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I have created averages by randomly choosing ~20 samples from the archive and tried not to add definite outliers. I believe these are decent enough.
https://i.ibb.co/X287KjN/Eurogenes-K13-Balkan-T-rk.pngCode:Turk_Trakya,15.59,18.68,14.59,17.12,21.06,2.92,1.42,2.18,5.21,0.48,0.35,0.19,0.20
Turk_Deliorman,18.24,21.24,14.61,15.55,19.50,2.61,1.05,2.57,3.74,0.41,0.51,0.17,0.15
Turk_Makedonya,19.58,18.64,16.77,13.73,23.61,2.80,0.68,1.01,2.18,0.21,0.36,0.21,0.24
I will be rearranging Pomaks later.
My previous distances
And new oneCode:Distance to: Thracian
4.55378963 Turk_Balkan_average
4.81646828 Turk_Bulgaria_Central
5.19791411 Turk_Western_Thrace
6.28170757 Turk_Eastern_Macedonia
6.76759107 Turk_Bulgaria_Northeast
7.12895588 Turk_Bulgaria_South
7.42994616 Turk_Bulgaria_East
7.49533188 Pomak_Drama
8.06793034 Greek_Istanbul
8.44125583 Bulgaria_Southeastern
8.63470903 Turk_Central_Macedonia
8.67974654 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.76254529 Greek_Northeast
8.76334982 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
8.85529785 Greek_West_Macedonia
8.88277547 Turk_Eastern_Thrace
8.97182813 Bulgaria_Northeastern
8.97666976 Turk_Crete
9.03455035 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
9.14821841 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.29669834 Greek
9.60569753 Greek_Thessaly
9.65942027 Pomak_Komotini
9.67675565 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
9.69574133 Pomak_Nevrokopi
Code:Distance to: Thracian
5.85551876 Turk_Makedonya
6.27652770 Turk_Trakya
6.62729206 Turk_Deliorman
7.49533188 Pomak_Drama
8.06793034 Greek_Istanbul
8.44125583 Bulgaria_Southeastern
8.67974654 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.76254529 Greek_Northeast
8.76334982 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
8.85529785 Greek_West_Macedonia
8.97182813 Bulgaria_Northeastern
8.97666976 Turk_Crete
9.03455035 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
9.14821841 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.29669834 Greek
9.60569753 Greek_Thessaly
9.65942027 Pomak_Komotini
9.67675565 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
9.69574133 Pomak_Nevrokopi
9.73147471 Greek_Peloponnese
9.92584001 MacedonianSouthWest
9.98492864 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
9.98786263 Pomak_average
10.01635662 Greek_Central_Macedonia
10.02946659 MacedonianPelagonia
Thanks for posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thracian
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FatherCode:Distance to: Kaspias
4.52204600 Turk_Trakya
5.86913111 Turk_Deliorman
8.45941487 Pomak_Drama
8.89607779 Turk_Makedonya
9.59017727 Pomak_Komotini
10.18662358 Pomak_average
10.20104897 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
10.78962928 Bulgaria_Southeastern
11.11358178 Pomak_Nevrokopi
11.43537931 Turk_Crete
11.54653195 Bulgaria_Northeastern
11.56314404 Bulgaria_Northcentral
11.70595575 Bulgaria_Southcentral
12.01060365 Greek_Northern-Thrace
12.04189354 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
12.06470058 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
12.10187176 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
12.12707302 Bulgaria_average
12.24790186 Romania_Muntenia
12.40733654 Greek_Istanbul
12.42888973 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
12.54615877 Romania_Dobruja
12.64367826 MacedonianSouthWest
12.71435409 MacedonianCentral
12.73778238 Romania_Wallachia
Distance to: Kaspias23andme
7.81042893 Turk_Trakya
8.09695004 Turk_Deliorman
8.34092321 Pomak_Drama
8.50623889 Turk_Makedonya
9.43884527 Pomak_average
9.74955384 Pomak_Komotini
10.31198817 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
10.56396706 Pomak_Nevrokopi
10.58694007 Greek_Northern-Thrace
10.65409311 Pomak_Xanthi
10.78325554 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
10.83836704 Turk_Crete
10.91263488 Bulgaria_Southeastern
11.06959349 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
11.13748176 Bulgaria_Southcentral
11.16262514 Bulgaria_Northcentral
11.18011628 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
11.69935041 MacedonianNorthEast
11.79603323 Bulgaria_average
11.85878156 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
11.89129934 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
11.90134866 MacedonianSouthWest
11.91859472 Bulgaria_Northeastern
12.03520669 Romania_Muntenia
12.04328859 Greek_Central_Macedonia
CousinCode:Distance to: Kaspias_dad
7.98117159 Turk_Trakya
10.49511791 Turk_Deliorman
11.49155342 Turk_Makedonya
11.77996180 Turk_Crete
13.41913932 Pomak_Drama
13.45278410 Greek_Istanbul
13.63223386 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
14.09143002 Greek_West_Macedonia
14.15196453 Greek_Northeast
14.18814294 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
14.30380719 Greek
14.37610170 Bulgaria_Southeastern
14.47436009 Pomak_Komotini
14.47478843 Greek_Peloponnese
14.72462563 Greek_Central
14.79057893 Greek_Thessaly
14.79334648 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
14.80557327 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
14.84432552 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
14.94547089 Greek_Central_Macedonia
15.00909058 Bulgaria_Northeastern
15.02530865 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
15.18233842 Turk_North_West
15.25444198 MacedonianSouthWest
15.30033987 Greek_Andros_Island
Mom(will be more meaningful after rearranging Pomaks though)Code:Distance to: Kaspias_cousin
6.66547073 Turk_Trakya
7.72217586 Turk_Makedonya
7.81680881 Turk_Deliorman
9.01067700 Turk_Crete
9.40286658 Greek_Northeast
9.42060508 Greek_West_Macedonia
9.45786974 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
9.75323023 Bulgaria_Southeastern
9.79308429 Pomak_Drama
9.90728015 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
9.90957618 Greek
10.08557386 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
10.08741419 Greek_Thessaly
10.16402479 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
10.17419284 Vlach_North-Macedonia
10.20389141 MacedonianSouthWest
10.30577023 Greek_Peloponnese
10.48555673 Greek_Central_Macedonia
10.50541765 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
10.50912461 MacedonianPelagonia
10.57053925 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
10.68612184 Bulgaria_Northeastern
10.71839074 Pomak_Komotini
10.76797103 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
10.89795394 Greek_Central
Code:Distance to: Kaspias_mom_phased
8.28454585 Pomak_Drama
8.31212368 Pomak_Xanthi
8.44668574 Pomak_average
8.71775774 Pomak_Komotini
10.00919078 Turk_Deliorman
10.41836360 Pomak_Nevrokopi
10.52114062 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
10.87349530 Bulgaria_Northcentral
10.87612063 Greek_Northern-Thrace
11.06023960 Turk_Trakya
11.25904969 Bulgaria_Southcentral
11.43244943 Bulgaria_Southeastern
11.71161389 Bulgaria_average
11.83012680 Romania_Muntenia
11.88124573 Turk_Makedonya
11.90580951 Bulgaria_Northwestern
12.02393862 Pomak_Plovdiv
12.08835804 Moldova_South
12.14837026 Romania_Dobruja
12.22771033 MacedonianNorthEast
12.35337606 Romania_Wallachia
12.36102747 Bulgaria_Northeastern
12.86194775 Bulgaria_Southwestern
12.92169880 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
12.92774922 Romania_Banat
So basically
Trakya - 2.18% East_Asian, 5.21% Siberian, 0.48% Amerindian
Deliorman - 2.57% East_Asian, 3.74% Siberian, 0.41% Amerindian
Makedonya - 1.01% East_Asian, 2.18% Siberian, 0.21% Amerindian
Yes, these are the averages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Many of these are higher EA than Anatolian Turks. Big loss for the theory that Balkan Turks are assimilated natives
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
The Makedonya average is pretty low though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hapanuwa
Yes but the admixture is still there. Sometimes, people act like these Balkan Turks are a hypnotized and Islamized native population, and that the Turkic nomads have never entered the Balkan, which is untrue. This is mostly due to nationalist propaganda to assimilate Turkish and muslim minorities within their country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Macedonian Turkic average is higher than many Turks from NE Anatolia, who don't even have 0,01% EA. Still, we don't consider them 'less' Turkish in Turkey.
You guys should spread some Yoruks over Trabzon,Lazistan or Gagauzia ,these propagandists will see then..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hapanuwa
It is not even a theory, just a defense mechanism for Anthrotards who don't want to accept the Turkish presence in the Balkans. On the other hand, in terms of states, they do it with the purposes of assimilating, pushing Turks to migrate to Turkey, or thanks to bad mutual relations with Turkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hapanuwa
Yes. There are some reasons for it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
1- Low sample size. We don't have samples from specific rural areas where Turkish was the only spoken language but have mostly from urban settlements. 30Km neighbour of Thessaloniki, Langaza, has 6% EE average(N=3) while Thessaloniki has 2%(N=4).
2- Presence of various Muslim ethnicities around which led Turks to mix with them; instead of marriages only among Balkan Turks.
3- Cosmopolit structure of the region.
4- Thessaloniki, being the heart of the Ottoman Balkans, encouraged Turks to settle in urban areas by leaving nomadism/semi-nomadism earlier.
Frankly, only 10% of the admixture determines what language you will speak when it comes to Macedonia. The difference between Greek, Slavic, and Turkic speakers are only around 10% when used population averages.
https://i.ibb.co/QPqDJHr/makedonya.png
Don't give the radical nationalists any ideas, alright..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorian
I didn't emphasize that in order to imply they are assimilated or something. What is assimilated anyway? Only with a 100% intact gene pool? Kaspias said himself Balkan Turks are about 80% local.
Kaspias, do you have this spreadsheet in tabular format like csv, xls, etc. Will be highly appreciated
HereQuote:
Originally Posted by balkanik
Code:Trakya1,15.6,18.76,14.6,15.97,22.39,3.73,1.83,0.36,6.58,0,0.18,0,0
Trakya2,17.97,15.09,16.47,14.51,19.29,5.72,3.36,1.44,5.13,0.75,0,0.25,0
Trakya3,14.3,19.3,13.54,15.02,23.97,2.61,2.66,1.35,6.47,0.48,0,0.31,0
Trakya4,12.44,19.6,14.45,16.09,21.78,2.87,2.52,2.89,6.78,0,0.22,0,0.31
Trakya5,15.82,18.59,10.2,20.84,19.03,3.01,0,4.67,7.31,0.5,0,0,0
Trakya6,12.97,23.26,12.62,15.5,21.23,1.56,0.51,3.69,6.68,1.24,0.42,0.33,0
Trakya7,13.56,16.31,11.11,18.56,23.37,3.23,3.31,2.51,5.43,0.82,0,1.78,0
Trakya8,18.29,15.35,12.29,19.82,20.79,3.6,2.08,2.74,3.82,0.52,0.7,0,0
Trakya9,16.78,14.46,11.66,21.02,24.97,2.92,0,3.65,3.35,1.08,0.1,0,0
Trakya10,16.15,20.1,13.18,18.63,16.84,4.6,1.96,1.38,5.17,0.94,0,1.06,0
Trakya11,14.39,20.25,12.95,17.57,18.36,4.61,1.89,2.2,5.82,1.5,0.12,0.13,0.21
Trakya12,15.31,19.76,16.72,18.21,15.01,4.47,1.11,3.82,5.04,0.15,0.41,0,0
Trakya13,15.71,17.98,16.46,16.61,21.45,2.88,0.47,2.54,5.37,0,0.54,0,0
Trakya14,15.65,18.37,15.33,17.42,17.18,3.97,0,3.47,7.75,0,0.47,0.4,0
Trakya15,13.51,20.16,14.4,18.04,22.1,1.91,1.93,2.32,4.61,0.54,0.49,0,0
Trakya16,18.07,16.46,21.49,14.43,19.45,1.35,1.43,1.79,3.61,1.55,0.35,0,0
Trakya17,13.32,16.97,14.72,19.17,26.1,3.27,0.96,1.09,4.31,0.08,0,0,0
Trakya18,17.64,19.53,13.78,14.43,25.22,2.09,0,1.91,3.7,0.16,0.61,0,0.92
Trakya19,18.14,13.16,17.54,16.69,23.87,1.85,1.11,1.7,5.04,0.39,0,0,0.51
Trakya20,21.73,22.67,17.46,13.29,16.96,1.02,1.54,0,4.95,0,0.38,0,0
Trakya21,13.84,19.61,17.23,16.16,21.96,0.71,3.23,1.5,3.83,0.11,0.38,0,1.44
Trakya22,13.45,24.52,15.86,16.6,19.07,4.57,0.82,0,3.54,0.33,1.13,0,0.1
Trakya23,13.99,19.27,11.53,19.07,24.09,0.72,0,3.23,5.5,0,1.44,0,1.16
Turk_Trakya,15.59,18.68,14.59,17.12,21.06,2.92,1.42,2.18,5.21,0.48,0.35,0.19,0.20
Deliorman1,17.61,24.19,14.51,16.84,17.02,0,0,2.36,5.53,0.41,0.83,0.71,0
Deliorman2,20.47,22.68,13.98,14.68,16.91,3.42,0.75,2.68,2.91,0.51,0,1,0
Deliorman3,14.23,25.1,14.69,16.54,20.91,1.35,0,0,5.15,0,0.82,0,1.2
Deliorman4,17.93,19.53,17.38,15.31,18.57,3.95,0,1.63,3.92,0.64,1.15,0,0
Deliorman5,17.99,22.26,13.49,14.97,22.75,2.34,0.32,2.68,2.4,0,0.8,0,0
Deliorman6,19.47,21.71,12.51,15.64,17.3,3.27,1.62,2.45,4.39,0,1.1,0.54,0
Deliorman7,19.67,18.58,18.66,18.25,16.86,1.04,0,2.27,3.73,0.21,0,0,0.72
Deliorman8,16.12,22.36,13.98,13.6,20.46,4.32,0,4.89,1.93,1.18,0.66,0,0
Deliorman9,14.22,23.71,14.84,11.56,22.5,2.97,2.24,3.78,3.51,0,0.66,0,0
Deliorman10,20.9,21.39,17.77,18.16,10.9,2.97,1.94,1.08,4.19,0,0.45,0,0.25
Deliorman11,23.73,21.36,13.55,13.69,14.49,4.35,0.67,2.17,5.17,0,0.34,0.46,0
Deliorman12,17.29,22.38,15.64,12.68,19.55,3.36,0,3.05,5.06,0.86,0,0,0.14
Deliorman13,20.11,20.85,15.11,14.69,19.97,1.95,0.08,1.59,4.82,0.26,0,0,0.57
Deliorman14,18.11,19.73,17.01,13.52,23.17,1.47,0.07,2.78,1.99,1.03,1.06,0,0
Deliorman15,19.99,19.8,15.31,17.11,13.53,2.02,1.1,2.67,6.76,0.7,1,0,0
Deliorman16,16.36,18.16,10.92,19.37,19.47,4.31,1.77,3.7,4.01,0.65,1.23,0.06,0
Deliorman17,21.04,21.12,18.54,11.85,20.15,0.61,1.47,2.57,1.88,0.38,0.4,0,0
Deliorman18,17.66,24.12,17.41,14.91,19.23,3.1,0,2.57,0,0.52,0.48,0,0
Deliorman19,18.15,22.61,15.49,12.65,18.85,4.32,2.72,2.17,0.35,1.73,0,0.59,0.38
Deliorman20,22.03,22.51,12.19,12.82,30.23,1.98,0.98,1.16,4.86,0.12,0.53,0.6,0
Deliorman21,19.28,21.91,11.45,16.88,19.42,2.73,1.34,2.15,4.28,0.53,0,0,0
Deliorman22,14.29,21.35,14.16,20.98,18.3,3.91,0,1.84,4.33,0,0.8,0,0
Deliorman23,14.46,21.55,13.3,18.81,19.42,2.59,1.82,4.46,2.49,0.6,0,0.42,0.08
Deliorman24,20.17,18.88,12.05,14.29,22.67,2.61,1.15,3.42,3.38,0.61,0.7,0,0
Deliorman25,17.04,16.29,10.51,16.02,19.27,1.4,6.57,6.3,6.45,0.13,0,0,0
Deliorman26,17.43,17.14,14.63,15.79,23.24,0.99,1.84,1.12,6.31,0.12,0.72,0,0.66
Deliorman27,16.85,22.19,15.29,18.31,21.25,3.01,0,1.8,1.14,0,0,0.16,0
Turk_Deliorman,18.24,21.24,14.61,15.55,19.50,2.61,1.05,2.57,3.74,0.41,0.51,0.17,0.15
Makedonya1,25.23,20.79,15.94,11.36,20.01,3.83,0,0.77,2.07,0,0,0,0
Makedonya2,18.24,21.57,15.44,12.5,21.68,4.42,0,1.14,1.28,0.44,0,1.83,1.45
Makedonya3,21.85,22.84,13.77,12.65,20.42,2.7,0,1.32,3.28,0.45,0.72,0,0
Makedonya4,24.04,20.86,12.92,10.92,23.26,2.15,0.94,0,3.72,0.26,0.92,0,0
Makedonya5,19.21,20.83,16.84,12.38,27.09,2.02,0,0.65,0.41,0,0.56,0,0
Makedonya6,19.29,19.58,17.35,12.55,26.1,1.97,0,0.51,1.38,0,0.94,0,0.32
Makedonya7,15.56,16.77,16.25,17.19,23.84,2.24,2.51,1.42,3.26,0.18,0.26,0.53,0
Makedonya8,13.81,14.6,17.76,18.2,25.47,3.91,0,3.28,2.14,0.65,0.19,0,0
Makedonya9,13.9,11.74,20.19,17.63,26.63,2.82,1.49,2,2.2,0,0,0.33,1.07
Makedonya10,28.46,11.35,22.51,9.93,21.72,4.09,0,0,1.69,0,0.24,0,0
Makedonya11,17.97,19.98,17.62,15,20.59,1.96,2.64,1.31,2.58,0.08,0.26,0,0
Makedonya12,19.21,24.03,16.12,10.51,24.33,2.51,0.67,0.07,2.11,0.19,0,0,0.25
Makedonya13,17.8,17.36,15.29,17.61,25.74,1.76,0.55,0.63,2.25,0.46,0.55,0,0
Turk_Makedonya,19.58,18.64,16.77,13.73,23.61,2.80,0.68,1.01,2.18,0.21,0.36,0.21,0.24