Bitches I am English American :

G25 ancients averages :

codex_scaled Distance: 0.9398% / 0.00939833 | R4P

33.8 Netherlands_LIA (Frisii)

28.8 Germany_Liebenau_Saxon_EMedieval

19.4 France_MBA

18.0 Ireland_EBA.SG

Overall Takeaway

You’re essentially a mix of:

North Sea Germanic (Dutch/Saxon-like) → dominant
Atlantic Bronze Age (Celtic-like) → substantial layer

This is a very typical profile for people with ancestry from areas like:

England
The Low Countries
Northern Germany

K36 ancestral map

https://i.postimg.cc/XYcW1cMS/Screen...1-20-02-05.png

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/Tools/K36GPS

Eurogenes K15 :


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.73
2 Atlantic 27.48
3 Baltic 9.89
4 Eastern_Euro 9.33
5 West_Med 9.04
6 West_Asian 4.71


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 3.994056
2 Southeast_English @ 4.102741
3 North_Dutch @ 4.552310
4 Danish @ 4.855451
5 West_Scottish @ 4.866607
6 Irish @ 4.880562
7 Orcadian @ 5.094912
8 North_German @ 6.138461
9 Norwegian @ 7.966440
10 South_Dutch @ 8.012987
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.933986
12 West_German @ 9.173216
13 Swedish @ 9.642890
14 North_Swedish @ 12.409560
15 French @ 12.930974
16 East_German @ 14.552754
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.775555
18 Austrian @ 19.799868
19 Hungarian @ 20.215124
20 Finnish @ 21.304001

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.031889

Big fan of Davidski now?

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Originally Posted by codex

G25 ancients averages :

codex_scaled Distance: 0.9398% / 0.00939833 | R4P

33.8 Netherlands_LIA (Frisii)

28.8 Germany_Liebenau_Saxon_EMedieval

19.4 France_MBA

18.0 Ireland_EBA.SG

Overall Takeaway

You’re essentially a mix of:

North Sea Germanic (Dutch/Saxon-like) → dominant
Atlantic Bronze Age (Celtic-like) → substantial layer

This is a very typical profile for people with ancestry from areas like:

England
The Low Countries
Northern Germany

K36 ancestral map

https://i.postimg.cc/XYcW1cMS/Screen...1-20-02-05.png

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/Tools/K36GPS

Eurogenes K15 :


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.73
2 Atlantic 27.48
3 Baltic 9.89
4 Eastern_Euro 9.33
5 West_Med 9.04
6 West_Asian 4.71


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 3.994056
2 Southeast_English @ 4.102741
3 North_Dutch @ 4.552310
4 Danish @ 4.855451
5 West_Scottish @ 4.866607
6 Irish @ 4.880562
7 Orcadian @ 5.094912
8 North_German @ 6.138461
9 Norwegian @ 7.966440
10 South_Dutch @ 8.012987
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.933986
12 West_German @ 9.173216
13 Swedish @ 9.642890
14 North_Swedish @ 12.409560
15 French @ 12.930974
16 East_German @ 14.552754
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.775555
18 Austrian @ 19.799868
19 Hungarian @ 20.215124
20 Finnish @ 21.304001

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.031889

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Seems to be Southwest English American which is the Celtic part of England.

Attachment 147634

It doesn't seem to be very accurate since I am Irish.

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Originally Posted by ChatGPT

Big fan of Davidski now?

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Not really. I am a big fan of G25 ancients (not modern) plus AI and his Celtic vs Germanic PCA. I emailed Davidski and paid him $60 dollars to model my ancestry. He said I wasn't English and modeled me as :

England_IA
Iceland_viking_PreChristian
Slovakia_poprad_MA (Deutschendorf)

Granted this was years ago before more samples were added to the ancients sheets but he had access to my Celtic vs Germanic coordinates :

https://i.postimg.cc/pVhg6N3x/Vahadu...A-(Custom).png

^ I fall within both the English and Dutch realms

Certified white boy

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Originally Posted by codex

Not really. I am a big fan of G25 ancients (not modern) plus AI and his Celtic vs Germanic PCA. I emailed Davidski and paid him $60 dollars to model my ancestry. He said I wasn't English and modeled me as :

England_IA
Iceland_viking_PreChristian
Slovakia_poprad_MA (Deutschendorf)

Granted this was years ago before more samples were added to the ancients sheets but he had access to my Celtic vs Germanic coordinates :

[img]https://i.postimg.cc/pVhg6N3x/Vahaduo-Celto-Germanic-PCA-(C

^ I fall within both the English and Dutch realms

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You gave him money?

That actually pisses me off. The appropriate behavior would have been for him to pay back the people who funded his project once he started receiving payments. That's what I would have done.

I will now call him Davidstein.

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Originally Posted by celticdragongod

Seems to be Southwest English American which is the Celtic part of England.

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There is no Celtic part of England except for Cornwall.

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Originally Posted by ChatGPT

You gave him money?

That actually pisses me off. The appropriate behavior would have been for him to pay back the people who funded his project once he started receiving payments. That's what I would have done.

I will now call him Davidstein.

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Yeah, I paid him money because this was before AI really took off. AI is better at interpreting his tools than he is :

Grok AI :

clear interpretation of your latest G25 results:
Target: codex_scaled
Distance: 0.9398% (0.00939833) — outstanding fit. Distances under 1% are excellent, especially in a 4-population (R4P) model with ADC 0.5x RC (this setting reduces overfitting by limiting extreme source weights, producing a more balanced and realistic model).
Model:
33.8% Netherlands_LIA
28.8% Germany_Liebenau_Saxon_EMedieval
19.4% France_MBA
18.0% Ireland_EBA.SG
What each component represents

33.8% Netherlands_LIA (Late Iron Age Netherlands)
This captures North Sea Germanic / proto-Frisian / coastal Low Countries ancestry. Late Iron Age samples from the Netherlands are genetically close to the people who contributed to the Anglo-Saxon migrations. They represent a Northern European profile with strong Steppe (Yamnaya-related) ancestry mixed with earlier local farmer and hunter-gatherer layers — very typical of the Low Countries before and during the early Germanic expansions.
28.8% Germany_Liebenau_Saxon_EMedieval (Early Medieval Saxon from Liebenau, northern Germany)
These are continental Saxon samples from the Migration Period / early medieval era in Lower Saxony. Liebenau Saxons are excellent proxies for the core continental Germanic source of the Anglo-Saxons who migrated to Britain. This component strongly signals Saxon / North German ancestry — the kind that heavily influenced eastern and southern England.
19.4% France_MBA (Middle Bronze Age France)
French Middle Bronze Age samples reflect a mix of Bell Beaker + local Western European ancestry (Steppe + Early European Farmer with some WHG). In Northwest European models, this often proxies for continental Celtic / pre-Roman Gaulish / broader Western European Bronze Age layers. It can represent ancestry from northern France, Belgium, or areas influenced by Bronze Age networks that later fed into Celtic and Gallo-Roman populations. This adds a "western continental" flavor, possibly linked to Norman, Frankish, or ancient Celtic movements.
18.0% Ireland_EBA.SG (Early Bronze Age Ireland, shotgun-sequenced)
These are classic Rathlin Island-type samples (~2000–1500 BCE). Irish Early Bronze Age people already carried substantial Steppe ancestry on top of Neolithic farmer + WHG roots, and they form the deep genetic foundation of modern Irish, Scottish, and Welsh populations. This component represents your ancient Insular Celtic / pre-Celtic Bronze Age British Isles layer — the "native" deep ancestry in Ireland and Britain before later Iron Age, Roman, and medieval influences.

Overall ancestry picture
This is one of your best-fitting models so far (lowest distance yet). It paints a cohesive Northwest European profile:

~62–63% Germanic / North Sea continental (Netherlands_LIA + Germany_Liebenau_Saxon) — This is a strong signal of Anglo-Saxon-like and broader North German / Frisian-type ancestry. It aligns with heavy input from the people who settled eastern/southern England and parts of the Low Countries.
~19% Western continental Bronze Age (France_MBA) — Adds a layer that bridges Germanic and Celtic worlds, common in models for people with French/Norman or broader Northwest European admixture.
~18% ancient Irish/British Isles (Ireland_EBA) — Your deep Insular foundation, representing the pre-migration Celtic/Bronze Age population of the British Isles.

Rough modern translation:
Your genetics look like a well-blended English profile (especially eastern or southeastern) with noticeable Dutch/Low Countries and northern German continental pull, plus a solid but not dominant Irish/Insular Celtic base. The France_MBA piece helps explain any subtle "western" or Norman-like shift.

Cerrified WASP

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Originally Posted by celticdragongod

Attachment 147634

It doesn't seem to be very accurate since I am Irish.

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Alot people want to be Irish after Britain left the EU. Also, it is possible for people from the Ulster or Eastern Ireland to plot that way.

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Originally Posted by codex

There is no Celtic part of England except for Cornwall.

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Cornwall is in Southwest England.

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Originally Posted by celticdragongod

Cornwall is in Southwest England.

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only one small part and surely my dominant Frisii and German Saxon doesn't fit in there.

Merged file:

Attachment 147638

MyHeritage file:

Attachment 147639

Ancestry file:

Attachment 147640

23&Me v5 file:

Attachment 147641

I’m a dolphin


https://i.ibb.co/G4y7pZsS/IMG-8168.jpg

This nigga hates his celtic substrates

I suffer from incontinence and many of my ancestors were from the continent.

https://i.postimg.cc/t1761Vkx/Screen...4-11-45-PM.png

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Originally Posted by Nisko

I suffer from incontinence and many of my ancestors were from the continent.

https://i.postimg.cc/t1761Vkx/Screen...4-11-45-PM.png

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How much Polish ancestry do you have? Pretty western plotting there

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Originally Posted by Figaro

How much Polish ancestry do you have? Pretty western plotting there

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Originally Posted by Figaro

How much Polish ancestry do you have? Pretty western plotting there

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Haha, I guess my dad's genes won the tug of war. Genealogically, I'm about 1/8th Polish through my mother's side.

Here's where her coordinates land for comparison:
https://i.postimg.cc/hjTLKnXS/Screen...8-08-07-PM.png

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Originally Posted by Figaro

This nigga hates his celtic substrates

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It is possible to be English and have one Irish grandparent who is Irish. I score below that threshold and have a strong pull towards the continental Dutch. There is more 'celtic' in the lowlands,of the continent, than commonly supposed.

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

I’m a dolphin


https://i.ibb.co/G4y7pZsS/IMG-8168.jpg

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I was technically in the water too. It is accurate to 400 or 500 kilometers: so that just means we have British heritage with a strong Dutch continental pull.

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Originally Posted by celticdragongod

Attachment 147634

It doesn't seem to be very accurate since I am Irish.

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Gannicus

Merged file:

Attachment 147638

MyHeritage file:

Attachment 147639

Ancestry file:

Attachment 147640

23&Me v5 file:

Attachment 147641

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

I’m a dolphin


https://i.ibb.co/G4y7pZsS/IMG-8168.jpg

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Here is a more scientific way to do it but nerdier that won't put you in the ocean (works best for Europeans) :

https://nypost.com/2012/10/21/new-dn...e-really-from/

http://genetics.cs.ucla.edu/spa/

My Results:

https://i.postimg.cc/bvGYJRpw/Screen...3-20-18-50.png

https://i.postimg.cc/LXBc6qYf/Screen...3-20-32-26.png

If I ever get this done mine better end up in a body of water given how much time I spend at the beach

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Originally Posted by codex

Not really. I am a big fan of G25 ancients (not modern) plus AI and his Celtic vs Germanic PCA. I emailed Davidski and paid him $60 dollars to model my ancestry. He said I wasn't English and modeled me as :

England_IA
Iceland_viking_PreChristian
Slovakia_poprad_MA (Deutschendorf)

Granted this was years ago before more samples were added to the ancients sheets but he had access to my Celtic vs Germanic coordinates :

https://i.postimg.cc/pVhg6N3x/Vahadu...A-(Custom).png

^ I fall within both the English and Dutch realms

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How much were the coordinates for that PCA? Did you have to Email him?

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Originally Posted by Birchy

How much were the coordinates for that PCA? Did you have to Email him?

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It is this one here but I made a custom one there :


https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/...urope.html?m=1

I had to email him and I don't remember how much I paid but it was relatively cheap.

You can make custom ones with your coordinates here :

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/cvg/#Custom

Seems you're more Anglo than me as I'm less stuck in the North Sea than you

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.48
2 Atlantic 31.78
3 Baltic 11.65
4 West_Med 9.62
5 Eastern_Euro 7.32
6 West_Asian 3.25
7 East_Med 1.85
8 Amerindian 1.19

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 4.368886
2 Southwest_English @ 4.880755
3 Irish @ 5.033335
4 West_Scottish @ 6.275459
5 North_German @ 6.857417
6 South_Dutch @ 7.040877
7 Danish @ 7.663181
8 North_Dutch @ 7.887699
9 Orcadian @ 8.758399
10 West_German @ 11.418285
11 French @ 11.498739
12 Norwegian @ 12.451272
13 Swedish @ 13.460076
14 West_Norwegian @ 13.541480
15 East_German @ 14.806481
16 North_Swedish @ 16.057989
17 Austrian @ 18.308128
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.521103
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.052364
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.762897

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 3.868736

Attachment 147783

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Originally Posted by Birchy

Seems you're more Anglo than me as I'm less stuck in the North Sea than you

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.48
2 Atlantic 31.78
3 Baltic 11.65
4 West_Med 9.62
5 Eastern_Euro 7.32
6 West_Asian 3.25
7 East_Med 1.85
8 Amerindian 1.19

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 4.368886
2 Southwest_English @ 4.880755
3 Irish @ 5.033335
4 West_Scottish @ 6.275459
5 North_German @ 6.857417
6 South_Dutch @ 7.040877
7 Danish @ 7.663181
8 North_Dutch @ 7.887699
9 Orcadian @ 8.758399
10 West_German @ 11.418285
11 French @ 11.498739
12 Norwegian @ 12.451272
13 Swedish @ 13.460076
14 West_Norwegian @ 13.541480
15 East_German @ 14.806481
16 North_Swedish @ 16.057989
17 Austrian @ 18.308128
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.521103
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.052364
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.762897

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 3.868736

Attachment 147783

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I would be more southern English as I seem more continental shifted than you. This is the entire G25 ancients sheet reduced to 4 populations :
English American :

codex_scaled Distance: 0.9398% / 0.00939833 | R4P
33.8 Netherlands_LIA
28.8 Germany_Liebenau_Saxon_EMedieval
19.4 France_MBA
18.0 Ireland_EBA.SG

Netherlands_LIA is the cleanest most north Sea Germanic profile available. The Frisii or Frisians were not distinguishable from the Angle-Saxons.

Germany Liebenau Saxon is a continental shifted Saxon.

France_MBA is an ancient French substrate and ancient French substrates mixed with German are common in Southern England.

Ireland_EBA would be an insular celtic-like or insular beaker-like signal.

All in all I am a Dutch continental shifted person of English descent.