Native Irish versus Brits and Continentals G25 Just For Fun Calculator

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Native_Irish,0.129189,0.135065,0.0573225,0.044251,0.043547,0.0145025,0.0029375,0.0050765,0.0061355,-0.003918,-0.004141,0.007793,-0.0132305,-0.013212,0.0198155,0.004972,-0.01356,0.001774,0.0015715,0.002751,0.004118,0.0045755,0.001972,0.0153035,0.0001795
Viking_Proxy,0.130897,0.129988,0.06675,0.053618,0.040007,0.019522,0.00893,0.011307,0.005318,-0.005832,-0.006008,0.003747,-0.008474,-0.013212,0.02158,0.008618,-0.008605,0.003167,0.005154,0.004502,0.008485,0.003462,-0.00037,0.013496,0.002155
French_Norman_Proxy,0.126344,0.137096,0.053551,0.038114,0.040315,0.01255,0.00188,0.004615,0.005113,0.002551,-0.004384,0.004946,-0.01219, -0.011009, 0.013572, 0.006364, -0.005346, 0.00114, 0.002639, -0.000125, 0.003244, 0.001731, -0.001356, 0.008435, 0.000838
Roman_Era_Proxy,0.120652,0.146236,0.030547,-0.009367,0.037237,-0.008925,-0.001645,0.001846,0.016362,0.026788,0.000812,0.006594,-0.014123,-0.003165,-0.012351,-0.001458,0.006389,0.00076,0.004651,-0.004877,-0.00287,0.003462,-0.002958,-0.001807,-0.000718
Scottish_Lowland,0.129202,0.133288,0.061416,0.051413,0.040186,0.019565,0.003921,0.006507,0.004123,0.000109,-0.004812,0.005515,-0.012586,-0.013589,0.019747,0.006934,-0.009476,0.00223,0.003293,0.00164,0.005241,0.003227,0.000308,0.014267,0.000479
English_North,0.129758,0.133034,0.063168,0.052003,0.038161,0.020359,0.003525,0.007615,0.004909,-0.000547,-0.006171,0.006294,-0.012933,-0.013762,0.023344,0.007558,-0.011604,0.001901,0.00352,0.003001,0.006364,0.003833,-0.000616,0.015062,0.001197
English_South,0.126344,0.13405,0.056191,0.041021,0.037237,0.016176,0.003525,0.005307,0.004704,0.003827,-0.004709,0.005845,-0.010109,-0.010459,0.016965,0.006497,-0.00678,0.002787,0.003394,0.002126,0.004243,0.00235,0.000616,0.011809,0.000958
Cornish,0.12862,0.137096,0.054305,0.040698,0.041238,0.01255,0.00141,0.004846,0.008385,0.004738,-0.005196,0.006294,-0.013677,-0.012386,0.016829,0.006629,-0.010561,0.001267,0.002891,0.0005,0.005241,0.001607,0.000123,0.011206,0.001916
Norway_Viking,0.130896,0.126941,0.071276,0.061047,0.041546,0.024263,0.00987,0.010153,0.003886,-0.006925,-0.005196,0.003597,-0.008474,-0.010321,0.021037,0.011933,-0.004433,0.003041,0.004525,0.005127,0.008235,0.00408,0.001972,0.014219,0.001557
Denmark_Viking,0.129758,0.127957,0.069767,0.05814,0.040931,0.022311,0.0094,0.008769,0.003681,-0.008565,-0.006008,0.005395,-0.009068,-0.010184,0.022394,0.010209,-0.008214,0.003041,0.004022,0.006128,0.008235,0.003833,0.002835,0.012532,0.000479
Anglo-Saxon,0.129758,0.129988,0.064111,0.052649,0.041546,0.019522,0.00705,0.008538,0.003681,-0.004556,-0.005196,0.005395,-0.011298,-0.011698,0.020358,0.007955,-0.010431,0.002534,0.004274,0.003752,0.006489,0.003339,-0.000493,0.013978,0.001676

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Like most G25 calculators it overestimates Germanic ancestry in Irish people such as myself, but I was bored so I made it anyway:

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.01814506 Scottish_Lowland
0.01826495 English_North
0.01937552 Native_Irish
0.02020081 Anglo-Saxon
0.02267519 English_South
0.02309991 Viking_Proxy
0.02409552 Cornish
0.02643504 Denmark_Viking
0.02833488 French_Norman_Proxy
0.02988754 Norway_Viking
0.09263039 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7147% / 0.01714718
59.2 English_North
34.8 Native_Irish
4.2 Denmark_Viking
1.8 Roman_Era_Proxy

with this slavic sample

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Slavic,0.128500,0.125765,0.070740,0.060180,0.036282,0.022722,0.008770,0.014586,-0.002422,-0.021216,-0.000838,-0.009962,0.015828,0.020520,-0.012765,0.000649,0.005016,-0.001420,-0.000139,0.004417,-0.002627,-0.005141,0.008588,-0.004414,-0.001595

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Target: me_scaled
Distance: 2.6701% / 0.02670089
73.2 Slavic
15.0 Norway_Viking
11.8 Roman_Era_Proxy

Distance to: me_scaled
0.03277884 Slavic
0.05745997 Norway_Viking
0.05947499 Denmark_Viking
0.06094144 Viking_Proxy
0.06125973 English_South
0.06150269 Anglo-Saxon
0.06157809 French_Norman_Proxy
0.06331233 Scottish_Lowland
0.06640771 Cornish
0.06656072 English_North
0.06707487 Native_Irish
0.10091000 Roman_Era_Proxy

It's not working for me. What is used for the Native_Irish? Calculators have problems differentiating Irish from English unlike commercial dna tests that use technology that looks at long strands of dna that are inherited from your recent ancestry. It is why they aren't so good with trace results but are good at getting correct someone's majority ancestry.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8714% / 0.01871447
90.2 English_North
8.8 Viking_Proxy
1.0 Denmark_Viking

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

It's not working for me. What is used for the Native_Irish? Calculators have problems differentiating Irish from English unlike commercial dna tests that use technology that looks at long strands of dna that are inherited from your recent ancestry. It is why they aren't so good with trace results but are good at getting correct someone's majority ancestry.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8714% / 0.01871447
90.2 English_North
8.8 Viking_Proxy
1.0 Denmark_Viking

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It didn't work that well for me either. It is just further evidence that G25 is not great at distinguishing between Insular Celts and Germanics.

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Originally Posted by Fistora

with this slavic sample

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Slavic,0.128500,0.125765,0.070740,0.060180,0.036282,0.022722,0.008770,0.014586,-0.002422,-0.021216,-0.000838,-0.009962,0.015828,0.020520,-0.012765,0.000649,0.005016,-0.001420,-0.000139,0.004417,-0.002627,-0.005141,0.008588,-0.004414,-0.001595

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Target: me_scaled
Distance: 2.6701% / 0.02670089
73.2 Slavic
15.0 Norway_Viking
11.8 Roman_Era_Proxy

Distance to: me_scaled
0.03277884 Slavic
0.05745997 Norway_Viking
0.05947499 Denmark_Viking
0.06094144 Viking_Proxy
0.06125973 English_South
0.06150269 Anglo-Saxon
0.06157809 French_Norman_Proxy
0.06331233 Scottish_Lowland
0.06640771 Cornish
0.06656072 English_North
0.06707487 Native_Irish
0.10091000 Roman_Era_Proxy

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Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.01814506 Scottish_Lowland
0.01826495 English_North
0.01937552 Native_Irish
0.02020081 Anglo-Saxon
0.02267519 English_South
0.02309991 Viking_Proxy
0.02409552 Cornish
0.02643504 Denmark_Viking
0.02833488 French_Norman_Proxy
0.02988754 Norway_Viking
0.07105978 Slavic
0.09263039 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6723% / 0.01672269
57.4 English_North
36.4 Native_Irish
5.4 Slavic
0.8 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: Dorquest_scaled
Distance: 2.8860% / 0.02886021
83.8 Native_Irish
9.6 Roman_Era_Proxy
6.6 Slavic



Distance to: Dorquest_scaled
0.03042391 Native_Irish
0.03136023 Cornish
0.03267887 French_Norman_Proxy
0.03280470 English_South
0.03521208 Scottish_Lowland
0.03651290 English_North
0.03771193 Anglo-Saxon
0.04018589 Viking_Proxy
0.04442256 Denmark_Viking
0.04843739 Norway_Viking
0.07531145 Slavic
0.08354126 Roman_Era_Proxy

Distance to: Figaro
0.03087842 English_South
0.03261966 French_Norman_Proxy
0.03639255 Anglo-Saxon
0.03649013 Cornish
0.03694455 Scottish_Lowland
0.03764160 Native_Irish
0.03808847 Viking_Proxy
0.03929334 English_North
0.04004374 Denmark_Viking
0.04196399 Norway_Viking
0.08206326 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: Figaro
Distance: 2.7731% / 0.02773150
52.4 Denmark_Viking
27.6 Roman_Era_Proxy
20.0 Norway_Viking

With Fistora's Slavic sample-

Target: Figaro
Distance: 1.8571% / 0.01857063
53.2 English_South
35.2 Slavic
9.4 Roman_Era_Proxy
2.2 Denmark_Viking

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 3.5312% / 0.03531239
85.2 NorthCaucasus
14.8 Native_Irish



Target: tk'es_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 3.4335% / 0.03433458
86.8 NorthCaucasus
13.2 English_North

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 2.0020% / 0.02001957
33.0 English_South
27.0 Anglo-Saxon
15.8 Cornish
15.8 Scottish_Lowland
8.4 Roman_Era_Proxy

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Distance to:        Rædwald
0.02047367        English_South
0.02149617        Cornish
0.02219995        French_Norman_Proxy
0.02401917        Native_Irish
0.02438139        Scottish_Lowland
0.02688050        English_North
0.02749769        Anglo-Saxon
0.03149813        Viking_Proxy
0.03538409        Denmark_Viking
0.03811776        Norway_Viking
0.08119936        Roman_Era_Proxy

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Distance: 1.8289% / 0.01828905
35.2 French_Norman_Proxy
31.4 Cornish
27.2 Norway_Viking
6.2 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: scaled
Distance: 2.0791% / 0.02079113
51.0 French_Norman_Proxy
48.2 Norway_Viking
0.8 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 2.5896% / 0.02589556
55.4 Norway_Viking
21.4 Roman_Era_Proxy
14.2 Cornish
9.0 French_Norman_Proxy

Distance to: fh_scaled
0.02798407 French_Norman_Proxy
0.02871143 English_South
0.02907057 Cornish
0.03230429 Scottish_Lowland
0.03369648 Native_Irish
0.03458749 English_North
0.03567467 Anglo-Saxon
0.03642166 Viking_Proxy
0.04035931 Denmark_Viking
0.04075345 Norway_Viking
0.08142567 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.4086% / 0.03408608
66.6 Roman_Era_Proxy
33.4 Cornish

Adding these 2 and removing Roman_Era_Proxy:

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Hispania_Roman:Portugal_Conimbriga+Spain_Roman,0.1050967,0.1465747,0.0439973,-0.0033377,0.0470857,-0.0059497,0.0022717,0.0023847,0.0317693,0.0330457,-0.0027067,0.0059947,-0.0150147,-0.0108723,0.0119883,0.002077,-0.003086,0.0008867,-0.0019273,0.002126,0.0041177,-0.0016073,-0.001356,-0.0085953,-0.00012
Pre-Roman_Iberia:Spain_LBA,0.1266281,0.1500442,0.0536925,0.009367,0.0615882,0.0008018,-0.0002642,0.001298,0.0329539,0.0443061,-0.006922,0.0065942,-0.0253839,-0.0158436,0.0088559,0.0063976,0.0032759,-0.0015676,-0.0037554,-0.0013288,0.0072841,-0.0016384,-0.0084116,-0.0136164,-0.0001798

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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8492% / 0.01849151
61.6 Hispania_Roman
23.6 Pre-Roman_Iberia
11.6 French_Norman_Proxy
3.2 Native_Irish

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Originally Posted by celticdragongod

It didn't work that well for me either. It is just further evidence that G25 is not great at distinguishing between Insular Celts and Germanics.

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Davidski made a less popular Celtic versus Germanic PCA for that :

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/...ic-europe.html

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/cvg/#Core

Distance to: codex_scaled
0.02748815 Scottish_Lowland
0.02868819 English_South
0.02875579 English_North
0.02879413 Anglo-Saxon
0.02964095 Viking_Proxy
0.03184040 French_Norman_Proxy
0.03187821 Norway_Viking
0.03217813 Denmark_Viking
0.03230556 Cornish
0.03367205 Native_Irish
0.09252110 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: codex_scaled
Distance: 2.5067% / 0.02506665
62.8 Norway_Viking
16.0 English_South
11.8 French_Norman_Proxy
9.4 Roman_Era_Proxy

Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.02086471 Cornish
0.02292466 English_South
0.02342234 French_Norman_Proxy
0.02624080 Native_Irish
0.02789865 Scottish_Lowland
0.02849906 English_North
0.03292466 Anglo-Saxon
0.03503155 Viking_Proxy
0.04142240 Denmark_Viking
0.04397769 Norway_Viking
0.07938474 Roman_Era_Proxy


Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0207% / 0.02066585
59.4 Cornish
32.6 English_North
8.0 Roman_Era_Proxy

Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.02083361 5.60% English_North + 94.40% Cornish
0.02085087 7.40% English_South + 92.60% Cornish
0.02104660 20.00% Roman_Era_Proxy + 80.00% English_North
0.02230394 71.20% French_Norman_Proxy + 28.80% English_North
0.02261816 38.00% French_Norman_Proxy + 62.00% English_South
0.02275005 17.60% Roman_Era_Proxy + 82.40% Scottish_Lowland
0.02275657 3.60% Roman_Era_Proxy + 96.40% English_South
0.02282323 14.20% Native_Irish + 85.80% English_South
0.02286468 28.20% Native_Irish + 71.80% French_Norman_Proxy
0.02289148 6.80% English_North + 93.20% English_South
0.02289559 76.40% French_Norman_Proxy + 23.60% Scottish_Lowland
0.02314705 12.00% Viking_Proxy + 88.00% French_Norman_Proxy
0.02327518 89.80% French_Norman_Proxy + 10.20% Anglo-Saxon
0.02337211 95.80% French_Norman_Proxy + 4.20% Denmark_Viking
0.02337321 96.00% French_Norman_Proxy + 4.00% Norway_Viking
0.02388392 87.40% Native_Irish + 12.60% Roman_Era_Proxy
0.02488789 22.20% Roman_Era_Proxy + 77.80% Anglo-Saxon
0.02495872 75.40% Viking_Proxy + 24.60% Roman_Era_Proxy
0.02600991 77.00% Native_Irish + 23.00% English_North
0.02606125 76.40% Native_Irish + 23.60% Scottish_Lowland
0.02699028 29.60% Roman_Era_Proxy + 70.40% Denmark_Viking
0.02778152 31.40% Roman_Era_Proxy + 68.60% Norway_Viking
0.02789741 95.60% Scottish_Lowland + 4.40% English_North

Distance to: Birchy
0.02096998 Scottish_Lowland
0.02168782 English_North
0.02304137 Cornish
0.02464022 Native_Irish
0.02472074 English_South
0.02520316 Anglo-Saxon
0.02726183 French_Norman_Proxy
0.02780325 Viking_Proxy
0.03291292 Denmark_Viking
0.03408857 Norway_Viking
0.09010211 Roman_Era_Proxy
Target: Birchy
Distance: 1.9811% / 0.01981071
52.6 English_North
41.8 Cornish
5.6 Scottish_Lowland

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.4086% / 0.03408608
66.6 Roman_Era_Proxy
33.4 Cornish

Adding these 2 and removing Roman_Era_Proxy:

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Hispania_Roman:Portugal_Conimbriga+Spain_Roman,0.1050967,0.1465747,0.0439973,-0.0033377,0.0470857,-0.0059497,0.0022717,0.0023847,0.0317693,0.0330457,-0.0027067,0.0059947,-0.0150147,-0.0108723,0.0119883,0.002077,-0.003086,0.0008867,-0.0019273,0.002126,0.0041177,-0.0016073,-0.001356,-0.0085953,-0.00012
Pre-Roman_Iberia:Spain_LBA,0.1266281,0.1500442,0.0536925,0.009367,0.0615882,0.0008018,-0.0002642,0.001298,0.0329539,0.0443061,-0.006922,0.0065942,-0.0253839,-0.0158436,0.0088559,0.0063976,0.0032759,-0.0015676,-0.0037554,-0.0013288,0.0072841,-0.0016384,-0.0084116,-0.0136164,-0.0001798

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Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8492% / 0.01849151
61.6 Hispania_Roman
23.6 Pre-Roman_Iberia
11.6 French_Norman_Proxy
3.2 Native_Irish

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Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.01814506 Scottish_Lowland
0.01826495 English_North
0.01937552 Native_Irish
0.02020081 Anglo-Saxon
0.02267519 English_South
0.02309991 Viking_Proxy
0.02409552 Cornish
0.02643504 Denmark_Viking
0.02833488 French_Norman_Proxy
0.02988754 Norway_Viking
0.08697398 Hispania_Roman:Portugal_Conimbriga+Spain_Roman
0.08712957 Pre-Roman_Iberia:Spain_LBA
0.09263039 Roman_Era_Proxy

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.7147% / 0.01714718
59.2 English_North
34.8 Native_Irish
4.2 Denmark_Viking
1.8 Roman_Era_Proxy