Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

Continuation of the previous thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...89#post7086489

I excluded South Asian results this time as it's better to have an own thread for it to keep things clear.

New Iranian Azerbaijani result from East-Azerbaijan province:


Gedrosian: 21.21
Siberian: 3.04
Northwest_African: 2.21
Southeast_Asian: 0.31
Atlantic_Med: 7.35
North_European: 9.69
South_Asian: 3.04
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.43
East_Asian: 3.28
Caucasian: 38.12
Sub_Saharan: 0.32

Distance to: East-Azerbaijan
2.70970478 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.80553025 Azerbaijani
3.72698269 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.67470704 Turk_Southeast
6.15380370 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.05697527 Zaza
7.14774090 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.29180362 Iraq_Turkmen
7.36713649 Kurd_Adygea
7.43571785 Yazidi
7.69601195 Kurd_Sorani
7.87692199 Turk_South
8.01293954 Turk_Central_East
8.24747234 Iran_Central
9.10224698 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.56099367 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.62840070 Turk_Central_West
9.63871361 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.63913897 Iranian_Fars
9.69464801 Iranian
9.75616216 Turk_East
10.03636887 Lur_Iran
10.51698626 Iran_Khorasan
11.51617124 Turk_Southwest
11.66547899 Turk_West_BlackSea

Target: East-Azerbaijan
Distance: 1.1540% / 1.15401595 | ADC: 0.25x RC
77.4 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.7 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.0 Nogai
4.2 Iran_Khorasan
2.7 Algerian

Half Turkish Kurd half Iraq Kurd

Population
Gedrosia 24.35 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.52 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.28 Pct
North_European 6.55 Pct
South_Asian 2.93 Pct
East_African 0.44 Pct
Southwest_Asian 15.77 Pct
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Caucasus 38.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Deniz
2.80763245 Kurd_Sorani
3.22315063 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.34438335 Yazidi
4.09234652 Kurd_Adygea
4.44526715 Iraq_Turkmen
4.46563545 Zaza
5.75158239 Lur_Iran
6.03280200 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.18074429 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.06168535 Azerbaijani
7.30227362 Iranian
7.50095994 Iranian_Fars
7.86474412 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.48191606 Turk_Southeast
8.62077143 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.39914890 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.43197968 Mandean
10.63199417 Turk_East
11.15701573 Iranian_Jew
11.48554309 Azeri_Jew
11.80132196 Iran_Khorasan
11.87325566 Turk_Central_East
12.06431929 Iran_Arab
12.13154978 Assyrian_North
12.30243878 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Deniz
Distance: 1.7808% / 1.78077644 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.2 Kurd_Sorani
26.8 Yazidi
8.6 Assyrian_North
6.7 Zaza
1.9 Spanish_Basque
0.8 Dai

75% Tat from Quba (Republic of Azerbaijan) + 25% Turk from Azerbaijan Rep.:

Gedrosian: 24.20
Siberian: 1.42
Northwest_African: 2.24
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.20
North_European: 10.58
South_Asian: 1.82
East_African: 0.27
Southwest_Asian: 9.99
East_Asian: 1.94
Caucasian: 40.34
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Tat
4.87094447 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.13871579 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.80191348 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.81243495 Azerbaijani
5.82596773 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.88045066 Kurd_Adygea
5.88867557 Zaza
6.73401069 Yazidi
7.02607999 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.84964967 Iranian
7.86498570 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.97784432 Iran_Central
8.14569825 Kurd_Sorani
9.03241385 Turk_Southeast
9.28228420 Iraq_Turkmen
9.34868440 Lur_Iran
9.79562658 Turk_East
10.06596245 Iranian_Fars
10.12445060 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.68147930 Turk_Central_East
11.02132478 Iran_Khorasan
11.28824167 Ingush
11.47639752 Turk_South
11.68704411 Iran_C_East
11.92223972 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Tat
Distance: 1.8870% / 1.88697129 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
32.9 Kurd_Adygea
28.3 Azerbaijani_Iran

@Kyp, do you have Qajar-tribe samples?

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Originally Posted by Gecko

@Kyp, do you have Qajar-tribe samples?

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Yes from Absheron, Azerbaijan Republic:

Gedrosian: 19.02
Siberian: 2.15
Northwest_African: 1.59
Southeast_Asian: 0.12
Atlantic_Med: 5.88
North_European: 11.28
South_Asian: 0.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.61
East_Asian: 3.16
Caucasian: 42.93
Sub_Saharan: 0.40

Distance to: Qajar
5.90927237 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.60031060 Azerbaijani
6.65594471 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.95345238 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.08945696 Turk_East
7.79696095 Zaza
7.85548216 Turk_Southeast
8.25650653 Turk_Central_East
8.43995853 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.59238035 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.28813221 Kurd_Adygea
9.48955215 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.49126967 Turk_South
9.77711103 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.80595227 Iraq_Turkmen
10.21538546 Kurd_Sorani
10.65277429 Yazidi
10.77387581 Turk_Central_West
10.85521994 Armenian_East
11.16012993 Adyghe
11.35617893 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.79439274 Turk_Ahiska
11.85221498 Abazin
11.91117542 Ingush
11.94697870 Circassian

Target: Qajar
Distance: 1.6351% / 1.63511588 | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.2 Kumyks
25.5 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.8 Azerbaijani
10.5 Yemenite_Mahra

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.

Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.

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Originally Posted by Aren

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.

Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.

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There are no other Tat results that I'm aware of.

Here are some Kurds from Iran (different regions):

Gedrosian: 26.34
Siberian: 0.58
Northwest_African: 2.02
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.76
North_European: 5.53
South_Asian: 3.24
East_African: 0.21
Southwest_Asian: 14.06
East_Asian: 0.53
Caucasian: 39.48
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Gedrosian: 25.72
Siberian: 0.79
Northwest_African: 2.19
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.96
North_European: 6.83
South_Asian: 2.10
East_African: 1.26
Southwest_Asian: 12.24
East_Asian: 1.89
Caucasian: 36.99
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Gedrosian: 31.18
Siberian: 1.18
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.60
Atlantic_Med: 4.98
North_European: 3.09
South_Asian: 2.08
East_African: 0.18
Southwest_Asian: 14.52
East_Asian: 0.34
Caucasian: 40.70
Sub_Saharan: 0.52

Gedrosian: 27.76
Siberian: 0.55
Northwest_African: 1.17
Southeast_Asian: 0.50
Atlantic_Med: 5.70
North_European: 4.82
South_Asian: 3.24
East_African: 0.36
Southwest_Asian: 14.63
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 41.72
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

West-Azerbaijan province:
Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 0.33
Northwest_African: 1.64
Southeast_Asian: 0.88
Atlantic_Med: 8.70
North_European: 10.78
South_Asian: 1.13
East_African: 1.46
Southwest_Asian: 13.63
East_Asian: 0.27
Caucasian: 36.77
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

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Originally Posted by Aren

More samples from the different Iranian groups. I would like to see more Tats and Iranian Kurds.

Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.

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Important to not that (Azeri and Dagestani)Tats and Kurds will likely be very different.
Here is an interesting article about Muslim and Jewish tats from Dagestan:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22275152/

Tats' haplogroups were found to be similar to Kubachin and Avars:
J1-M267 65%
J2-M172 5%
R1b1-P25 25%

I read somewhere that it is likely that they are persianized Caucasians.

The Azeri DNA group is trying to find tats to perform autosomal testing.
I'll try to convince some of my pure tat relatives to take a test. But right now I suspect Azerbaijani tats will be similar to North Azeris, Lezgins and other Dagestani people. Phenotypically they look like them.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

The Azeri DNA group is trying to find tats to perform autosomal testing.
I'll try to convince some of my pure tat relatives to take a test. But right now I suspect Azerbaijani tats will be similar to North Azeris, Lezgins and other Dagestani people. Phenotypically they look like them.

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Do you have any Lezgin Dodecad results or Gedmatch kits? We need to update the average.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Kyp

There are no other Tat results that I'm aware of.


West-Azerbaijan province:
Gedrosian: 24.41
Siberian: 0.33
Northwest_African: 1.64
Southeast_Asian: 0.88
Atlantic_Med: 8.70
North_European: 10.78
South_Asian: 1.13
East_African: 1.46
Southwest_Asian: 13.63
East_Asian: 0.27
Caucasian: 36.77
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

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Proximity to Azeris seems to be a conduit for higher Med and NE components, probably indicating mixed background. Very curious.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Proximity to Azeris seems to be a conduit for higher Med and NE components, probably indicating mixed background. Very curious.

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Yes although a lot of Kurds in Iran lived nomadically so region won't always be decisive for genetics, Same goes for some tribal Azeri groups.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Do you have any Lezgin Dodecad results or Gedmatch kits? We need to update the average.

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No unfortunately. I'll post them here as soon as I find any.

For what it is worth, here is the result of Azerbaijani with recent Lezgin ancestry. Note the high Gedrosia:
https://i.imgur.com/m5NF6rW.png

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Originally Posted by Aren

Also I've searched and searched but have not yet found a single Kurd from Arbil.

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Kurd from Arbil/Erbil:

Gedrosian: 24.51
Siberian: 1.55
Northwest_African: 0.55
Southeast_Asian: 1.10
Atlantic_Med: 8.70
North_European: 7.02
South_Asian: 1.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.22
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.39
Sub_Saharan: 0.10


Distance to: Kurd_Erbil
1.64687583 Kurd_Kurmanji
2.22418524 Zaza
2.37987395 Kurd_Adygea
3.11855736 Yazidi
3.98684085 Kurd_Sorani
4.16661733 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.94726187 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.28264138 Iraq_Turkmen
5.66612743 Lur_Iran
6.04093536 Iranian
6.43668393 Azerbaijani
6.57007610 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.78446018 Iran_Central
7.36452986 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.35212548 Turk_Southeast
8.52489883 Iranian_Fars
9.00101105 Turk_East
10.12345791 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.92318177 Mandean
11.10561570 Turk_Central_East
11.11729284 Azeri_Jew
11.39444163 Iran_C_East
11.51163325 Iranian_Jew
11.55340210 Iran_Mazandaran
11.77008921 Assyrian_North

Target: Kurd_Erbil
Distance: 1.2903% / 1.29025836 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
35.2 Zaza
6.8 Iranian
2.7 Mandean
1.4 Kurd_Adygea
0.7 Cambodians

Another Karachay result from my matchlist

Y-DNA: J2a1
mtDNA: D4 (East Asian)


Population
Gedrosia 18.95 Pct
Siberian 3.27 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.28 Pct
North_European 18.27 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.75 Pct
East_Asian 3.87 Pct
Caucasus 45.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: *****
2.44313323 Karachay
3.00699185 Circassian
3.15917711 Balkar
3.58567985 Abazin
3.97322287 Ossetian
4.01105971 Kumyks
4.13054476 Adyghe
4.78735835 Ingush
4.97046276 Kabardin
6.40916531 Chechen
7.63317758 Ossetian_South
10.75596579 Qumuq
12.86482802 Lak
12.96751325 Abkhazian
13.20493847 Lezgin
13.65818070 Kubachi_Dagestan
14.70348598 Kaitag_Dagestan
14.78175903 Avar
14.94983612 Georgian
15.00077331 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.10593592 Tabasaran
15.46994829 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.47945735 Udi_Azerbaijan
15.69427921 Turk_Ahiska
15.78705799 Dargin



Target: *****
Distance: 1.5501% / 1.55007024 | ADC: 0.25x RC
30.5 Ossetian_South
28.9 Karachay
24.1 Ossetian
11.9 Kubachi_Dagestan
2.6 Spanish_Basque
2.0 Korean



Target: *****
Distance: 2.3546% / 2.35462412 | ADC: 0.5x RC
86.5 Karachay
13.5 Ingush

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Originally Posted by RatCat

Another Karachay result from my matchlist

Y-DNA: J2a1
mtDNA: D4 (East Asian)

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The reference is good.:thumb001:

One Georgian account (I'm censoring the email address because it's a public forum). Non-Georgian kits are in red

Spoiler!

Email: K***RI2000@YAHOO.COM

Kit Number: T043342
Name: *AG

Kit Number: T124469
Name: *JW

Kit Number: T528550
Name: Angi Gavashelishvili

Kit Number: T763751
Name: Arm5

Kit Number: T913034
Name: Arm9

Kit Number: T107534
Name: Arm12

Kit Number: T699065
Name: Arm16

Kit Number: T053436
Name: Arm24

Kit Number: T303331
Name: daTo_H66

Kit Number: T092343
Name: kax_H64

Kit Number: T946422
Name: kax_H70

Kit Number: T604032
Name: kax_H94

Kit Number: T029625
Name: kax_H148

Kit Number: T037787
Name: kax_H167

Kit Number: T904081
Name: msx_1m

Kit Number: T907644
Name: msx_12m

Kit Number: T593666
Name: msx_23m

Kit Number: T428540
Name: msx_25m

Kit Number: T254774
Name: msx_38m

Kit Number: T771501
Name: smg_H131

Kit Number: T663901
Name: smg_H132

Kit Number: T203531
Name: smg_H134

Kit Number: T568174
Name: smg_H135

Kit Number: T832413
Name: smg_H146

Kit Number: T689135
Name: svn_H213

Kit Number: T086046
Name: svn_H214

Kit Number: T880318
Name: svn_H218

Kit Number: T018906
Name: svn_H221

Kit Number: T701391
Name: svn_H223

Kit Number: T191893
Name: TS_H183

Kit Number: T755309
Name: TS_H184

Kit Number: T250616
Name: TS_H189

Kit Number: T710401
Name: TS_H191

Kit Number: A275295
Name: AZ_Belarus

Kit Number: A968389
Name: HZ_Belarus

I wanted to use some of the for averages but they seem to be relatives.

Another account, the owner appears to have a Ukrainian grandmother

Spoiler!

Email: J***L.G***TIDZE@GMAIL.COM

Kit Number: M093855

Gedrosia 13.08 Pct
Siberian 0.79 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.76 Pct
North_European 21.66 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.82 Pct
East_Asian 1.38 Pct
Caucasus 45.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M012621
R2 J1 (1627 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.17 Pct
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Northwest_African 0.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.16 Pct
North_European 14.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.73 Pct
East_African 0.09 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 52.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M111145
K1b1c J1* (3587.1 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.07 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.71 Pct
North_European 6.48 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.1 Pct
East_Asian 0.56 Pct
Caucasus 58.08 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M014030

Gedrosia 19.65 Pct
Siberian 0.89 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.23 Pct
North_European 12.64 Pct
South_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.14 Pct
East_Asian 0.16 Pct
Caucasus 54.14 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T789643
(1679.8 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 17.04 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.92 Pct
North_European 7.59 Pct
South_Asian 0.36 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.5 Pct
East_Asian 0.13 Pct
Caucasus 52.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T397726
Name: *Georgian

Gedrosia 19.89 Pct
Siberian 0.43 Pct
Northwest_African 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.37 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.26 Pct
North_European 13.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.35 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T254485
Name: *Laz2

Kit Number: T979947
Name: *Laz3

Kit Number: T344458
Name: *Laz4

Kit Number: T721535

Gedrosia 18.49 Pct
Siberian 0.37 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.71 Pct
North_European 8.27 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.62 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T876441

Gedrosia 17.86 Pct
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.58 Pct
North_European 10.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.24 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.36 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T720875

Gedrosia 5.78 Pct
Siberian 3.63 Pct
Northwest_African 0.67 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.83 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.84 Pct
North_European 41.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.83 Pct
East_African 2.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.5 Pct
East_Asian 1.18 Pct
Caucasus 16.42 Pct
Sub_Saharan 7.55 Pct

Kit Number: T678723
K1b1c R2a* (948.3 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 17.03 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.23 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.6 Pct
North_European 6.76 Pct
South_Asian 0.81 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T525141

Gedrosia 12.29 Pct
Siberian 3.24 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.46 Pct
North_European 35.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.06 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.35 Pct
East_Asian 0.59 Pct
Caucasus 32.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T500470
(1976.9 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 2.45 Pct
Siberian 2.32 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 23.98 Pct
North_European 52.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.94 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Caucasus 15.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T716434
K1b1c J1-BY70 (2007.1 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.66 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.71 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.67 Pct
North_European 7.9 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.91 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 55.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T101123

Gedrosia 21.05 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.65 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.3 Pct
North_European 8.05 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 56.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

If any of you guys are interested in exploring them, you are welcome. But apparently most regular readers here are no fans of the Georgians for whatever reason ;)

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

One Georgian account (I'm censoring the email address because it's a public forum). Non-Georgian kits are in red


Another account, the owner appears to have a Ukrainian grandmother

Spoiler!

Email: J***L.G***TIDZE@GMAIL.COM

Kit Number: M093855

Gedrosia 13.08 Pct
Siberian 0.79 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.76 Pct
North_European 21.66 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.82 Pct
East_Asian 1.38 Pct
Caucasus 45.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M012621
R2 J1 (1627 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.17 Pct
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Northwest_African 0.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.16 Pct
North_European 14.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.73 Pct
East_African 0.09 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 52.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M111145
K1b1c J1* (3587.1 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.07 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.71 Pct
North_European 6.48 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.1 Pct
East_Asian 0.56 Pct
Caucasus 58.08 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: M014030

Gedrosia 19.65 Pct
Siberian 0.89 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.23 Pct
North_European 12.64 Pct
South_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_African 0.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.14 Pct
East_Asian 0.16 Pct
Caucasus 54.14 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T789643
(1679.8 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 17.04 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.92 Pct
North_European 7.59 Pct
South_Asian 0.36 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.5 Pct
East_Asian 0.13 Pct
Caucasus 52.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T397726
Name: *Georgian

Gedrosia 19.89 Pct
Siberian 0.43 Pct
Northwest_African 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.37 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.26 Pct
North_European 13.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.35 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T254485
Name: *Laz2

Kit Number: T979947
Name: *Laz3

Kit Number: T344458
Name: *Laz4

Kit Number: T721535

Gedrosia 18.49 Pct
Siberian 0.37 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.71 Pct
North_European 8.27 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.62 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T876441

Gedrosia 17.86 Pct
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.58 Pct
North_European 10.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.24 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.36 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 61.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T720875

Gedrosia 5.78 Pct
Siberian 3.63 Pct
Northwest_African 0.67 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.83 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.84 Pct
North_European 41.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.83 Pct
East_African 2.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.5 Pct
East_Asian 1.18 Pct
Caucasus 16.42 Pct
Sub_Saharan 7.55 Pct

Kit Number: T678723
K1b1c R2a* (948.3 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 17.03 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.23 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.6 Pct
North_European 6.76 Pct
South_Asian 0.81 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T525141

Gedrosia 12.29 Pct
Siberian 3.24 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.46 Pct
North_European 35.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.06 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.35 Pct
East_Asian 0.59 Pct
Caucasus 32.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T500470
(1976.9 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 2.45 Pct
Siberian 2.32 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 23.98 Pct
North_European 52.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.94 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.05 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Caucasus 15.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T716434
K1b1c J1-BY70 (2007.1 cM w/ J.)

Gedrosia 18.66 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.71 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.67 Pct
North_European 7.9 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.91 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 55.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T101123

Gedrosia 21.05 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.65 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.3 Pct
North_European 8.05 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 56.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

If any of you guys are interested in exploring them, you are welcome. But apparently most regular readers here are no fans of the Georgians for whatever reason ;)

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Some of the results here look more than quarter Ukrainian.
For example T525141 looks like he/she is only half Georgian:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 48.6% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.18
2 57% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) + 43% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.65
3 57.5% Balkars (Yunusbayev) + 42.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.67
4 58.2% Adygei (HGDP) + 41.8% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.1
5 50.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 49.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.17
6 57.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) + 42.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.45
7 58.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) + 41.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.52
8 55.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 44.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.64


First one though (M093855) looks like he is indeedquarter Ukrainina/Slavic:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 44.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.11
2 71.6% Armenians (Behar) + 28.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.45
3 70.6% Armenians (Behar) + 29.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.66
4 70.7% Armenians (Behar) + 29.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.76
5 71.2% Armenians (Behar) + 28.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.84
6 75.3% Armenians (Behar) + 24.7% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 3
7 71.9% Armenians (Behar) + 28.1% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.02

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Important to not that (Azeri and Dagestani)Tats and Kurds will likely be very different.
Here is an interesting article about Muslim and Jewish tats from Dagestan:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22275152/

Tats' haplogroups were found to be similar to Kubachin and Avars:
J1-M267 65%
J2-M172 5%
R1b1-P25 25%

I read somewhere that it is likely that they are persianized Caucasians.

The Azeri DNA group is trying to find tats to perform autosomal testing.
I'll try to convince some of my pure tat relatives to take a test. But right now I suspect Azerbaijani tats will be similar to North Azeris, Lezgins and other Dagestani people. Phenotypically they look like them.

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To be clear, I'm talking about Iranian Tats who speak a NW Iranian language. They are particularly interesting since their language descends from Old Azeri and the only somewhat clear linguistical descendants of the Medes.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Kurd from Arbil/Erbil:

Gedrosian: 24.51
Siberian: 1.55
Northwest_African: 0.55
Southeast_Asian: 1.10
Atlantic_Med: 8.70
North_European: 7.02
South_Asian: 1.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.22
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 40.39
Sub_Saharan: 0.10


Distance to: Kurd_Erbil
1.64687583 Kurd_Kurmanji
2.22418524 Zaza
2.37987395 Kurd_Adygea
3.11855736 Yazidi
3.98684085 Kurd_Sorani
4.16661733 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.94726187 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.28264138 Iraq_Turkmen
5.66612743 Lur_Iran
6.04093536 Iranian
6.43668393 Azerbaijani
6.57007610 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.78446018 Iran_Central
7.36452986 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.35212548 Turk_Southeast
8.52489883 Iranian_Fars
9.00101105 Turk_East
10.12345791 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.92318177 Mandean
11.10561570 Turk_Central_East
11.11729284 Azeri_Jew
11.39444163 Iran_C_East
11.51163325 Iranian_Jew
11.55340210 Iran_Mazandaran
11.77008921 Assyrian_North

Target: Kurd_Erbil
Distance: 1.2903% / 1.29025836 | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.2 Kurd_Kurmanji
35.2 Zaza
6.8 Iranian
2.7 Mandean
1.4 Kurd_Adygea
0.7 Cambodians

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Can you PM me the kit?
Or is this Halgurd's father?

it is Armenians from Akhaltsikhe and Akhalkalaki ?

1

Gedrosia 16.67 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.44 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.83 Pct
North_European 5.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 17.02 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 46.12 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Arm5
4.36798581 Armenian_West
4.56474534 Assyrian_West
5.13356601 Assyrian_North
5.17171152 Assyrian_South
5.59198534 Azeri_Jew
6.00024166 Armenian_East
6.85646410 Turk_East
7.32119526 Nusayri_Turkey
7.55125817 Kurdish_Jew
7.66777673 Iranian_Jew
7.89917717 Greek_Cappadocia
8.02789512 Iraqi_Jew
8.56951574 Mandean
8.83401381 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.72034464 Lebanese_Christian
10.11283838 Greek_Pontus
10.70641864 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.74537575 Zaza


2

Gedrosia 18.35 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.68 Pct
North_European 3.35 Pct
South_Asian 0.25 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 15.84 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 52.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Arm9
3.62048339 Armenian_East
5.42848966 Armenian_West
6.75810624 Turk_Ahiska
6.92434834 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.15993715 Assyrian_North
7.26030991 Azeri_Jew
7.33828999 Greek_Pontus
7.38652828 Hemshin
7.40636888 Turk_East
7.51445274 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.54088191 Assyrian_West
7.75075480 Assyrian_South
8.48882206 Laz
9.95821269 Georgian
10.53824938 Kurdish_Jew
10.59173263 Iranian_Jew
10.62217021 Georgian_Adjara
10.79132059 Georgian_Turkey

3

Gedrosia 16.16 Pct
Siberian 0.46 Pct
Northwest_African 0.89 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.96 Pct
North_European 2.52 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 16.33 Pct
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Caucasus 50.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Arm12
3.80245973 Armenian_West
4.54397403 Armenian_East
6.04470843 Assyrian_North
6.11409028 Greek_Pontus
6.36044810 Assyrian_West
6.38400345 Azeri_Jew
6.64463694 Assyrian_South
6.64468208 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.86384732 Hemshin
8.10254898 Laz
8.34813752 Turk_Ahiska
8.83542302 Turk_East
9.29411642 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.63896779 Kurdish_Jew
9.91366733 Iranian_Jew
10.18639779 Georgian_Adjara
10.47512768 Iraqi_Jew
10.65049295 Mandean
10.82692015 Georgian_Turkey
11.60805755 Georgian
12.54002791 Zaza


4

Gedrosia 16.16 Pct
Siberian 0.46 Pct
Northwest_African 0.89 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.96 Pct
North_European 2.52 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 16.33 Pct
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Caucasus 50.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Distance to: Arm16
1.77969098 Armenian_West
4.59237411 Assyrian_West
5.14788306 Assyrian_North
5.23926522 Armenian_East
5.32693157 Assyrian_South
5.87253778 Azeri_Jew
6.35735008 Greek_Pontus
7.59164014 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.30973525 Kurdish_Jew
8.70243069 Turk_East
8.82544616 Iraqi_Jew
8.92311605 Greek_Cappadocia
8.96955963 Iranian_Jew
9.38642637 Hemshin
9.63361303 Nusayri_Turkey
9.96426615 Mandean
10.56741217 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.57793458 Laz
11.08255837 Lebanese_Christian
11.19100532 Turk_Ahiska
12.99924613 Greek_Cypriot
13.22632602 Georgian_Adjara
13.39061238 Zaza
13.86309129 Lebanese_Muslim
14.01012491 Turk_Central_East


5
Gedrosia 17.95 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.39 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.63 Pct
North_European 4.28 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 17.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 49.17 Pct
Sub_Saharan -








Distance to: Arm24
3.34659528 Armenian_West
3.46125700 Assyrian_North
3.69655245 Azeri_Jew
3.77771095 Assyrian_West
3.99889985 Assyrian_South
4.72526190 Armenian_East
6.84918243 Kurdish_Jew
7.06763044 Iranian_Jew
7.68395081 Turk_East
7.74907091 Iraqi_Jew
7.96020100 Mandean
8.41510547 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.57521428 Greek_Pontus
8.97932069 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.97063689 Hemshin
10.10338557 Turk_Ahiska


kit

Kit Number: T763751
Name: Arm5

Kit Number: T913034
Name: Arm9

Kit Number: T107534
Name: Arm12

Kit Number: T699065
Name: Arm16

Kit Number: T053436
Name: Arm24

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Aren

Can you PM me the kit?
Or is this Halgurd's father?

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Might be I don't remember. Just had it saved as Erbil without Number.

From Sirjan, Kerman province, Iran
photo

Very non-Aryan haplogroups!
Y: B-M109 (Negroid)
mt: M4a (South Asian)

Gedrosia 28.61 Pct
Siberian 2.41 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.24 Pct
North_European 8.77 Pct
South_Asian 5.23 Pct
East_African 0.12 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.97 Pct
East_Asian 1.6 Pct
Caucasus 33.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.69 Pct

Distance to: Mehdi
4.08600049 Iranian_Fars
5.14629964 Iran_Khorasan
7.86945360 Yazidi
7.95403042 Iranian
8.04838493 Lur_Iran
8.42798908 Kurd_Sorani
9.13365754 Kurd_Adygea
9.28516559 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.86933635 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.88911523 Iraq_Turkmen

Distance to: Mehdi
2.71270103 86.60% Iranian_Fars + 13.40% Yagnobi
2.84491082 77.60% Lur_Iran + 22.40% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.90266395 90.00% Iranian_Fars + 10.00% Pamiri_Rushan
2.91241927 90.00% Iranian_Fars + 10.00% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.95638297 95.20% Iranian_Fars + 4.80% Udmurt
2.96377070 87.80% Iranian_Fars + 12.20% Tajik_Mountain
2.98000459 88.00% Iranian_Fars + 12.00% Tajik_Lowland
2.99954304 78.20% Lur_Iran + 21.80% Pamiri_Ishkashim
3.02102498 77.60% Lur_Iran + 22.40% Pamiri_Rushan
3.04921437 95.40% Iranian_Fars + 4.60% Mari

Target: Mehdi
Distance: 1.8824% / 1.88243661 | R3P
70.8 Lur_Iran
24.1 Pamiri_Shughnan
5.1 Saudi

Is this kind of results normal for that province?

He looks rather Turkish than Iranian for me.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Gecko

He looks rather Turkish than Iranian for me.

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Well, his mongoloid is likely higher than that of Recep Erdogan xD

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, his mongoloid is likely higher than that of Recep Erdogan xD

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That is not saying much. Probably most people here have higher mongoloid than Recep ))

On a second thought, I can't find any proofe that he is Laz/Adjaran. Has it been confirmed?
I know that he implied so before, but he then denied it fervently.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

On a second thought, I can't find any proofe that he is Laz/Adjaran. Has it been confirmed?
I know that he implied so before, but he then denied it fervently.

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He is a Georgian originally from Batumi but born in Rize, his wife is an Arab.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Is this kind of results normal for that province?

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In what sense?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

From Sirjan, Kerman province, Iran
photo

Very non-Aryan haplogroups!
Y: B-M109 (Negroid)
mt: M4a (South Asian)

Gedrosia 28.61 Pct
Siberian 2.41 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.24 Pct
North_European 8.77 Pct
South_Asian 5.23 Pct
East_African 0.12 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.97 Pct
East_Asian 1.6 Pct
Caucasus 33.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.69 Pct

Distance to: Mehdi
4.08600049 Iranian_Fars
5.14629964 Iran_Khorasan
7.86945360 Yazidi
7.95403042 Iranian
8.04838493 Lur_Iran
8.42798908 Kurd_Sorani
9.13365754 Kurd_Adygea
9.28516559 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.86933635 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.88911523 Iraq_Turkmen

Distance to: Mehdi
2.71270103 86.60% Iranian_Fars + 13.40% Yagnobi
2.84491082 77.60% Lur_Iran + 22.40% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.90266395 90.00% Iranian_Fars + 10.00% Pamiri_Rushan
2.91241927 90.00% Iranian_Fars + 10.00% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.95638297 95.20% Iranian_Fars + 4.80% Udmurt
2.96377070 87.80% Iranian_Fars + 12.20% Tajik_Mountain
2.98000459 88.00% Iranian_Fars + 12.00% Tajik_Lowland
2.99954304 78.20% Lur_Iran + 21.80% Pamiri_Ishkashim
3.02102498 77.60% Lur_Iran + 22.40% Pamiri_Rushan
3.04921437 95.40% Iranian_Fars + 4.60% Mari

Target: Mehdi
Distance: 1.8824% / 1.88243661 | R3P
70.8 Lur_Iran
24.1 Pamiri_Shughnan
5.1 Saudi

Is this kind of results normal for that province?

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Karaboğa origin

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

[B]

Is this kind of results normal for that province?

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Yes i have an average for Kerman region:

Distance to: Sirjan
3.92433434 Iran_C_East
4.08600049 Iranian_Fars
4.64284396 Iran_Central
5.14629964 Iran_Khorasan
7.86945360 Yazidi


East Asian could come from the Afshar or Bichaghchi (Arasbaran) tribe of Sirjan

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

In what sense?

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Maybe more Northern or something. But Kyp says he's not unusual.

Was lookig through the matches of another person (trying to help him figure out his ancestry) and found this individual. Presumably from Turkey (just put Ilkay as his name). Y-DNA is listed as O-M95 but I don't see much Xi Jinping in his results

Gedrosia 23.8 Pct
Siberian 1.08 Pct
Northwest_African 0.7 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.36 Pct
North_European 8.41 Pct
South_Asian 1.23 Pct
East_African 0.47 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.78 Pct
East_Asian 0.77 Pct
Caucasus 43.39 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ilkay
2.63058929 Zaza
3.49509657 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.16237913 Kurd_Adygea
4.41013605 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.47466200 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.79033678 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.18558001 Yazidi
6.37370379 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.76334976 Kurd_Sorani
7.08218187 Azerbaijani

Target: Ilkay
Distance: 1.2852% / 1.28522037 | ADC: 0.5x RC
32.9 Zaza
31.3 Udi_Azerbaijan
28.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Ilkay
Distance: 1.4845% / 1.48445981 | ADC: 1x RC
43.3 Talysh_Azerbaijan
36.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
19.8 Zaza

Distance to: Ilkay
1.22315457 13.00% Ossetian_South + 87.00% Zaza
1.35638207 12.40% Abkhazian + 87.60% Zaza
1.37413489 18.40% Georgian_Svan + 81.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.41121894 10.60% Georgian_Svan + 89.40% Zaza
1.47577716 12.00% Kumyks + 88.00% Zaza
1.48009287 21.00% Abkhazian + 79.00% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.48609033 19.00% Georgian_Gurian + 81.00% Kurd_Kurmanji
1.53138747 12.40% Ossetian + 87.60% Zaza
1.56191151 13.20% Adyghe + 86.80% Zaza
1.56312722 19.40% Abkhazian + 80.60% Kurd_Adygea

@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Gecko

@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).

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Black Sea region has a significant amount of C AFAIK. It could rather be related to Tatars rather than direct Mongol footprint though.

Furthermore, 2 O and 1 C individuals had been found in Balkan Turks among 130 samples, if that helps.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Gecko

@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).

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Turkish DNA project on FTDNA has some O+C and even 2 D's, but overall out of the entire nation its probably something like 0.01%

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Gecko

@Leto as far I know(i once made a y-dna map if Turkey lol) there is one person with haplogroup O in Tunceli. Also it seems this haplogroup is existing, even it is very rare, among Anatolian Turks. On the other hand i never saw haplogroup C in Turkey. We need more samples but I carefully claim that this is not of Mongolian origin, it seems they didn’t left any genetic trace in Anatolia(even not Y-Dna).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NKS-3ZaEtQ
Here is C from Samsun

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Black Sea region has a significant amount of C AFAIK. It could rather be related to Tatars rather than direct Mongol footprint though.

Furthermore, 2 O and 1 C individuals had been found in Balkan Turks among 130 samples, if that helps.

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Well yeah, this is Anatolian Turks, non-Turks from Anatolia excluded:

N=304 (Source: TurkishDNA)

https://i.ibb.co/6gs8WVY/Anadolu.png

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And this is Balkan Turks, non-Turks from Balkans excluded:

https://i.ibb.co/wphVX5S/BTY-DNA-2020-Haziran-m.png

Azerbaijan has a couple of O

Thanks guys, i hope you didn’t misunderstood me, i meant with „very rare“ not even 1%. I mostly used Youtube, other portals and this famiythree website for my Y-Dna list, i tried to visit Turkishdna project but then it was not possible, it seems they have sometimes problems with the upkeep of this website. Unfortunately i don’t have „contacts“ or „sources“ like you guys to find more information hahaha. But still i doubt that Mongolians left genetic leftover in Anatolia. Like you said @Kaspias, the haplogroup C is probably of Tatar (and maybe even it could came from Caucasian migrants, dont have Tats or another group there a big amount of this haplogroup?) or Oghuz origin. I tried to make a list or map of all haplogroups since there are definitely some interesting features among Turks, for example why that some regions have visible N and some Q. That could help us to understand the genetic history of Oghuz Turks.