https://youtu.be/t3lgeUSfVSk
https://youtu.be/qS3QLkwblYo
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Bulgarians are a nation and South Slavic ethnic group native to Bulgaria and its neighbouring region, who share a common Bulgarian ancestry, culture, history and language.
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Bulgarians are a nation and South Slavic ethnic group native to Bulgaria and its neighbouring region, who share a common Bulgarian ancestry, culture, history and language.
This Bulgarian average includes Pomaks, Bessarabian Bulgarians, and Gagauz.
https://i.ibb.co/yXZjtkL/IMG-20240204-163205.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/z8C3tXj/IMG-20240204-163059.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/cwZwtgS/IMG-20240204-211415.pngCode:Bulgarian_34,0.1224092,0.1351795,0.024192,-0.0006667,0.0228846,0.0003003,0.0050912,0.0042096,-0.0012949,0.0044975,-0.0012157,-0.0002779,0.0014468,0.0094707,-0.0122658,-0.0033523,0.0058299,-0.0002886,0.0036941,-0.0019152,-0.0054638,0.0001679,0.0035361,-0.0019152,-0.0002747
Slavic,0.136889045,0.124217737,0.080247872,0.077459165,0.041096385,0.031244748,0.009284727,0.01616411,-0.003516357,-0.03007394,-0.005916537,-0.009492153,0.020267842,0.02387931,-0.007974653,0.001510327,0.002723857,-0.001732062,0.001486543,0.003094505,-0.00428204,-0.003941758,0.00965012,-0.005442897,0.000921645
Thracian,0.1203325,0.1591906,0.0068434,-0.0474417,0.0300617,-0.0208531,0.0004523,-0.0017469,0.0107966,0.0388402,0.0026678,0.0079585,-0.0151111,0.0003636,-0.0191279,-0.0079527,0.008561,0.0015903,0.0069152,-0.0076855,-0.00604,0.0042617,-0.0016881,-0.0007715,-0.0033363
Anatolian,0.1109775,0.1514833,-0.0344437,-0.0711138,-0.0047702,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030582,0.0052955,-0.0097622,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538,0.0081492,0.0002957,0.0050697,-0.0037518,-0.0063015,0.0031533,-4.1e-05,0.0019278,0.0011177
Turkic,0.0765143,-0.0884639,-0.0027654,0.0052757,-0.035904,0.0036874,0.0062929,0.0063074,-0.015612,-0.0115011,-0.0168884,-0.0036633,0.001817,-0.0022786,0.0076759,0.0062466,-0.0020139,-0.0002112,0.0013408,-0.0030013,-0.0082631,-0.0032426,-0.003177,-0.0007498,-0.0003193
Romani,0.0379412,-0.1020607,-0.1722183,0.1294702,-0.0729882,0.0672592,-0.0039167,0.0148072,0.0598913,0.037176,-0.0068473,0.0005495,-0.0015113,0.0033027,-0.0101338,-0.0099002,0.0084098,-0.0007178,-0.002933,0.0100048,0.001934,0.0008862,0.0011708,0.0068682,-0.0049095
MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
pre-Slavic,0.115788643,0.155447054,-0.013210334,-0.058939577,0.013143349,-0.022893294,0.002382382,-0.004765177,-0.000258792,0.030021232,0.002857424,0.006665043,-0.012513063,-0.000258648,-0.016561192,-0.007127521,0.008360983,0.000961495,0.006018814,-0.005774845,-0.006167014,0.003723334,-0.000888079,0.000539588,-0.001172929
Found this on Wikipedia:
Except that their Turkic ancestry is from Oghuz, not Bulgars.Quote:
Bulgarians are descended from peoples of vastly different origins and numbers, and are thus the result of a "melting pot" effect. The main ethnic elements which blended in to produce the modern Bulgarian ethnicity are:
Thracians – a native ancient Balkan Indo-European people that left a cultural and genetic legacy. Approx. 55% of Bulgarian autosomal genetic legacy is of Paleo-Balkan and Mediterranean origin and can be attributed to Thracian and other indigenous Balkan population predating Slavs and Bulgars;
Early Slavs – an Indo-European group of tribes that migrated from Eastern Europe into the Balkans in the 6th–7th century CE and imposed their language and culture on the local Thracian, Roman and Greek communities. Approx. 40% of Bulgarian autosomal make-up comes from a northeastern European population that admixed with the native population in 400–1000 CE;
Bulgars – a semi-nomadic tribal federation from Central Asia that settled in the northeast of the Balkans in 7th century CE, federated with the local Slavic and Slavicized population, organised the early medieval Bulgarian statehood and bequeathed their ethnonym to the modern Bulgarian ethnicity, while eventually assimilating into the Slavic population. Approximately 2.3% of Bulgarian genes originate in Central Asia, corresponding to Asian tribes such as the Bulgars, with admixture peaking in the 9th century CE.
I just would speculate that Q-F16045 and N-A9416 are of Oghuz origin, although they are Turkic without doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
I and the Bulgarian from Vratsa match in STRs which points out a common ancestor in the last ~500 years. But the other subclades are in China and they are matching more closely with the Bulgarian in terms of SNP, but not matching through STRs. Neither do I match with the ones except for the Bulgarian from Vratsa. The puzzle remains.
There is a paper on a Proto-Bulgarian inscription found in Serbia, for anyone interested: https://www.academia.edu/113197548/V..._2023_EKZ_M44_
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Originally Posted by axlredneck
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.4253% / 0.02425332
54.8 Slavic
43.4 Thracian
1.0 Turkic
0.8 Romani :eyes
Target: Father
Distance: 1.5268% / 0.01526783
46.2 Anatolian
29.2 Slavic
13.0 Romani
6.2 Bulgarian_34
2.8 Turkic
2.6 pre-Slavic
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.08232693 Slavic
0.08613949 Bulgarian_34
0.13931556 Thracian
0.15585646 pre-Slavic
0.17849384 Anatolian
0.25977423 Turkic
0.38522429 Romani
0.47151877 MAR_EN
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.9297% / 0.05929650
68.4 Slavic
30.8 Thracian
0.8 Romani
Are you implying that these are Oghuz Y-lines or that they aren't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
N-A9416 was found in a medieval Turk from Mugla.
https://i.ibb.co/88yhV0V/IMG-20240205-091519.jpg
Your Y-line is ofcourse enigmatic...
Target: annihilus_v2_scaled
Distance: 2.7634% / 0.02763376 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.6 Anatolian
43.2 Bulgarian_34
12.2 Turkic
Distance to: annihilus_v2_scaled
0.06143369 Bulgarian_34
0.07049669 pre-Slavic
0.07142406 Anatolian
0.08432911 Thracian
0.16129478 Slavic
0.21902101 Turkic
0.35225991 Romani
0.43800968 MAR_EN
In your oppinion are
a) North Macedonians originally the same people as Bulgarians but splintered off and developed their
own identity and nuanced/specific culture.
b) are North Macedonians a historically seperate people with historical seperate identity but are similiar to Bulgarians.
C) North Macedonians a mixture of A & B.
D) North Macedonians a mixture of slavic speaking Bulgarians and Serbs.
I have asked this question here a few times and interestingly people seem to wanna avoid answering it.
Which seems weird because if someone asked are Bosnians originally Serb or Croats or Bosniaks, people are quite happy to give their oppinions and care little bout offending anyone.
But the Bulgarian - North Macedonian question often seems to be avoided.
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 3.7241% / 0.03724087
65.2 Slavic
34.2 Thracian
0.6 Turkic
Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 1.8988% / 0.01898751
56.8 Slavic
31.6 Thracian
11.2 Anatolian
0.4 Turkic
No, they're not the same people.Quote:
Originally Posted by oszkar07
https://i.ibb.co/GdvMbzs/IMG-20240205-160633.jpg
Balkan_IA = IA inhabitants of North Macedonia.
Hellenic_IA = Mycenaeans
Macedonians were all the time identified as Bulgarians. They were brainwashed by Communists.Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Regional differences exist among the French, Italians, Poles etc.
Also, those percentages of Slavic blood in the Balkans are internet pseudoscience.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%281914%29.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ff/cc/93/f...65047c18d3.jpg
Didn't know that N, thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Bulgarian Y-DNA n=1170
E 22%
G 5.5%
H 0.6%
I1 4.1%
I2 22.3%
J1 3.1%
J2a 7.3%
J2b 5%
L 0.4%
N 0.6%
Q 0.5%
R1a 16%
R1b 10.8%
T 1.8%
Any TA Bulgarians who wanna share their G25 coordinates?
Distance to: protos_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
0.02017645 Bulgarian_34
0.05912101 Thracian
0.07314260 pre-Slavic
0.09855294 Anatolian
0.12653990 Slavic
0.25056540 Turkic
0.38172379 Romani
0.44726577 MAR_EN
Target: protos_scaled
Distance: 0.9019% / 0.00901915
43.0 Thracian
28.0 Slavic
15.2 pre-Slavic
9.6 Bulgarian_34
2.6 Anatolian
1.6 Turkic
Are you a full Serb? Why is your Slavic so low?Quote:
Originally Posted by protos
Because I am high paleo-BalkanQuote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Target: djipon_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 0.7591% / 0.00759147
29.6 Slavic
24.8 Bulgarian_34
16.0 Anatolian
15.2 pre-Slavic
12.4 Thracian
1.0 Turkic
0.6 Romani
0.4 MAR_EN
Distance to: djipon_simulated_g25_scaled
0.00858127 Bulgarian_34
0.07198915 Thracian
0.08080354 pre-Slavic
0.10175664 Anatolian
0.11808533 Slavic
0.24174583 Turkic
0.37221705 Romani
0.44566364 MAR_EN
Try removing "pre-Slavic" and "Bulgarian_34", to see what you get. In your case a lot of Slavic gets hidden under "Bulgarian_34" category, but also some Anatolian.Quote:
Originally Posted by djipon
I'd recommend you buy real coordinates from Davidski or IllustrativeDNA.Quote:
Originally Posted by djipon
Already done that(illustrativedna), gonna post all my results tomorrow :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Results with my real G25 coordinates:
Distance to: djipon_scaled
0.02228781 Bulgarian_34
0.08014370 Thracian
0.08911308 pre-Slavic
0.10930588 Anatolian
0.11386974 Slavic
0.24287280 Turkic
0.37362785 Romani
0.45232320 MAR_EN
Target: djipon_scaled
Distance: 2.1869% / 0.02186889
34.4 Slavic
23.2 Anatolian
21.6 Bulgarian_34
15.8 Thracian
3.6 pre-Slavic
1.2 Turkic
0.2 Romani
Use only these coordinates in the source window.Quote:
Originally Posted by djipon
Also, can you share your coordinates? (PM them)Code:Slavic,0.136889045,0.124217737,0.080247872,0.077459165,0.041096385,0.031244748,0.009284727,0.01616411,-0.003516357,-0.03007394,-0.005916537,-0.009492153,0.020267842,0.02387931,-0.007974653,0.001510327,0.002723857,-0.001732062,0.001486543,0.003094505,-0.00428204,-0.003941758,0.00965012,-0.005442897,0.000921645
Thracian,0.1203325,0.1591906,0.0068434,-0.0474417,0.0300617,-0.0208531,0.0004523,-0.0017469,0.0107966,0.0388402,0.0026678,0.0079585,-0.0151111,0.0003636,-0.0191279,-0.0079527,0.008561,0.0015903,0.0069152,-0.0076855,-0.00604,0.0042617,-0.0016881,-0.0007715,-0.0033363
Anatolian,0.1109775,0.1514833,-0.0344437,-0.0711138,-0.0047702,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030582,0.0052955,-0.0097622,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538,0.0081492,0.0002957,0.0050697,-0.0037518,-0.0063015,0.0031533,-4.1e-05,0.0019278,0.0011177
Turkic,0.0765143,-0.0884639,-0.0027654,0.0052757,-0.035904,0.0036874,0.0062929,0.0063074,-0.015612,-0.0115011,-0.0168884,-0.0036633,0.001817,-0.0022786,0.0076759,0.0062466,-0.0020139,-0.0002112,0.0013408,-0.0030013,-0.0082631,-0.0032426,-0.003177,-0.0007498,-0.0003193
Romani,0.0379412,-0.1020607,-0.1722183,0.1294702,-0.0729882,0.0672592,-0.0039167,0.0148072,0.0598913,0.037176,-0.0068473,0.0005495,-0.0015113,0.0033027,-0.0101338,-0.0099002,0.0084098,-0.0007178,-0.002933,0.0100048,0.001934,0.0008862,0.0011708,0.0068682,-0.0049095
MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615
So they got 20% E1b ? How much is that E-V13 and from Thracians or pre-Slavic people ? Albanians have way more for example ..also what clades are those r1b ?Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Dunno, I found it online.Quote:
Originally Posted by DamCz
Distance to: djipon_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
0.08014370 Thracian
0.10930588 Anatolian
0.11386974 Slavic
0.24287280 Turkic
0.37362785 Romani
0.45232320 MAR_EN
Target: djipon_scaled
Distance: 2.1843% / 0.02184287
43.2 Slavic
30.8 Anatolian
24.0 Thracian
1.6 Turkic
0.4 Romani
Here's a Romaniote under Q-L330. He most likely has a Balkan Turk paternal ancestor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
https://i.ibb.co/wLfXsvF/IMG-20240212-181410.jpg
Should I consider these results when I look at illustrativeDNA's ancient mixed mode?Quote:
Originally Posted by djipon
Quote:
Originally Posted by axlredneck
Distance: 2.4716% / 0.02471595
48.4 Slavic
36.8 Thracian
14.8 Anatolian
Adding Illyrians
Distance: 2.1153% / 0.02115339
40.8 Slavic
36.4 Illyrians
22.8 Anatolian
где си родеQuote:
Originally Posted by protos
Two medieval Bulgarians.....
https://i.ibb.co/pRFdGwV/IMG-20240224-191642.jpg
Tek sam sada registrovao ovu poruku...Quote:
Originally Posted by Far_away
Резултати ти су ми били врло познати хехе