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Are ashkenazi jews actually hebrews or just a bunch of central/eastern europeans?
They seem to be mostly South Italians with Hebrew and Central/Eastern European admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indarra
You know where to get the Pallie average by chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson Reed
Maybe 'cause of their Khazarian origins, but not hebrews. Sephardic jews are more hebrews by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson Reed
Palestinians? You won't get a good result modeling them with Samaritans, Calabrians, and Czechs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andullero
Ashkenazi Jews are at most 2-3% Khazarian and most likely less than 1%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indarra
I believe it's something like 40% on average.
They get real mad when you bring up how Palestinians are more native to the land than they are. They repeat the false claim from a book that even Israeli historians call garbage that was destroyed by Norman Finkelstein in the early 80s (I forget the name and author) that the land was without people except Bedouins and that Arabs starting arriving after Zionist Jews made the desert bloom because they wanted better wages, which is just an absurd claim.
The reality is what today is called Israel and Palestine was not devoid of population. The belief that the Romans deported all Jews and the land has been sitting there empty is laughable. Palestinians are predominately Jews who had converted to Christianity and Islam, while Ashkenazi, Sephardic, etc. are descended from Jews living in communities they had formed throughout the known world for trading purposes over centuries and Jews the Romans expelled from cities, such as Jerusalem, because it's in cities where the brains of a political opposition will be found.
Only if you use North Italians instead of South Italians. South Italians make more sense, since Imperial Roman Italy was genetically South Italian-like, not North Italian-like, and Jews mixed with Italians in Imperial Rome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes
The Calabrians are Southern as a mofo, so there's a good chunk of East Med embedded in that component.
Jews is not a regular tribe/nation, both now and when they were chosen Israelite people out of tribes. Regular national measures won't work with them, and yes they're Jews unless they have direct Jewish ancestry defined by mother, nothing else needed.
I'm so tired of seeing the Khazarian bullshit over and over again. A fucking old Gedmatch calculator can easily disprove it. Yet those idiots keep repeating it to this day. There is a great article by Ron Unz about the origins of Jews. He's of Jewish descent himself but starkly dissident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson Reed
They are not central/eastern Europeans geneticaly, although they immigrated and lived in these regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indarra
They are Levantine-Italian mix.
How about this model:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson Reed
cca 35% Samaritan, almost 60% central Italian and few percentage Slavic.
And no Slavic admixture among those in France and Germany, what is logical.
Later they moved from FR and DE to Slavic lands.
https://i.imgur.com/7eBOAYW.png
They have some Slavic admixture but it's about 10% and only present in Eastern European JewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Yes, see my post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriekman
https://i.ibb.co/fFvxKwQ/floorp-9jd7iqvu-Lu.png
This is a better model for Ashkenazi Jews and Europeans. Most of the samples are from the Imperial Roman Age.
Code:Anatolian:Ḫattuša,0.1064245,0.152837,-0.0422375,-0.0686375,-0.0089245,-0.0192435,-0.00188,-0.0061155,-0.0068515,0.022871,0.0043035,0.0018735,-0.0165755,0.0086015,-0.013097,-0.004309,0.0048895,-0.002787,0.0017595,-0.005315,-0.0009355,-0.0005565,-0.0023415,0.0019885,-0.00455
Caucasian,0.1052865,0.13405,-0.0671275,-0.034238,-0.0533945,-0.0029285,0.013043,-0.006346,-0.0766965,-0.033805,0.0006495,0.013413,-0.0260155,-0.000275,0.004886,-0.0207505,0.012843,-0.000507,-0.010496,0.019134,0.017906,-0.0011745,-0.0043755,-0.0147005,-0.0044905
Balkan:Moesian,0.121791,0.1590993,0.0131993,-0.0301467,0.0321083,-0.0135727,0.00235,0.0030767,0.003886,0.0335313,0.0061707,0.0105907,-0.0143213,-0.0014223,-0.02072,-0.0010163,0.0149073,0.0019847,0.008799,-0.0065863,-0.0112303,0.008079,-0.00341,0.003414,-0.0011577
Roman:Rome,0.1088434,0.1515678,-0.0004242,-0.0366605,0.019388,-0.0162105,-0.0015569,-0.0043556,0.0053178,0.0234401,0.0005072,0.004496,-0.0079534,-0.0013245,-0.0066334,-0.0028674,0.002298,-0.0005541,0.0020742,-0.0000311,-0.0012011,0.0005101,0.0034815,-0.0015364,-0.0007185
Roman:Picenum,0.1104085,0.1500445,0.0028282,-0.0457045,0.0199268,-0.0171518,0.0000588,-0.002423,0.0099192,0.0283832,0.0051558,0.0056952,-0.0081022,-0.0020642,-0.006311,-0.004707,0.0022492,-0.0002215,0.0046822,-0.0014068,-0.0035565,0.003246,-0.0032045,-0.002952,-0.0039815
Mesopotamian:Dinkha-Tepe,0.0902048,0.1409048,-0.0628848,-0.0776008,-0.027005,-0.0253092,0.0018212,-0.0072692,-0.010584,0.0013668,0.0073888,-0.003709,0.0090312,-0.000757,-0.0025785,0.0126955,-0.0007825,0.0027238,0.003771,-0.0038455,0.0045858,0.002195,-0.0052995,-0.0013858,0.0025445
Canaanite,0.0840665,0.148393,-0.0634209,-0.1014829,-0.0118078,-0.0396034,-0.0043807,-0.0094099,0.013829,0.0086646,0.0101956,-0.0108203,0.0216497,0.0046582,-0.0096671,0.0086647,-0.0030674,0.0020017,0.002749,0.0064067,0.0042414,0.0053394,-0.0035185,-0.0008072,-0.0001107
Celtic:Insular:Roscommon,0.1265792,0.1315286,0.0600402,0.0508447,0.0368238,0.0178875,0.000705,0.0048618,0.0043937,0.0011438,-0.0062604,0.0071419,-0.0153941,-0.0164436,0.0252954,0.007832,-0.0080209,0.0015596,0.0018855,0.0036828,0.0051288,0.0038034,0.0013388,0.0119334,-0.0005368
Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul,0.1277096,0.1367916,0.057624,0.0362406,0.0469625,0.0108209,0.005499,0.0028846,0.0085288,0.0121734,-0.0034263,0.0071935,-0.0125322,-0.008794,0.0130562,-0.0031025,-0.0104828,0.0017104,0.0024637,-0.0009129,0.0050038,0.0049585,-0.0013803,-0.0012772,-0.0015806
Germanic:Öland,0.1255306,0.1260707,0.0751547,0.0613239,0.0448874,0.0220723,0.0060429,0.0101864,0.005376,-0.0036186,-0.0041293,-0.000942,-0.0037801,0.0015729,0.0162863,0.0066106,-0.0052527,0.0024253,0.0064287,0.0067174,0.0068091,0.0015016,0.0011444,0.0097604,-0.0000686
Germanic:Nordland,0.133173,0.127957,0.073916,0.063308,0.046162,0.019801,0.003055,0.003,0.003068,-0.009112,-0.014615,0.002997,-0.010258,-0.009634,0.027144,0.007425,-0.002477,0.001774,0.003771,0.01088,0.007487,0.005564,0.000246,0.010122,-0.005149
Germanic:Zealand,0.127482,0.131003,0.066185,0.066538,0.042931,0.0214745,0.0027025,0.0129225,0.00859,-0.010934,-0.003816,0.0080175,-0.0043855,-0.004542,0.0217835,0.007027,-0.0131685,0.008488,0.005091,0.0075035,0.0086725,0.007172,0.001171,0.013315,0.0015565
Balto-Slavic:Baltic,0.1305171,0.1268283,0.1001044,0.1110769,0.048385,0.0399124,0.0145449,0.0188197,-0.000568,-0.0488596,-0.0003249,-0.0189164,0.0329201,0.0433512,-0.0168293,0.0013113,0.0021294,-0.0014498,-0.0003212,0.0077817,-0.0024957,-0.0051934,0.0092299,-0.0223726,0.0025412
Balto-Slavic:Slavic,0.135449,0.128972,0.080704,0.063954,0.034776,0.034025,0.006815,0.007615,0.009613,-0.02041,-0.001461,-0.005245,0.010852,0.026561,-0.014658,-0.002254,0.002347,0.001267,0.01081,-0.001751,0.001622,-0.002844,0.009613,-0.008314,0.005389
Turkic:Oghuz,0.070001,-0.178733,0.052797,0.007106,-0.0438545,-0.0110165,0.0047,0.0119995,-0.010942,-0.0073805,-0.0178625,-0.002173,0.00171,-0.0099775,0.0026465,0.002254,-0.0065845,0.002597,0.011753,0.0106925,-0.020713,-0.000804,-0.0109075,-0.0024705,-0.001497
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson Reed
For unveiling the origin you should only use Ashkenazi_Germany, because they are the most pure Ashkenazis. Historical records tell that they mostly came from Italy but also somewhat from France to the Rhineland where they ultimately formed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes
You can model them roughly as 50% Northern Italy and 50% Levant, which is preferred by many, mostly Jewish, scholars. The thing is that this is somewhat arbitrary and the modelling that gives the highest Levant proportion. Additionally, such a model is ahistorical as there were no big old Jewish communities known in Northern Italy where Jews could have picked up all non-Levant DNA. But they were in Southern Italy. And if you use Southern Italy instead of Northern Italy you get roughly 90% Southern Italy and 10% Levant. In the somewhat newer paper on the Erfurt Jews there is even carefully stated that such a modelling would fit a little bit better than the mentioned hitherto 50:50 model. If you model with Greek and (pre-Turkic) Anatolians you get even less Levant, ofc.
I guess that the Ashkenazi Jews in ancestry were 90+% converts from the Eastern half of the Roman Empire including Southern Italy and that they were genetically essentially identical to the Christians in the Roman Empire per abt. 300 AD. Both groups initially fed from the same source. First you had conversions in huge numbers to Judaism in the Roman Empire and later you had mass conversions from Judaism to Christianity. But in contrast to Christians Jews became "frozen" at abt. 300 AD. As for Ashkenazi Jews they might well be 90% converts from Southern Italy in ancestry.
Just anectodally I add a pic of the pagan Pompeii banker (sic!) Lucius Caecilius Iucundus from 79 AD. I consider him looking textbook Ashkenazi. Such folks may later have become Jewish and even later, when Jews mass converted to Christianity, have remained Jewish. Christianity was a kind of Jewish social-revolutionary movement that offered forgiveness and a re-start. It attracted have-nots and prohibited taking interest in case of money lending. It may not have been that attractive to well established Jews.
https://i.imgur.com/he6gBdy.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Caecilius_Iucundus
Interestingly I had two Calabrians appear upstream of my results in Yfull, they must not have been long ago, I had seen them but at the time I was on other subjects. Downstream I have Ashkenazi and now upstream there are two Calabrese from Regio upstream, I have no idea what religion they are or how to interpret my situation right there in the middle next to a Dutchman.
It also happens to me that as a Spaniard, some experts on the subject of Central or Northern Europe do not consider or it seems that they do not want to accept or it is impossible or taboo for them any relation of Spain with the rest of Europe, especially Central or Northern Europe and even France, in relation to the fact that my haplogroup in particular could have been brought to Spain by someone from another European country, so as a Spaniard my haplogroup must be Phoenician or Sephardic and this is proving to be a problem for my research. In fact, In fact, in any given situation, I don't see any other Spanish flag except mine and my father's.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7452/
Distance to: CDG_scaledQuote:
Originally Posted by Demirkazık
0.02198223 Celtic:Insular:Roscommon
0.03214916 Germanic:Zealand
0.03374496 Germanic:Öland
0.03474729 Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul
0.03552748 Germanic:Nordland
0.07483820 Balto-Slavic:Slavic
0.12276205 Balkan:Moesian
0.12718871 Roman:Rome
0.13253615 Balto-Slavic:Baltic
0.13311164 Roman:Picenum
0.18181039 Anatolian:Ḫattuša
0.20745303 Mesopotamian:Dinkha-Tepe
0.21397480 Caucasian
0.22665012 Canaanite
0.33838390 Turkic:Oghuz
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.9079% / 0.01907933
62.4 Celtic:Insular:Roscommon
19.2 Germanic:Zealand
9.0 Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul
6.4 Balto-Slavic:Slavic
3.0 Balkan:Moesian
Good modelQuote:
Originally Posted by Demirkazık
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5172% / 0.02517214
48.8 Balto-Slavic
34.6 Balkan
11.8 Anatolian
2.8 Celtic
2.0 Turkic
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5172% / 0.02517214
34.6 Balkan:Moesian
27.0 Balto-Slavic:Slavic
21.8 Balto-Slavic:Baltic
11.8 Anatolian:Ḫattuša
2.8 Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul
2.0 Turkic:Oghuz
If too northern and distant Baltic removed.
Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.6653% / 0.02665287
59.0 Balto-Slavic
27.8 Balkan
8.6 Anatolian
2.0 Roman
1.4 Turkic
1.2 Caucasian
I consider some Jewish groups as very strange, like Ethiopian Jews who are Black, Bukharian Jews from Uzebekistan, there are even Jews in India and China. All of them have settled Israel and live there now. I don't know how these groups were created and whether they are related to other Jews (Ashkenazi and Sephardi). I guess they are not.
There are also fake Jews in Israel who are actually Russians or Ukrainians.
We obtain only two results, for autosomal DNA it will be impossible for us to obtain results comparable to those obtained by the Ashkenazis, but if hypothetically we had an Ashkenazi ancestor, perhaps even today would carry something common to said population, my father is in the distance; although it is closer than his children in two cities that he highlighted.
Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.6453% / 0.03645311
62.0 Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul
38.0 Roman:Picenum
Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.05826489 Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul
0.07597239 Roman:Rome
0.07727461 Balkan:Moesian
0.07768141 Roman:Picenum
0.07915538 Celtic:Insular:Roscommon
0.09614739 Germanic:Öland
0.09886202 Germanic:Nordland
0.09976739 Germanic:Zealand
0.12265704 Balto-Slavic:Slavic
0.13473768 Anatolian:Ḫattuša
0.16542619 Mesopotamian:Dinkha-Tepe
0.17613890 Canaanite
0.18402432 Balto-Slavic:Baltic
0.19679153 Caucasian
0.34438495 Turkic:Oghuz
Distance to: Father_scaled
0.06231128 Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul
0.07493087 Balkan:Moesian
0.07651081 Roman:Rome
0.07839541 Roman:Picenum
0.08272428 Celtic:Insular:Roscommon
0.09635306 Germanic:Öland
0.10160629 Germanic:Nordland
0.10205647 Germanic:Zealand
0.11952487 Balto-Slavic:Slavic
0.13557863 Anatolian:Ḫattuša
0.16597306 Mesopotamian:Dinkha-Tepe
0.17658818 Canaanite
0.18002389 Balto-Slavic:Baltic
0.19965618 Caucasian
0.34571616 Turkic:Oghuz
Distance to: brother_scaled
0.06595044 Celtic:Continental:Faux-Vesigneul
0.07251027 Balkan:Moesian
0.07296445 Roman:Rome
0.07381655 Roman:Picenum
0.08822255 Celtic:Insular:Roscommon
0.10312134 Germanic:Öland
0.10762551 Germanic:Nordland
0.10775125 Germanic:Zealand
0.12606540 Balto-Slavic:Slavic
0.13170329 Anatolian:Ḫattuša
0.16269418 Mesopotamian:Dinkha-Tepe
0.17180171 Canaanite
0.18649484 Balto-Slavic:Baltic
0.19948788 Caucasian
0.34968609 Turkic:Oghuz
Target: scaled
Distance: 2.0385% / 0.02038456
41.6 Balkan:Moesian
34.8 Balto-Slavic:Baltic
12.2 Anatolian:Ḫattuša
9.6 Germanic:Nordland
1.8 Turkic:Oghuz
They sometimes do have Turkic-like ancestry, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Very niceQuote:
Originally Posted by Demirkazık
Target: FarAway_scaled
Distance: 2.3374% / 0.02337383
48.2 Balkan:Moesian
40.0 Balto-Slavic:Slavic
7.6 Caucasian
4.2 Germanic:Nordland
This Is a nice calculator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demirkazık
Target: Sovanz_scaled
Distance: 2.0558% / 0.02055849
38.6 Mexican_Amerindian
29.8 Roman
27.6 Celtic
4.0 Western_African
I had this friend many years ago who married an ethnically Jewish man who took a DNA test and was like, less than 2% Middle Eastern... and the Middle Eastern got tagged as one part Lebanese, one part Iranian. I thought that was really funny. Dude was just Scots-Irish and Slavic for all intents and purposes.
Most Jews are just white people.
FixedQuote:
Originally Posted by Sovanz
Target: Sovanz_scaled
Distance: 2.1015% / 0.02101452
38.6 Mexican_Amerindian
30.2 Roman
27.4 Celtic
3.8 West_African
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demirkazık
It's a good model:
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.2433% / 0.02243332
50.8 Roman
49.2 Celtic
Btw, you should've added this for Iberia, it doesn't make a lot of difference for me, but it's going to be very good for them maybe even for the Jews:Quote:
Originally Posted by Demirkazık
Code:Berber:North_Africa,-0.069432,0.146236,0.003394,-0.073644,0.033237,-0.04016,-0.031256,0.006461,0.091627,0.033349,0.010555,-0.012139,0.02334,-0.01679,0.022122,-0.017104,0.001434,-0.025718,-0.053924,0.006878,-0.020464,-0.045381,0.023417,-0.015062,0.014609
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.2207% / 0.02220747
49.6 Celtic
47.0 Roman
1.8 Balkan
1.6 Berber
Well if that dude was Scots-Irish and Slavic then obviously he was not ethnically Jewish, contrary to what you claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by tropicalslavic
Most Jews are a mixture of Middle Eastern and Southern European with minor Slavic admixture as this study shows:
https://journals.plos.org/plosgeneti...l.pgen.1006644
https://i.imgur.com/pJPd6EX.png
There is the Eurogenes Jtest
Father (FTDNA)
SOUTH_BALTIC 8.66 Pct
EAST_EURO 5.82 Pct
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 15.42 Pct
ATLANTIC 24.83 Pct
WEST_MED 23.57 Pct
ASHKENAZI 7.84 Pct (23andMe ASHKENAZI 7 Pct)
EAST_MED 8.34 Pct
WEST_ASIAN -
MIDDLE_EASTERN 2.84 Pct
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.38 Pct
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 2.29 Pct
Mine (FTDNA)
SOUTH_BALTIC 6.35 Pct
EAST_EURO 3.89 Pct
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 18.06 Pct
ATLANTIC 26.85 Pct
WEST_MED 24.85 Pct
ASHKENAZI 5.05 Pct
EAST_MED 5.82 Pct
WEST_ASIAN 3.61 Pct
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.4 Pct
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 1.54 Pct
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.26 Pct
WEST_AFRICAN 0.33 Pct
Jtest Average Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1391421490
ASHKENAZI For Spain is 5.27
As my father according to company gets 7 or 7.84 his result in the table of values by countries that also have 7 or approx. are Morocco, Mozabite, Southern Italy and Tuscan with so 7, but it turns out that my father 23 and I give him a full Italian ancestor from several centuries ago in Y full downstream I have askenazis, upstream have appeared two Calabrian and there right where we do not see more Spanish flags that are the 2 ours that is as if it were one.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...5/Italian.jpeg
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...abriaYfull.png
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7452/
Yes, but so were Imperial Romans, and that's where Ashkenazi Jews got their Southern European component from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
They picked up the European DNA in Imperial Rome. Imperial Roman DNA is essentially South Italian, not Central Italian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
5% in Western Ashkenazim, 15% in Eastern Ashkenazim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriekman
I wonder where Eastern Ashkenazim get their extra Slavic. Erfurt DNA makes me doubt it's from Cossack rapists, which is the traditional Jewish story about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
As for the Erfurt Jews it was for sure mostly Slavic from inside the HRE. As for Bohemia I read somewhere that there was recorded more than once that early Jews took indigenous Slavic wifes. The same could be true for Silesia and other parts of Germany at that time. In the Middle Ages the German society was partly pretty "racist" and in the Ostsiedlung territories you for quite a while could just become member of the guild of various crafts if you proved that all your four grandparents were German. Interestingly, that was performed also in HRE states that were ruled by indigenous Slavic dynasties like in Mecklenburg and Pomerania. It was connected to the self-governance of cities that regularly were political entities of ethnic Germans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson Reed
Even in deepest Poland, in the (ethnic German) city of Krakau/Kraków the first decades Poles were not allowed to become citizens and the Polish king had agreed to that city constitution. The official language of the city of Krakau was German for centuries. At about the end of the Middle Ages all bekame Polonised.
Now, what I want to say is that in such an environment where Slave were blocked off, for a Slav a connection to a Jew could appear advantagous, however, no disadvantage. The nowadays often pitied position of Jews in Germany in the Middle Ages, that meant to be dealt with as an exterritorial, had not just disadvantages but also advantages. Jews were exempted from common state measures on a lower level and enjoyed some kind of immunity. On the other hand they were "owned" by the German Emperor that had the right to take money for their right to at all reside in the HRE (letter of protection). This right was later sold abd ceeded to the state entities directly below the Emperor. Those Jews that did not meet the high requirements had to leave the HRE and did since centuries end up in Poland-Lithuania, Germany's Jew dump. However, the Jews that were established and made it in the HRE were whealthy, far whealthier than the average German. So marrying a Jew could improve the position of an indigenous Slavic woman in the HRE, not just factually but even legally.
The Erfurt Jews have provided new insights.
Btw. Davidski (= David Wesolowski = Eurogenes = an ethnic Pole in Australia) commented of the Erfurt Jew paper and asked why the authors used Russian as a proxy for modelling the Slavic proportion when it was obvious that the Slavic did not hail from Russians. He stated that they did it as it fitted better due to some very small "Eastern" or East Asian contributions in these Jews. Some trace contributions by Khazars to Ashkenazi Jews are thus plausible.
Precautionary: This doesn't question the Central European source of the Slavic contribution in Erfurt Jews as their Slavic proportions were very heterogeneous and thus recent.
What do you mean by Imperial Romans? People on Italian peninsula? Why and how did Italians become more Northern European since the fall of Roman Empire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson Reed
Wasn't northern Italy invaded and conquered by northern barbarians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
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I thought that we already explained this in 2022 but you keep repeating false information. The relevant fragment from the city constitution says this:Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
https://www.radiokrakow.pl/aktualnos...kowa-z-1257-r/
"These voyts also promised to us [to our Royal Majesty] that they will not turn into their co-burghers [of Cracow] any of our serfs, any of Church's serfs, or anybody's serfs, and also any free Poles who have up to this point lived in a village - thanks to which our farms will not become depopulated, and farms owned by bishops, canons, or other persons will also not become depopulated."
So this is not true that Poles were not allowed to settle in Krakow. Only peasants (villagers) were not allowed to do so, and of course not all Poles were villagers. Also as you can see the motive for this law was not "anti-Slavic racism", but the concern that farms would become depopulated if peasants were allowed to move to the nearby city.
And as for when did Cracow become Polonised - already in 1312 every citizen who could not pronounce "soczewica, koło, miele, młyn" was killed.
Another thing is that the city of Cracow expanded and absorbed some villages into its suburbs, so some Polish villagers were absorbed anyway.
Can you provide sources for this claim and also can you prove that this law was universally applied in all cities rather than just in some cities? We discussed the "Wendish paragraph" (anti-Slaviic laws) on Polish history forum but I don't remember it being universally applied everywhere:Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
https://www-historycy-org.translate....en&_x_tr_hl=pl
I have read about the "Wendish paragraph" in several sources, but I don't remember any of these sources claiming what you claim.
And of course the "Wendish paragraph" is just a colloquial term for all kinds of anti-Slavic laws, not a name of some specific law. As far as I know there was no one, universally applied everywhere, anti-Slavic law. There were just various discriminatory laws in various cities (but not in all cities).
Depends of your Model
Both Rome_Imperial + Levant IA + N/NE Euro and Italy_IA + Levant IA + N/NE Euro seens work, but in the first one Aj are abt 30%-20% Levantine, while in second they can be up to 50%, the right is probably around 30 - 40%, when the first Jews started migrating to Italy and Greece, the Greco-Romans werent that cosmopolite/MENA-admixed, unlike during Roman Empire Era.
And bcs Jews are a very endogamic people, they could conservate a big part of their Levantine DNA even much time later.
Model 1: Using Roman_Imperial
Target: Ashkenazi_Jewish:Ashkenazi
Distance: 1.0366% / 0.01036603
56.0 Roman*Italy*(20*BC–AD*600)
26.2 Roman*Levant*(BC*50–AD*700)
8.6 Slavic*(AD*540–1100)
7.0 Germanic*(AD*100–630)
2.2 Rouran*Khaganate*(AD*330–550)
Model 2: Using Pre-Roman Italy
Target: Ashkenazi_Jewish:Ashkenazi
Distance: 0.8896% / 0.00889646
57.2 Roman*Levant*(BC*50–AD*700)
22.2 Italic*and*Etruscan*(900–200*BC)
9.6 Slavic*(AD*540–1100)
9.0 Germanic*(AD*100–630)
2.0 Rouran*Khaganate*(AD*330–550)
*Using samples from IllustrativeDNA-Like Ancient calculator (Ivorix TheCelt), credits to him.
Rome_Imperial is too heterogenous population to use it as one average. This population includes individuals who are 100% MENA.
Distance: 2.5940% / 0.02594017
41.8 Celtic
24.8 Balto-Slavic
19.0 Canaanite
14.2 Germanic
0.2 Anatolian