I tried to choose exactly the same references, but unfortunately, i didn´t find any "Emilia-Romagna" reference for North_Paleo_Balkan, so I choose the next closer reference, also italian, that is Umbria.
I limited the number of individual samples from Germany to 10, because if not, Germany would be overrepresented in sources.I take 5 from the first samples, and 5 of the last ones.
I know they are not the same references, but I am curious to see if results are similar to those from K13.
References form modern averages pop (some ofrum member consider that 3 German individual samples are not enough Germanic so I add my German+Dutch reference to represent West_Germany reference in K13):
I am not from Balkans, so I guess my results don´t interest anyone, I am curious about see both results from actual people from Balkans, to see differences between K13 and G25.
08-10-2020, 12:58 PM
17571imre
too many samples for a Balkan calc also some samples are not that Germanic:
Andre used only 4 samples and clear samples.
Yo en Gedmatch Q t Machine no he obtenido resultados con Tarofalt así que a los resultados que nos dan en G25 le pueden dar por culo, no sé lo que habrán hecho con las coordenadas pero confío más en la comparación de Gedmatch y en mi intuición femenina al respecto de Tarofalt, Taforalt o como coño se llame.
:)
08-10-2020, 01:07 PM
gixajo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallop
FTDNA gave me 10% in that area
I got 3%, with the MyHeritage raw data, I don't think it indicates any clear ancestry from that area, but I can't deny it either. :dunno:
08-10-2020, 01:10 PM
Gallop
Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
I got 3%, with the MyHeritage raw data, I don't think it indicates any clear ancestry from that area, but I can't deny it either. :dunno:
Tendrás tropecientos mil Ilirios en MTA como todos nuestros paísanos, los scy197b, 300, 301 e.t.c de Moldava que eran tan particulares, Dalmacian, yo por lo menos he sacado un montonaco.
Yo en Gedmatch Q t Machine no he obtenido resultados con Tarofalt así que a los resultados que nos dan en G25 le pueden dar por culo, no sé lo que habrán hecho con las coordenadas pero confío más en la comparación de Gedmatch y en mi intuición femenina al respecto de Tarofalt Taforalt o como coño se llame.
:)
¿Qué quieres que te cuente que no sepamos ya todos? Nos han unido a esa referencia, no habrá modelo para Ibéricos en la que falte. Es lo que hay, a mí francamente me importa un bledo.:D
08-10-2020, 01:23 PM
gixajo
Quote:
Originally Posted by 17571imre
too many samples for a Balkan calc also some samples are not that Germanic:
Andre used only 4 samples and clear samples.
i think its a good idea from you to put German and Dutch as an average or maybe just the Dutch average could also work. yes but that is with 0 ADC use 0.5 ADC because there are so many samples in K13 source then you will get rid of all those little precentages.
08-10-2020, 01:38 PM
Defcon2
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Originally Posted by gixajo
As Spaniards we are basically half-moors, I add Mar_Taforalt references to obtain better distances:
The old North African trick, why don't you use guanche?
:rolleyes:
08-10-2020, 01:44 PM
gixajo
Quote:
Originally Posted by 17571imre
i think its a good idea from you to put German and Dutch as an average or maybe just the Dutch average could also work. yes but that is with 0 ADC use 0.5 ADC because there are so many samples in K13 source then you will get rid of all those little precentages.
I was having lunch, sorry.
I made the model in 5 minutes, so I didn´t check well all the sources, simply I posted them. I will post the new references.
It's funny that you think that's the only dubious reference, don´t you find dubious two modern Italian samples to represent ancient Balkans but you think that German reference is not enough Germanic?
The people here never cease to amaze me.
08-10-2020, 01:48 PM
mitalit
Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
As Spaniards we are basically half-moors, I add Mar_Taforalt references to obtain better distances:
I made the model in 5 minutes, so I didn´t check well all the sources, simply I posted them. I will post the new references.
It's funny that you think that's the only dubious reference, don´t you find dubious two modern Italian samples to represent ancient Balkans but you think that German reference is not enough Germanic?
The people here never cease to amaze me.
well on Gedmatch most SouthEastern European people get mixed population of Something Eastern European like Belarussian and someting Italian/Greek like Tuscany or Abruzzo or Greek. because before the migration of Slavic people the people who lived in Southeastern Europe were Italian/Greek like so i understand why modern Italian samples are used. somebody can correct me if im wrong.
08-10-2020, 01:54 PM
gixajo
Quote:
Originally Posted by 17571imre
i think its a good idea from you to put German and Dutch as an average or maybe just the Dutch average could also work. yes but that is with 0 ADC use 0.5 ADC because there are so many samples in K13 source then you will get rid of all those little precentages.
Here you have, I changed my first post to make those the "official" references:
What is the point in representing ancient Paleo-Balkans with modern Central and Southern Italians, when there are ancient Balkan samples? Same for using the modern German average as Germanic.
Don't understand the point in all these modern calculators either. Doesn't everybody know what they are already?
What is the point in representing ancient Paleo-Balkans with modern Central and Southern Italians, when there are ancient Balkan samples? Same for using the modern German average as Germanic.
Don't understand the point in all these modern calculators either. Doesn't everybody know what they are already?
Ask the author of the model, I simply copied it with G25 similar references.:D
