4 Charts of Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components of Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic Groups/Subdivisions

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These are 4 In-depth Charts of Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with various Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions (ie. Germanic, Slavic, Italic/Romance, Celtic, Baltic, Graeco-Albanian/Balkanic, Armenian, Iranian, Indo-Aryan, etc.) across various Indo-European and Non-Indo-European speaking populations in Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, Siberia, and the Americas, in comparison to various Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions, with all these charts coming from the same video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJaTRFojJg of “The History of Indo-European Peoples, Languages and Ancestry from 5000 BC to 2025 AD” that cites 33 Academic articles published on Population Genetics, :):p:ranger🧬!

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Here are two In-Depth Charts of the same Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with various Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions (ie. Germanic, Slavic, Italic/Romance, Celtic, Baltic, Graeco-Albanian/Balkanic, Armenian, Iranian, Indo-Aryan, etc.), in comparison to various Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions in 18 Cities across Europe, West Asia, and Central Asia over the past 2600-5600 years, with both of these charts coming from the same video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJaTRFojJg of “The History of Indo-European Peoples, Languages and Ancestry from 5000 BC to 2025 AD” that cites 33 Academic articles published on Population Genetics, :):p:ranger🧬!

Source: some guy, with dramatic music

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Originally Posted by J. Ketch

Source: some guy, with dramatic music

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The Autosomal DNA Ancestry Component proportions in his Charts seem very realistic and he cites these 33 Academic Articles on Population Genetics:

Stable population structure in Europe since the Iron Age, despite high mobility

The genetic origin of the Indo-Europeans

The genomic history of southeastern Europe

Early contact between late farming and pastoralist societies in southeastern Europe

Ancient human genome-wide data from a 3000-year interval in the Caucasus corresponds with eco-geographic regions

The rise and transformation of Bronze Age pastoralists in the Caucasus

Genetic ancestry changes in Stone to Bronze Age transition in the East European plain

Patrilocality and hunter-gatherer-related ancestry of populations in East-Central Europe during the Middle Bronze Age

Genomes from Verteba cave suggest diversity within the Trypillians in Ukraine

Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia, Northern Levant, and Southern Caucasus

Ancient DNA reveals the origins of the Albanians

A Genetic History of the Balkans from Roman Frontier to Slavic Migrations

The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool

The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2000-year archeogenomic time transect

Genetic history of East-Central Europe in the first millennium CE

North Pontic crossroads: Mobility in Ukraine from the Bronze Age to the early modern period

Evidence for dynastic succession among early Celtic elites in Central Europe

Large-scale migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age

Insular Celtic population structure and genomic footprints of migration

Origin and mobility of Iron Age Gaulish groups in present-day France revealed through archaeogenomics

The genetic history of France

The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years

The Arrival of Siberian Ancestry Connecting the Eastern Baltic to Uralic Speakers further East

Genetic admixture and language shift in the medieval Volga-Oka interfluve

The formation of human populations in South
and Central Asia

An Ancient Harappan Genome Lacks Ancestry
from Steppe Pastoralists or Iranian Farmers

Shifts in the Genetic Landscape of the Western
Eurasian Steppe Associated with the Beginning
and End of the Scythian Dominance

A Dynamic 6,000-Year Genetic History of
Eurasia's Eastern Steppe

137 ancient human genomes from across the
Eurasian steps

Triangulation supports agricultural spread of
the Transeurasian languages

The genetic origin of Huns, Avars, and
conquering Hungarians

Ancient genomes reveal origin and rapid trans-
Eurasian migration of 7th century Avar elites

Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe

So even if his Music choices are a bit Cringe/over the top, you cannot accuse him of making these numbers up as he goes to great effort to cite his Academic sources and all of his Autosomal DNA Ancestry Component Charts seem very reasonable, :):p:thumb001:!

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Originally Posted by King Lear

The Autosomal DNA Ancestry Component proportions in his Charts seem very realistic and he cites these 33 Academic Articles on Population Genetics:

Stable population structure in Europe since the Iron Age, despite high mobility

The genetic origin of the Indo-Europeans

The genomic history of southeastern Europe

Early contact between late farming and pastoralist societies in southeastern Europe

Ancient human genome-wide data from a 3000-year interval in the Caucasus corresponds with eco-geographic regions

The rise and transformation of Bronze Age pastoralists in the Caucasus

Genetic ancestry changes in Stone to Bronze Age transition in the East European plain

Patrilocality and hunter-gatherer-related ancestry of populations in East-Central Europe during the Middle Bronze Age

Genomes from Verteba cave suggest diversity within the Trypillians in Ukraine

Genomic History of Neolithic to Bronze Age Anatolia, Northern Levant, and Southern Caucasus

Ancient DNA reveals the origins of the Albanians

A Genetic History of the Balkans from Roman Frontier to Slavic Migrations

The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool

The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2000-year archeogenomic time transect

Genetic history of East-Central Europe in the first millennium CE

North Pontic crossroads: Mobility in Ukraine from the Bronze Age to the early modern period

Evidence for dynastic succession among early Celtic elites in Central Europe

Large-scale migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age

Insular Celtic population structure and genomic footprints of migration

Origin and mobility of Iron Age Gaulish groups in present-day France revealed through archaeogenomics

The genetic history of France

The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years

The Arrival of Siberian Ancestry Connecting the Eastern Baltic to Uralic Speakers further East

Genetic admixture and language shift in the medieval Volga-Oka interfluve

The formation of human populations in South
and Central Asia

An Ancient Harappan Genome Lacks Ancestry
from Steppe Pastoralists or Iranian Farmers

Shifts in the Genetic Landscape of the Western
Eurasian Steppe Associated with the Beginning
and End of the Scythian Dominance

A Dynamic 6,000-Year Genetic History of
Eurasia's Eastern Steppe

137 ancient human genomes from across the
Eurasian steps

Triangulation supports agricultural spread of
the Transeurasian languages

The genetic origin of Huns, Avars, and
conquering Hungarians

Ancient genomes reveal origin and rapid trans-
Eurasian migration of 7th century Avar elites

Ancient Fennoscandian genomes reveal origin and spread of Siberian ancestry in Europe

So even if his Music choices are a bit Cringe/over the top, you cannot accuse him of making these numbers up as he goes to great effort to cite his Academic sources and all of his Autosomal DNA Ancestry Component Charts seem very reasonable, :):p:thumb001:!

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Well, I appreciate that he listed a bunch of studies. To what extent the graphics are based on them is questionable however.

Great charts, but create them in higher resolution. This is too small.

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Well, I appreciate that he listed a bunch of studies. To what extent the graphics are based on them is questionable however.

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The Charts seem very similar to the results of those Studies, as I know that the Studies on the Anglo-Saxon Migration (The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool) and the Slavic Settlement of the Balkans (A Genetic History of the Balkans from Roman Frontier to Slavic Migrations), have Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts that are very similar to the ones he made for those regions as I have read those articles before, and I skimmed through most of the other ones he cited, and the Results of those studies seem to line up very closely with his Charts, so I would like to know what aspects of the Charts you disagree with out of pure curiosity, :):p:confused:?

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Originally Posted by King Lear

The Charts seem very similar to the results of those Studies, as I know that the Studies on the Anglo-Saxon Migration (The Anglo-Saxon migration and the formation of the early English gene pool) and the Slavic Settlement of the Balkans (A Genetic History of the Balkans from Roman Frontier to Slavic Migrations), have Autosomal DNA Ancestry Charts that are very similar to the ones he made for those regions as I have read those articles before, and I skimmed through most of the other ones he cited, and the Results of those studies seem to line up very closely with his Charts, so I would like to know what aspects of the Charts you disagree with out of pure curiosity, :):p:confused:?

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The labelling and results don't align with those studies so far as I can see, in particular the Anglo-Saxon migration study which I know well. Many of the populations referred to are not in those studies at all, and the use of cities is just odd. It's all over the place.

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Originally Posted by J. Ketch

The labelling and results don't align with those studies so far as I can see, in particular the Anglo-Saxon migration study which I know well. Many of the populations referred to are not in those studies at all, and the use of cities is just odd. It's all over the place.

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His charts seem perfectly in line with the Anglo-Saxon migration study, as they both show English people being 45-60% Germanic, with the remaining 40-55% being mostly Insular Celtic (Celtic plus Britain South Bronze Age) with some Gallo-Roman/French influence, almost all of the Studies deal with the same populations, and I think showing the Genetic transformation of Major Cities in Europe, West Asia, and Central Asia over the past 2600-5600 years is really cool, :):p::thumb001:!

I decided to make this handy list that shows each of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components in the Charts I posted paired with their dominant Subrace/Phenotype based on the Eickstedt/Schwidetzky/Knussmann Racial classification system, Enjoy, :):p:thumb001::ranger!

Proto-Slavic=East Europid
Proto-Baltic=East Europid
Proto-Germanic=Teuto Nordid and Dalo Nordid
Proto-Celtic=Alpinid
Proto-Italic=Gracile Mediterranid
Early Graeco-Albanian=Dinarid
Proto-Armenian=Armenid
Proto-Iranian=Iranid
Proto-Indo-Aryan=North Indid
Tocharian=Turanid
Pre-Greek Anatolian=Armenid
Andronovo=East Nordid
Pre-Iranian Southern Central Asia=Iranid
Baltic Bronze Age=East Europid
Pomeranian=Alpinid
Ireland and Brittany Bronze Age=Atlanto Mediterranid and Unreduced Cromagnid
Britain South Bronze Age=Atlanto Mediterranid
France North Bronze Age=Alpinid
France South Bronze Age=Alpinid
Pyrenees Bronze Age=Atlanto Mediterranid
Iberia Bronze Age=Gracile Mediterranid
Paleo-Sardinian=Gracile Mediterranid and Unreduced Cromagnid
Pre-Graeco-Albanian Greece=Gracile Mediterranid
Proto-Kamas-Selkup=Sibirid
Proto-Ugric=Sibirid
Paleo-Laplandic=Lappid
Pre-Baltic Finnic Archangelsk=Lappid
Proto-Permic=Lappid
Proto-Volga Finnic=Lappid
Proto-Finno-Saamic=Lappid
Baikal Bronze Age=Sibirid
Proto-Mongolic=Tungid
Proto-Turkic=Tungid
Tibetan=South Mongolid
BMAC=Iranid
Pre-Iranian Zagros=Iranid
Pre-Indo-Iranian Hindu Kush=Indomelenid and Gracile Indid
Dravidian=Indomelenid and Gracile Indid
Pre-Indo-Aryan Himalayas=Veddid and South Mongolid
Austroasiatic Bengal=Indomelenid and Veddid
Pre-Sarmatian Circassian=Armenid
Pre-Sarmatian Nakh=Armenid
Dagestanian=Armenid
Urartian=Armenid
Pre-Iranian Azerbaijan=Armenid
Roman Middle Eastern=Arabid and Armenid
Roman Middle Eastern and North African=Arabid and Berberid
Sub-Saharan African=Negrid
Native American=Indianid (various Mongolid Subraces of the Americas)
Guanche=Berberid

What do you guys think of my handy list that pairs each of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components in the Charts with their dominant Subrace/Phenotype based on the Eickstedt/Schwidetzky/Knussmann Racial classification system, :ranger:confused:?

Clearly, you haven’t read I. Schwidetzky.

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Clearly, you haven’t read I. Schwidetzky.

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Where do I contradict Schwidetzky, I am saying that the Proto-Slavs were Osteuropid/East Europid, which is a stabilized mixture of East Nordid and Lappid, and that during the Slavic migrations they mixed with Teuto Nordid and Dalo Nordid Germanic people in Central Europe, Dinarid Greaco-Albanian people (Illyrians, Dacians, Thracians, and Greeks) in the Balkans, and both Osteuropid/East Europid Baltic people and Lappid Uralic people in Northern Russia, all of which is shown in Schwidetzky’s Map you posted, :ranger:confused::confused3:?

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Originally Posted by King Lear

Where do I contradict Schwidetzky, I am saying that the Proto-Slavs were Osteuropid/East Europid, which is a stabilized mixture of East Nordid and Lappid, and that during the Slavic migrations they mixed with Teuto Nordid and Dalo Nordid Germanic people in Central Europe, Dinarid Greaco-Albanian people (Illyrians, Dacians, Thracians, and Greeks) in the Balkans, and both Osteuropid/East Europid Baltic people and Lappid Uralic people in Northern Russia, all of which is shown in Schwidetzky’s Map you posted, :ranger:confused::confused3:?

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Originally Posted by King Lear

I decided to make this handy list that shows each of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components in the Charts I posted paired with their dominant Subrace/Phenotype based on the Eickstedt/Schwidetzky/Knussmann Racial classification system, Enjoy, :):p:thumb001::ranger!

Proto-Slavic=East Europid
Proto-Baltic=East Europid

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Don’t embarrass yourself anymore.

If you had read Schwidetzky, Czekanowski, Niederle or Coon, you wouldn’t be saying such nonsense.”


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„Für die Urslawen vor der Wanderungszeit muß danach ein nordisch–osteuropides Gemenge als kennzeichnend angesehen werden. Dabei kann der nordische Bestandteil als indogermanischen Ursprungs gelten.”


Ilse Schwidetzky, Rassenkunde der Altslawen.



“For the Proto-Slavs before the migration period, a Nordic–Osteuropid mixture must therefore be regarded as characteristic. The Nordic component can be considered of Indo-European origin.”

2.

„So hob sich ein Gürtel besonderer Häufung nordischer Merkmale im ganzen mittleren Norden von der Saale bis ins nördliche Weißrußland ab.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…


“A belt of particularly high concentration of Nordic traits stood out across the entire central northern area from the Saale to northern Belarus.”

3.

„Wurzel und Kern der slawischen Völker [sei] derselbe langschädlige und hellfarbige Typus, der für die benachbarten ‘arischen’ Stämme als kennzeichnend galt.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…



“The root and core of the Slavic peoples [is] the same long-headed and light-colored type that was regarded as characteristic of the neighboring ‘Aryan’ tribes.”

4.

„Die älteste Serie … trägt in allen Merkmalen eine stärker nordische Prägung.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…


“The oldest series … shows in all characteristics a stronger Nordic imprint.”

5.

„Es ist keineswegs unwahrscheinlich, daß bereits im urfinno-ugrischen nordeurasischen Kulturkreis nordische Elemente vorhanden waren. Die Schädelfunde vom Ladogasee … zeigen nordische und cromagnide Züge.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…


“It is by no means unlikely that Nordic elements already existed in the proto-Finno-Ugric North-Eurasian cultural sphere. The skull finds from Lake Ladoga … show Nordic and Cro-Magnon features.”

6.

„Sie haben den Slawen … neues nordisches Blut zugeführt, das freilich in der Gesamtmasse der betreffenden Völker rasch versickerte.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…


“They brought the Slavs new Nordic blood, but in the overall population this quickly dissipated.”


7.
„In der Mitte des slawischen Verbreitungsgebietes schließen sich die Gruppen mit deutlichem Vorwiegen der Nordischen … zu einem geschlossenen Bereich zusammen.”


“In the center of the Slavic settlement area, the groups with a clear predominance of Nordics form a continuous zone.”


8.
„Und gewiß wird man mindestens für die Hauptmasse der slawischen Nordischen unmittelbar indogermanisch-schnurkeramischen Ursprung annehmen dürfen.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…



“And one may certainly assume that the main body of the Slavic Nordics was of direct Indo-European Corded Ware origin.”

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Where do I contradict Schwidetzky,

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The stupid propaganda such as "Nordic" means "Germanic" "Teutonic" among other nonsense like "Indo European" and the other standard assumptions about the origins of European races. "Corded Ware" is another fake invention but that is a different subject.

For other maps see Czekanowski (1934) Człowiek w czasie i przestrzeni.

When Poles decide to hit you with academic knowledge, the ego plummets.

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Originally Posted by cass

If you had read Schwidetzky, Czekanowski, Niederle or Coon, you wouldn’t be saying such nonsense.”


1.
„Für die Urslawen vor der Wanderungszeit muß danach ein nordisch–osteuropides Gemenge als kennzeichnend angesehen werden. Dabei kann der nordische Bestandteil als indogermanischen Ursprungs gelten.”


Ilse Schwidetzky, Rassenkunde der Altslawen.



“For the Proto-Slavs before the migration period, a Nordic–Osteuropid mixture must therefore be regarded as characteristic. The Nordic component can be considered of Indo-European origin.”

2.

„So hob sich ein Gürtel besonderer Häufung nordischer Merkmale im ganzen mittleren Norden von der Saale bis ins nördliche Weißrußland ab.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…


“A belt of particularly high concentration of Nordic traits stood out across the entire central northern area from the Saale to northern Belarus.”

3.

„Wurzel und Kern der slawischen Völker [sei] derselbe langschädlige und hellfarbige Typus, der für die benachbarten ‘arischen’ Stämme als kennzeichnend galt.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…



“The root and core of the Slavic peoples [is] the same long-headed and light-colored type that was regarded as characteristic of the neighboring ‘Aryan’ tribes.”

4.

„Die älteste Serie … trägt in allen Merkmalen eine stärker nordische Prägung.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…


“The oldest series … shows in all characteristics a stronger Nordic imprint.”

5.

„Es ist keineswegs unwahrscheinlich, daß bereits im urfinno-ugrischen nordeurasischen Kulturkreis nordische Elemente vorhanden waren. Die Schädelfunde vom Ladogasee … zeigen nordische und cromagnide Züge.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…


“It is by no means unlikely that Nordic elements already existed in the proto-Finno-Ugric North-Eurasian cultural sphere. The skull finds from Lake Ladoga … show Nordic and Cro-Magnon features.”

6.

„Sie haben den Slawen … neues nordisches Blut zugeführt, das freilich in der Gesamtmasse der betreffenden Völker rasch versickerte.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…


“They brought the Slavs new Nordic blood, but in the overall population this quickly dissipated.”


7.
„In der Mitte des slawischen Verbreitungsgebietes schließen sich die Gruppen mit deutlichem Vorwiegen der Nordischen … zu einem geschlossenen Bereich zusammen.”


“In the center of the Slavic settlement area, the groups with a clear predominance of Nordics form a continuous zone.”


8.
„Und gewiß wird man mindestens für die Hauptmasse der slawischen Nordischen unmittelbar indogermanisch-schnurkeramischen Ursprung annehmen dürfen.”


ilse-schwidetzky-rassenkunde-de…



“And one may certainly assume that the main body of the Slavic Nordics was of direct Indo-European Corded Ware origin.”

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I originally had both Proto-Baltic and Proto-Slavic=Osteuropid/East Europid and East Nordid, which is probably more accurate and I will probably edit it back to that after reading your In-depth critique citing Schwidetzky’s work, but the reason I removed East Nordid as one of the dominant Subraces amongst Proto-Slavs and Proto-Balts, is due to the fact that the Osteuropid/East Europid Subrace is a stabilized mixture of East Nordids and Lappids, that first emerged when Balto-Slavic Indo-Europeans first mixed with Uralic people in Northeastern Europe around 4000 years ago, so I thought it was redundant to mention it because Osteuropids/East Europids are partially East Nordid by definition, with the same logic applying to why I removed East Nordid from the Proto-Iranian, Proto-Indo-Aryan, and Tocharian components as well, because Iranids (an Orientalid variety that are basically Arabids with slight East Nordid admixture from the Indo-European migration of Iranian tribes to the Iranian plateau and southern Central Asia 3000-3500 years ago), North Indids (an Indid variety that is essentially a stabilized mixture of Iranids and Gracile Indids that emerged during the Indo-European migration of Indo-Aryans to the Northern Indian subcontinent 3500 years ago), and Turanids (a stabilized Europid-Mongolid Transitional Subrace that combines Iranid, East Nordid, and Tungid elements, that slowly emerged in Central Asia over the past 3000 years of interactions between Indo-European, Turkic, and Mongolic populations) all involved East Nordids in their formation, :):p:thumb001::ranger!

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You are just copying and pasting from very speculative and often biased sources which were more propaganda than scientific.
For example "Pre-Greek Anatolian=Armenid" Ridiculous.

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You are just copying and pasting from very speculative and often biased sources which were more propaganda than scientific.
For example "Pre-Greek Anatolian=Armenid" Ridiculous.

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Pre-Greek Anatolian groups like the Hittites were overwhelmingly Armenid, so I don’t see the controversy in stating that Pre-Greek Anatolian=Armenid, as I thought this was one of the most obvious of my pairings of Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components in the Charts I posted with their dominant Subrace/Phenotype, out of curiosity do you agree with any of my pairings, :confused3::icon_ask::confused:?

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Originally Posted by King Lear

Pre-Greek Anatolian groups like the Hittites were overwhelmingly Armenid

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According to whose opinion?
It's nonsense.

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Originally Posted by King Lear

I originally had both Proto-Baltic and Proto-Slavic=Osteuropid/East Europid and East Nordid, which is probably more accurate and I will probably edit it back to that after reading your In-depth critique citing Schwidetzky’s work, but the reason I removed East Nordid as one of the dominant Subraces amongst Proto-Slavs and Proto-Balts, is due to the fact that the Osteuropid/East Europid Subrace is a stabilized mixture of East Nordids and Lappids, that first emerged when Balto-Slavic Indo-Europeans first mixed with Uralic people in Northeastern Europe around 4000 years ago, so I thought it was redundant to mention it because Osteuropids/East Europids are partially East Nordid by definition, with the same logic applying to why I removed East Nordid from the Proto-Iranian, Proto-Indo-Aryan, and Tocharian components as well, because Iranids (an Orientalid variety that are basically Arabids with slight East Nordid admixture from the Indo-European migration of Iranian tribes to the Iranian plateau and southern Central Asia 3000-3500 years ago), North Indids (an Indid variety that is essentially a stabilized mixture of Iranids and Gracile Indids that emerged during the Indo-European migration of Indo-Aryans to the Northern Indian subcontinent 3500 years ago), and Turanids (a stabilized Europid-Mongolid Transitional Subrace that combines Iranid, East Nordid, and Tungid elements, that slowly emerged in Central Asia over the past 3000 years of interactions between Indo-European, Turkic, and Mongolic populations) all involved East Nordids in their formation, :):p:thumb001::ranger!

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Eickstedt’s ‘East Europid’ is not any kind of late stabilized mix (there is no genetic evidence (neither autosomal nor Y-chromosome) for all Slavs having absorbed any Finno-Ugric groups, let alone the Sámi). Czekanowski already proved over 100 years ago at the Anthropological Conference in Helsinki that Osteuropid is nothing other than the Paleo-Europid (Cro-Magnon type). Genetically, this Cro-Magnon surplus in the Baltic refugium is very pronounced. It is also worth noting that this Baltic hunter-gatherer and his close relative from Motala are the primary source of depigmentation in Northern Europe.

The situation with the descendants of the Andronovo culture is completely different, and their centuries-long coexistence with non-European populations is a genetically confirmed fact. Nevertheless, for example, Afghans remain the closest living non-European genetic relatives of Northern European populations.

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Eickstedt’s ‘East Europid’ is not any kind of late stabilized mix (there is no genetic evidence (neither autosomal nor Y-chromosome) for all Slavs having absorbed any Finno-Ugric groups, let alone the Sámi). Czekanowski already proved over 100 years ago at the Anthropological Conference in Helsinki that Osteuropid is nothing other than the Paleo-Europid (Cro-Magnon type). Genetically, this Cro-Magnon surplus in the Baltic refugium is very pronounced. It is also worth noting that this Baltic hunter-gatherer and his close relative from Motala are the primary source of depigmentation in Northern Europe.

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Eickstedt clearly states that the Osteuropid/East Europid is a Contact/Intermediate form between Nordid and Lappid, in this quote on Pg. 368-369 of “Rassenkunde Und Rassengeschichte Der Menschheit”, :):p:thumb001::ranger:

“Although the Osteuropids are a homogeneous somatic form circle today, this must not have been the case in ancient times of racial history. This restriction provides a room for consolidation with those who do not recognize the Osteuropid independence. Because MongolOid traits (similiar to those of Mongolids) can be noticed in Osteuropids, next to their distinct traits. On the other hand there are several, even more numerous, Europid traits, thus these individuals must be considered part of the Europid racial circle. Those “Mongoloidisms” one may see in the oblique eye-openings and the forward-deployed cheekbones. How can their emergence be explained? Is it the result of an independent mutation (or as a better term, a peristatic transformation, in the way of Osborn, 1927) of a Europid population, e.g. one out of the short-headed belt? Osteuropids are short-headed. But this is just a hypothesis.

Not an hypothesis but reality is that Osteuropids live and have lived in the borderlands of Europids and Mongolids and it is not just an assumption but an obvious fact that everywhere were great races meet each other vast areas of contact forms can be found. Even at the time of the emergences of the modern races – which are anything but static and stable constants – in those areas those various tendencies of differentiatial development already interacted. This does not concern, like it was already hinted at with the blond hair of the Nordics, the groups of today we can unite as races because of their trait combinations, but simply a form circle that has the biological and geographical potential to develop into them. As strictly as one must deny the term “Mongolian admixture” when it comes to the Osteuropids of today; when it comes to racial history it is entirely possible (and in my opinion the only explanation of the obvious facts) that the early occurance of heritage tendencies we can call “Mongoloidisms” played a part in the formation of the Osteuropid type. Transistional traits and races exist, there is no clear cut in nature in the way we would want to have (and need) it when working in our labratories or at our desks. Following the racial movements in the European space will provide the geographical opposition to the described genetic approach. The Osteuropids are thus a typical intermediate form, an independently differentiated and developed body form group out of the contact area of the North-Europid-directed and “East Asian”-influenced proto-Hominids.”

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Originally Posted by King Lear

Eickstedt clearly states that the Osteuropid/East Europid is a Contact/Intermediate form between Nordid and Lappid, in this quote on Pg. 368-369 of “Rassenkunde Und Rassengeschichte Der Menschheit”, :):p:thumb001::ranger:

“Although the Osteuropids are a homogeneous somatic form circle today, this must not have been the case in ancient times of racial history. This restriction provides a room for consolidation with those who do not recognize the Osteuropid independence. Because MongolOid traits (similiar to those of Mongolids) can be noticed in Osteuropids, next to their distinct traits. On the other hand there are several, even more numerous, Europid traits, thus these individuals must be considered part of the Europid racial circle. Those “Mongoloidisms” one may see in the oblique eye-openings and the forward-deployed cheekbones. How can their emergence be explained? Is it the result of an independent mutation (or as a better term, a peristatic transformation, in the way of Osborn, 1927) of a Europid population, e.g. one out of the short-headed belt? Osteuropids are short-headed. But this is just a hypothesis.

Not an hypothesis but reality is that Osteuropids live and have lived in the borderlands of Europids and Mongolids and it is not just an assumption but an obvious fact that everywhere were great races meet each other vast areas of contact forms can be found. Even at the time of the emergences of the modern races – which are anything but static and stable constants – in those areas those various tendencies of differentiatial development already interacted. This does not concern, like it was already hinted at with the blond hair of the Nordics, the groups of today we can unite as races because of their trait combinations, but simply a form circle that has the biological and geographical potential to develop into them. As strictly as one must deny the term “Mongolian admixture” when it comes to the Osteuropids of today; when it comes to racial history it is entirely possible (and in my opinion the only explanation of the obvious facts) that the early occurance of heritage tendencies we can call “Mongoloidisms” played a part in the formation of the Osteuropid type. Transistional traits and races exist, there is no clear cut in nature in the way we would want to have (and need) it when working in our labratories or at our desks. Following the racial movements in the European space will provide the geographical opposition to the described genetic approach. The Osteuropids are thus a typical intermediate form, an independently differentiated and developed body form group out of the contact area of the North-Europid-directed and “East Asian”-influenced proto-Hominids.”

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This only shows how idiotic Eickstedt’s theses were. Genetically, there are no Asian traces in the core Slavic population.

https://i.ibb.co/QFVJbX24/Zrzut-ekra...ringer-com.jpg

source: Genes reveal traces of common recent demographic history for most of the Uralic-speaking populations
Published: 21 September 2018
Volume 19, article number 139, (2018)

Ale czy Czekanowski (1934) był w błędzie gdy postawił taką hipotezę, że Europejczycy ze wschodu wykazali wpływ lapanoidalny? Co miał na myślę?

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Originally Posted by Wandal

Ale czy Czekanowski (1934) był w błędzie gdy postawił taką hipotezę, że Europejczycy ze wschodu wykazali wpływ lapanoidalny? Co miał na myślę?

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Yes and no. He likely identified the Alpine/Laponoid core of Central Europe correctly. In Czekanowski’s view, this core referred to the mountain belt stretching from France to the Carpathians. No, because—like all anthropologists of his time—he relied on the idea of the relative stability of anthropometric traits. In reality, however, within-population (environmental) plasticity plays a much greater role than external influences.

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Originally Posted by cass

This only shows how idiotic Eickstedt’s theses were. Genetically, there are no Asian traces in the core Slavic population.

https://i.ibb.co/QFVJbX24/Zrzut-ekra...ringer-com.jpg

source: Genes reveal traces of common recent demographic history for most of the Uralic-speaking populations
Published: 21 September 2018
Volume 19, article number 139, (2018)

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This study still shows that Eickstedt was right that Osteuropids/East Europids have Lappid influence due to mixing with Uralic people, particularly in Finland and Northern Russia, though I will admit that it is probably more accurate to describe Osteuropids/East Europids as a stabilized East Nordid-Alpinid-Lappid mixture instead of just a stabilized East Nordid-Lappid mixture, :):p:thumb001::ranger!