1.8 North_PaleoBalk
08-10-2020, 07:16 AM
Scandal

Answer to rep comment:

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What's the difference between the north and south paleobalkanic samples?

I don't know, you should ask Andre(Romanian member). You should try running the calculator with only one of them and both, the results won't be much different though. I'm guessing the difference between the two is one is native to north balkans the other is native to southern part of the pensinsula.
08-10-2020, 07:18 AM
Scandal

I'm a reverse Kosovo-albanian:

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Target: Universe(hungarian)
Distance: 5.8904% / 5.89043507
76.0 Slavic
24.0 South_PaleoBalk

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Target: Kosovo_Albanian
Distance: 2.8323% / 2.83233565
72.4 South_PaleoBalk
23.0 Slavic
4.6 North_PaleoBalk
08-10-2020, 07:28 AM
Chris596

I wanted to try it but it gives me an error:

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WARNING! Number of white-space characters removed in SOURCE data: 5. ERROR! Column number mismatch.
08-10-2020, 07:29 AM
Scandal

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Target: Oszkar(Hungarian-Brit)
Distance: 2.9753% / 2.97526323
59.8 Germanic
36.2 Slavic
3.2 South_PaleoBalk
0.6 North_PaleoBalk
0.2 Altaic
08-10-2020, 07:35 AM
Scandal

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Originally Posted by Chris596

I wanted to try it but it gives me an error:

It works for me.
08-10-2020, 07:37 AM
dimadoe

I'm getting somewhat high distances. My dad is Russian and I'm 1/8 Jewish

Target: dad
Distance: 6.2131% / 6.21305704
95.8 Slavic
4.2 Altaic

Target: me
Distance: 9.8843% / 9.88431654
82.2 Slavic
12.8 South_PaleoBalk
5.0 Altaic
08-10-2020, 07:39 AM
Scandal

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Originally Posted by dimadoe

I'm getting somewhat high distances. My dad is Russian and I'm 1/8 Jewish

Target: dad
Distance: 6.2131% / 6.21305704
95.8 Slavic
4.2 Altaic

Target: me
Distance: 9.8843% / 9.88431654
82.2 Slavic
12.8 South_PaleoBalk
5.0 Altaic

Russians have baltic admixture besides slavic and there's no baltic sample in the source population, that may be the reason you get big distance.
08-10-2020, 07:42 AM
Chris596

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Originally Posted by Universe

It works for me.

Can you give me a link to the original source? Still not working, no matter how I enter the data.
08-10-2020, 07:44 AM
Scandal

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Originally Posted by Chris596

Can you give me a link to the original source? Still not working, no matter how I enter the data.

There's your result:

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Target: Chris(hungarian)
Distance: 3.4375% / 3.43749771
53.4 Slavic
45.4 South_PaleoBalk
1.2 Altaic
08-10-2020, 07:45 AM
Scandal

More or less in line with his 23andme result:

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Target: Teutone(german)
Distance: 6.3294% / 6.32939415
82.2 Germanic
17.8 Slavic
08-10-2020, 07:48 AM
Scandal

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Target: JosephK(usamutt)
Distance: 5.0240% / 5.02402646
47.0 Germanic
42.0 Slavic
10.0 South_PaleoBalk
1.0 Altaic

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Target: Dunai(hungarian)
Distance: 1.3011% / 1.30112658
46.0 Germanic
38.2 Slavic
12.0 South_PaleoBalk
3.8 Altaic

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Target: Blanka(hungarian)
Distance: 5.3845% / 5.38449759
55.4 Slavic
24.8 North_PaleoBalk
19.8 Germanic
08-10-2020, 08:03 AM
Kyp

My mother:
Target: MotherKyp(SouthGerman)
Distance: 3.1678% / 3.16779749
82.4 Germanic
17.6 Slavic

Myself (with Azeri added)
Target: Kyp(Azeri+German)
Distance: 2.9194% / 2.91935299
43.4 Azeri
36.0 Germanic
13.4 Slavic
7.2 South_PaleoBalk
08-10-2020, 09:09 AM
paradox

Target: K13
Distance: 8.5044% / 8.50439981
76.6 South_PaleoBalk
21.8 Slavic
1.6 Altaic
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My father

Target: Fatherk13
Distance: 1.7021% / 1.70211377
57.8 South_PaleoBalk
35.6 Slavic
6.4 Germanic
0.2 Altaic
08-10-2020, 09:23 AM
17571imre

mother:
Target: cb23andme
Distance: 3.5715% / 3.57147361
44.8 Slavic
34.4 North_PaleoBalk
17.4 Germanic
3.4 Altaic

mine:
Target: mh
Distance: 1.5787% / 1.57872288
36.2 North_PaleoBalk
35.0 Slavic
22.6 Germanic
5.8 South_PaleoBalk
0.4 Altaic

i like these results i think there should be more k13 calcuators made
08-10-2020, 09:36 AM
Jana

My fit is very poor.

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 4.6397% / 4.63968295

54.6 Slavic
27.2 South_PaleoBalk
17.8 Germanic
0.4 Altaic
08-10-2020, 09:38 AM
Jana

North Paleo Balkanic can be decent proxy for some Celtic influence too. Blanka is mainly Slavic + Celtic so it's not suprising to see her scoring high northern Paleo Balkan :)
But her fit is even worse than mine.
08-10-2020, 09:39 AM
Jana

Target: Stears
Distance: 4.3297% / 4.32965430

54.4 Slavic
29.2 South_PaleoBalk
13.0 Germanic
3.4 Altaic

Target: Hrvoje
Distance: 4.5245% / 4.52450625

51.6 Slavic
24.6 South_PaleoBalk
23.8 Germanic
08-10-2020, 09:46 AM
Scandal

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

North Paleo Balkanic can be decent proxy for some Celtic influence too. Blanka is mainly Slavic + Celtic so it's not suprising to see her scoring high northern Paleo Balkan :)
But her fit is even worse than mine.

What is Blanka's ancestry?
08-10-2020, 09:49 AM
Jana

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Originally Posted by Universe

What is Blanka's ancestry?

Her father roots are from NE Hungary (borsod-zemplen), her mother roots are from central Slovakia (she is ethnic Hungarian though, but with recent Polish, Slovak and not so recent German admixture)
08-10-2020, 09:49 AM
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Target: Hungarian_Szekely
Distance: 0.8267% / 0.82669392
44.0 Slavic
30.4 South_PaleoBalk
16.8 Germanic
5.4 North_PaleoBalk
3.4 Altaic

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Target: Hungarian_Alfold
Distance: 0.8434% / 0.84344398
59.0 Slavic
19.0 South_PaleoBalk
10.6 North_PaleoBalk
10.6 Germanic
0.8 Altaic

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Target: Hungarian_Northern
Distance: 1.6374% / 1.63738564
62.2 Slavic
19.8 Germanic
17.8 South_PaleoBalk
0.2 Altaic

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Target: Hungarian_Csango
Distance: 1.5055% / 1.50549406
51.4 Slavic
38.2 South_PaleoBalk
4.4 Germanic
3.2 North_PaleoBalk
2.8 Altaic

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Target: Hungarian_Transylvania
Distance: 1.1820% / 1.18202569
48.2 Slavic
20.4 South_PaleoBalk
17.6 North_PaleoBalk
10.8 Germanic
3.0 Altaic

Székelys are more German admixed than Alföld people from Hungary, that may be a surprise to some people.
08-10-2020, 09:49 AM
Jana

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Originally Posted by Universe

What is Blanka's ancestry?

Her father roots are from NE Hungary (borsod-zemplen), her mother roots are from central Slovakia (she is ethnic Hungarian though, but with recent Polish, Slovak and not so recent German admixture)
08-10-2020, 09:56 AM
Jana

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Originally Posted by Universe

Székelys are more German admixed than Alföld people from Hungary, that may be a surprise to some people.

Yes. Szekelys are more Balkan and more German at the same time than Alfoldis on average. Makes sense historically.
I1 is very high among Szekelys and higher than in Hungary.
08-10-2020, 09:58 AM
oszkar07

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Target: Dunai(hungarian)
Distance: 1.3011% / 1.30112658
46.0 Germanic
38.2 Slavic
12.0 South_PaleoBalk
3.8 Altaic

Dunai seems somewhat Germanic .
08-10-2020, 10:01 AM
Scandal

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Originally Posted by oszkar07

Dunai seems somewhat Germanic .

He got a lot of Northwestern European and "Broadly european"on 23andme too. I've seen his results on other calculators and he was quite germanic there too. According to his family tree he's 1/8 german, but his genetics shows much more than that.
08-10-2020, 10:04 AM
Scandal

Btw "Egyvalaki" is close to being fully German genetically.

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Target: Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
Distance: 1.8798% / 1.87978433 | ADC: 0.25x
81.8 West_German
10.4 Pomak_Plovdiv
5.0 Bulgarian_Southwest
1.2 Yemenite_Jewish
1.0 Swiss_Italian
0.6 Austroasiatic_Ho

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Target: Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
Distance: 2.7271% / 2.72710192
79.0 Germanic
13.4 South_PaleoBalk
7.6 Slavic
08-10-2020, 10:09 AM
Kökény

Seems like I am more Germanic than the Hungarian average.

Target: Kökény
Distance: 1.6822% / 1.68224446

35.0 South_PaleoBalk
33.2 Germanic
26.8 Slavic
5.0 Altaic

Target: Kökény_mom
Distance: 1.3688% / 1.36883847

46.0 Slavic
35.4 South_PaleoBalk
12.2 Germanic
3.4 Altaic
3.0 North_PaleoBalk
08-10-2020, 10:09 AM
oszkar07

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Originally Posted by Universe

He got a lot of Northwestern European and "Broadly european"on 23andme too. I've seen his results on other calculators and he was quite germanic there too. According to his family tree he's 1/8 german, but his genetics shows much more than that.

On the K13 or K15 vahuedo I plot reasonably close to him and this would be why.
08-10-2020, 10:11 AM
oszkar07

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Originally Posted by Kökény

Seems like I am more Germanic than the Hungarian average.

Target: Kökény
Distance: 1.6822% / 1.68224446

35.0 South_PaleoBalk
33.2 Germanic
26.8 Slavic
5.0 Altaic

Target: Kökény_mom
Distance: 1.3688% / 1.36883847

46.0 Slavic
35.4 South_PaleoBalk
12.2 Germanic
3.4 Altaic
3.0 North_PaleoBalk

yeh , you come out quite Germanic on this.
08-10-2020, 10:12 AM
oszkar07

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Originally Posted by Universe

Btw "Egyvalaki" is close to being fully German genetically.

She is reasonably more Germanic than me and Im half British.
08-10-2020, 10:19 AM
Scandal

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

North Paleo Balkanic can be decent proxy for some Celtic influence too. Blanka is mainly Slavic + Celtic so it's not suprising to see her scoring high northern Paleo Balkan :)
But her fit is even worse than mine.

Comparing andre's source populations to vahaduo's avarages.

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Distance to: North_PaleoBalk
0.00000000 Romagna
2.14032708 Umbria
2.25803011 Tuscan
2.63397039 Marche
2.73492230 Lazio
3.75471703 Tuscany
5.18447683 Emilia
6.03433509 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.31550473 Liguria
6.70143268 FrenchCorsica
7.51459912 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
7.93969143 West_Sicilian
8.07416250 Greek_Central-Macedonia
8.23694118 Albanian_north_Albania
8.37072876 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.45666601 Albanian_Kosovo
8.50124697 Albanian_south_Albania
8.53116639 Albanian
8.60124991 Albanian_Albania
8.76609377 Abruzzo
8.98375688 Kosovo_Albanian
9.41109983 Lombardy
9.42436735 Albanian_Macedonia
9.42628771 Albanian_Montenegro
9.50008947 Greek_Thessaly

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Distance to: South_PaleoBalk
0.00000000 Abruzzo
1.05536723 Molise
1.71697408 Basilicata
2.27587346 Apulia
3.66831024 West_Sicilian
3.70626497 Campania
4.43565102 Sicily
4.68508271 Central_Greek
4.72707097 Greek_Andros_Island
4.90556826 East_Sicilian
6.11262628 Malta
6.64955638 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.69247338 Marche
7.11331147 Lazio
7.33674315 Calabria
7.92806408 Umbria
8.03615580 Greek_Peloponnese
8.20294307 GR_Peloponese
8.76609377 Romagna
9.05858157 Greek_Thessaly
9.26855976 Ashkenazi
9.45552220 Turk_Crete
9.66747123 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
9.67690550 Tuscan
9.79618293 Albanian_south_Albania

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Distance to: Slavic
2.86347691 Polish
4.12521515 Russian_Smolensk
4.30333592 Estonian_Polish
4.64908593 Cossacks_Kuban
4.95816498 Belorussian
5.94645272 Ukrainian
6.81251055 Southwest_Russian
6.87373988 South_Polish
7.01882469 Estonian
7.50414552 Ukrainian_Lviv
7.64896071 Ukrainian_Belgorod
7.94032115 Lithuanian
7.96377423 Sorb_Lusatia
8.72928405 Kargopol_Russian
9.69560725 Finnish
10.67517213 East_Finnish
10.91821872 Southwest_Finnish
11.80478716 Czech
11.89926712 Slovak
12.62859058 Erzya
12.74627342 Latvian
13.02099003 RU_Pinega
13.10871084 German_east
13.42566199 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
13.84989322 Hungarian_Northern

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Target: Slavic
Distance: 1.6093% / 1.60927948 | ADC: 0.25x
65.8 Polish
17.2 Estonian
7.8 Latvian
4.6 Cossacks_Kuban
3.8 Ukrainian
0.8 Sardinian

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Distance to: Germanic
0.00000000 West_German
2.52818116 South_Dutch
4.53600044 Swiss_German
4.86184122 German_West
7.62973132 French
7.93392715 Swiss_French
8.61973317 Southeast_English
8.89932582 English
8.91300174 North_German
8.98638414 English_North
9.33778346 English_Midlands
9.58888940 Austrian
10.09884647 Danish
10.79350731 Orcadian
10.79690233 Southwest_English
11.45040174 Welsh
11.50009130 North-Dutch
11.50329953 AostaValley
11.60112495 East_German
11.93581585 Irish
12.10553592 Scottish
12.50003600 West_Scottish
13.19180048 Swedish
13.22317662 Norwegian
14.48534424 Hungarian_Transdanubia

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Distance to: Altaic
0.00000000 Altaian
8.99092320 Hakas
9.81540626 Tuvinian
11.20123208 Mongolian
12.56304103 Kirgiz
13.17560245 Shors
13.85485474 Kazakh
14.53076048 Buryat
18.26002191 Karakalpak
24.80510431 Ket
25.86450463 Oroqen
27.34153800 Koryak
28.26302178 Yakut
28.41265563 Selkup
29.69801677 Hazara
29.87515523 Chukchi
30.54731248 Dolgan
30.99042271 Uzbeki
31.60318338 Afghan_Turkmen
31.60651990 Uygur
33.77650219 Evenki
34.23788983 Aghan_Hazara
36.03287527 Evens
36.43252668 Turk_Dobruja-Tatar
37.11198459 Hezhen
08-10-2020, 10:20 AM
17571imre

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Originally Posted by Kökény

Seems like I am more Germanic than the Hungarian average.

Target: Kökény
Distance: 1.6822% / 1.68224446

35.0 South_PaleoBalk
33.2 Germanic
26.8 Slavic
5.0 Altaic

Target: Kökény_mom
Distance: 1.3688% / 1.36883847

46.0 Slavic
35.4 South_PaleoBalk
12.2 Germanic
3.4 Altaic
3.0 North_PaleoBalk

Kökény what do you get without South_PaleoBalk?
08-10-2020, 10:24 AM
Kökény

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Originally Posted by 17571imre

Kökény what do you get without South_PaleoBalk?

Target: Kökény
Distance: 2.9575% / 2.95753820

43.2 North_PaleoBalk
27.4 Slavic
23.6 Germanic
5.8 Altaic
08-10-2020, 10:25 AM
Scandal

^the distance is worse though.
08-10-2020, 10:28 AM
TheMaestro

18.12449172 North_PaleoBalk
22.62399611 South_PaleoBalk
22.83833838 Germanic
28.21072668 Slavic
63.09870522 Altaic

Target: Maestro
Distance: 4.4983% / 4.49828839
55.4 South_PaleoBalk
44.0 Slavic
0.6 Altaic

Pretty acc

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