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Why does 23andMe classify Greek Cypriots as West Asian, given that mainland Greeks can easily be modeled as half Greek Cypriot? This seems inconsistent. Mainland Greeks frequently get 100% European on 23andMe, while Greek Cypriots typically get 100% West Asian Cypriot.
https://i.imgur.com/Zs07Xgh.png
https://i.redd.it/kaco0cpp02p61.jpg
https://i.redd.it/sdvlqt8y70ce1.jpg
Anything below 1.0 indicates an extremely close fit, meaning almost the same population. So yes, mainland Greeks can be modeled this way.
https://i.imgur.com/vGDOJoo.png
I consider Cypriots to be European.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Elizabeth~
They are a European-West Asian intermediate population, in much the same way that, to varying degrees, Kavkazians, Turks and Jews are. That Cypriots are often considered to be more 'European' than any of those other populations is more for ideological rather than objective genetic/anthropological reasons.
Don't know. Are Sicilians European genetically?
Cypriots have very low Yamnaya ancestry and no WHG ancestry, so they cannot be considered European.
Farmer ancestry is European too, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonny001
I had already explained this to you:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...27#post8308827
From a cultural point of view, absolutely. From a genetic point of view, they're not purely of European descent. To me, they are Europeans regardless of their genetics though.
Politically and culturally, sure. Genetically by WN standards, well..Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Elizabeth~
I'm asking this because you stated that you don't accept Europeans who are even 5% non-Europeans genetically. Here's their G25 model:Quote:
Cypriots have a distinct genetic profile reflecting their position as a genetic crossroads, with strong links to ancient populations of Anatolia, the Levant, and the Eastern Mediterranean, along with contributions from Southern Italy, the Caucasus, and Steppe peoples. Studies show Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots share significant common paternal ancestry predating the Ottoman era. Analysis also highlights genetic affinities with Southern Italians, Armenians, and Levantine populations like Lebanese Christians.
Genetic ancestry and components
Ancient farming communities: A substantial portion of Greek Cypriot ancestry (42.8%) comes from Anatolian Neolithic Farmers, with additional components from Levantine (23.2%) and Iranian Neolithic Farmers (14.2%).
European and Caucasus links: Other ancestral components include Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers (11.8%) and Yamnaya steppe peoples (8%).
Geographic continuum: Cypriot DNA shows a genetic continuum with populations across the Eastern Mediterranean, clustering with groups from Southern Italy and the Levant.
Population-specific relationships
Greek Cypriots: Closely related to populations in the Dodecanese islands of Greece, particularly Kastellorizo, Symi, and Rhodes. They also show genetic affinity with Southern Italians and Lebanese Christians.
Turkish Cypriots: Share a common pre-Ottoman paternal ancestry with Greek Cypriots. They show a slight genetic shift towards mainland Turkish populations, but overall maintain a similar Y-haplogroup distribution as Greek Cypriots, which includes a significant connection to non-Turkic Anatolian populations.
Armenian Cypriots and Maronite Cypriots: Analysis shows a closer genetic relationship between Greek Cypriots and Armenian Cypriots compared to Maronite Cypriots, though all three communities show moderate genetic differentiation from each other.
https://genesoftheancients.wordpress.../image-96.webp
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...ju1U=w459-h640
Sure
Target: Cypriot
Distance: 1.7079% / 0.01707869
40.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
26.8 Levant_PPNB
23.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 Han
Target: Italian_Bergamo
Distance: 2.6615% / 0.02661484
60.2 TUR_Barcin_N
33.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 WHG
Same peoplz
Distance to: Greece_Peloponnese_N_noUDGQuote:
Originally Posted by majevica
0.12460158 Cypriot
0.13445174 Italian_Bergamo
0.13976394 Lebanese_Christian
Distance to: Greece_Peloponnese_N
0.10637396 Cypriot
0.12297976 Lebanese_Christian
0.12577035 Italian_Bergamo
Distance to: Greece_NeaNikomedeia_EN.SG
0.13575194 Cypriot
0.13982122 Italian_Bergamo
0.15122967 Lebanese_Christian
Distance to: Greece_N.SG
0.14080350 Cypriot
0.14690658 Italian_Bergamo
0.15566950 Lebanese_Christian
Distance to: Greece_N
0.13670112 Cypriot
0.14879230 Italian_Bergamo
0.15086782 Lebanese_Christian
Distance to: Greece_MiddleMinoan
0.08224982 Cypriot
0.09535015 Lebanese_Christian
0.12758532 Italian_Bergamo
Distance to: Tiryns_IA:TIR008
0.08215553 Cypriot
0.08991372 Italian_Bergamo
0.10503720 Lebanese_Christian
Distance to: Greece_Koufonisi_Cycladic_EBA.SG
0.06427445 Cypriot
0.08533066 Lebanese_Christian
0.10448501 Italian_Bergamo
Distance to: Greece_Delphi_IA
0.06727217 Cypriot
0.08282366 Italian_Bergamo
0.09023358 Lebanese_Christian
Distance to: Greece_BA_Mycenaean_Pylos
0.06844033 Cypriot
0.07421075 Italian_Bergamo
0.09331464 Lebanese_Christian
Then I demand Euro status for the Ashkenazim, Turks and Roma tooQuote:
Originally Posted by ~Elizabeth~
Distance to: English
0.14073311 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.16080718 Turkish_Konya
0.16741069 Roma_Balkans
0.16969703 Cypriot
Cypriots are genetically considered West Asian population, as well as their phenotype. I remember ten years ago people tried so hard to place Armenians as Europeans or put them anywhere next to Europe. Because of what? Christians and language matters.
Cypriots.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile...The-x-axis.png
No. They are not Europeans. American ignorance and constant annoying retardation never cease to amaze me.
Sicilians and European Jews, along with some Greek subgroups, are intermediate between European and Near Eastern populations, though most of them fall closer to the European cluster. Cypriots are a Middle Eastern population with a South European shift.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMario
Do you know where I can do same graphic for my DNA Raw data file / or G25 coordinates?Quote:
Originally Posted by black hole
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Originally Posted by Repent
Those are based on G25 calculators, GEDmatch and such. Once you score a high component, moderate and low, you turn them into such graphics. I do not remember a member on TA who made these charts and maps based on calculation results. He was a Polish man.
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by black hole
Russian copeQuote:
Originally Posted by black hole
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2119281119
Revealing the recent demographic history of Europe via haplotype sharing in the UK Biobank
https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pna...81119fig02.jpgQuote:
Southern Europe.
Leiden clustering yields three broad groups of clusters with southern European membership, as follows: one grouping individuals born around the eastern Mediterranean (i.e., Italy, Greece, Turkey, and Cyrpus), the Iberia Peninsula (Spain and Portugal), and finally two outgroup clusters (“Mixed European” and “Malta”).
Most sampled Greek individuals form a single cluster that in the nnls analysis is modeled as a mixture of haplotypes from neighboring southern clusters such as “Italy” and “Turkey,” but as well haplotypes from the north from NE Balkans. We observe a smaller cluster grouped with the “Greece” cluster on the dendrogram (Fig. 2) that contains all sampled Albanian individuals and also projects separately to Greece in PCA; this finding is suggestive of an additional structure that we explore in our IBD-based analyses below. Elsewhere in this branch are the majority of Cypriots, Turkish, and Italian samples grouped into their own three respective clusters. In Italy, our clustering approach does not resolve the north–south clustering previously observed (4).
https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pna...81119fig02.jpg
Asking AI :
Question:Are Cypriots Part of the South European or West Asian Cluster?
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Modern Cypriots (especially Greek Cypriots) are genetically intermediate but cluster primarily with the South European (Mediterranean) group in most autosomal analyses. They form a homogeneous domain with Aegean island Greeks (e.g., Crete, Dodecanese), southern Italians (Sicily/Calabria), and Sicilians, as shown in PCA and ADMIXTURE plots from Lazaridis et al. (2017) and Stamatoyannopoulos et al. (2017, Eur J Hum Genet). This reflects dominant Bronze Age Aegean/Anatolian ancestry (~60–70%), pulling them into the "Southern European" cline despite ~20–30% Levantine input.
However, they exhibit a "bridge" position toward West Asia:
In global PCA (e.g., 1000 Genomes/HO), Cypriots plot between southern Europeans and West Asians (Lebanese, western Turks), closer to the former but with overlap into the latter due to shared Neolithic farmer and Phoenician components.
Commercial tests (e.g., 23andMe) often assign them to "West Asian & North African" (WANA) clusters because reference panels emphasize Levantine/West Asian markers, but scientific studies (e.g., Haber et al., 2013) place them in a "Levantine Christian + South European" branch.
They lack significant Slavic/Northern European admixture (~2–3% vs. 10–20% in mainland Greeks), making them more "southern-shifted" than continental Greeks but still distinct from core West Asians (e.g., higher F_ST to Syrians than to Cretans).
In summary, Cypriots are best described as a South European population with West Asian affinities, forming the eastern edge of the Mediterranean genetic continuum. This aligns with their history as a crossroads of Aegean, Levantine, and Anatolian migrations.
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Originally Posted by userNa
Cypriots can be considered both, depending on the context: geographically, Cyprus is in West Asia, but politically and culturally, it is considered European, largely due to its membership in the European Union and strong ties to European culture. Genetically, Cypriots have a unique profile that is closer to West Asian populations
Geographically and genetically: Cyprus is located in the eastern Mediterranean, south of Anatolia and near the coast of the Levant, placing it in West Asia. Genetically, studies show that the population has more in common with West Asian populations than with mainland Greeks, for example.
Politically and culturally: Cyprus is a member of the European Union, and its citizens are European citizens. Culturally, it has strong ties to European traditions, largely due to its large Greek Cypriot population and long history of European influence
Cypriots are Western Asians.
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Originally Posted by Kross
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...4uY8OXiN_afSVi
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...4uY8OXiN_afSVi
Indeed. It coincides with this G25 model showing that they are predom. of ancient Greek ancestry with significant Levantine admixture. There's nothing wrong with that:Quote:
Originally Posted by userNa
https://genesoftheancients.wordpress.../image-96.webp
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...ju1U=w459-h640
They are not less Greek than others.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...75#post8310975
Greek cypriots are europeans.
Regardless of their genetics, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondie