https://i.postimg.cc/08mJ0tWT/hg.png
European Hunter-Gatherers (WHG(I) & EHG(R))
Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (G)
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (J)
Natufian Hunter-Gatherers (E)
https://i.postimg.cc/08mJ0tWT/hg.png
European Hunter-Gatherers (WHG(I) & EHG(R))
Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (G)
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (J)
Natufian Hunter-Gatherers (E)
WHG and EHG = Steppe, plains, lakes and swamps (Scandinavians, Celts, Balts, Slavs, Germanics, Finns, Hungarians)
ANF = Mediterranean sea shores and islands (Italics, Hellenics, Anatolian Turks, Armenians, Albanians, Sardinians, Cretans, Iberians)
CHG = Mountains, hills and valleys (Caucasians, Western Iranics, Eastern Iranics, Hindukush Indo-Aryans)
NHG = Deserts and rocks (Semites and Hamites)
what calculator to use so we align on it?
for example dad on Eurogenes HG vs Farmer on Gedmatch:
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 53.15%
Mediterranean Farmer 22.37%
Anatolian Farmer 16.44%
Middle Eastern Herder 4.23%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 1.86%
East Asian Farmer 1.17%
East African Pastoralist 0.78%
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -
while on MyHeritage: Hunter-Gatherer and Farmer Breakdown he gets:
European Hunter-Gatherer 39.2%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmer 37.0%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer 19.6%
Zagros Neolithic Farmer 3.0%
East Siberian Hunter-Gatherer 1.0%
Yellow River Neolithic Farmer 0.2%
so some southern Europeans, like my dad / some Romanians, can get HG as main component as well :cool:
I was going to comment on a lot of the implicit missconceptions in the approach proposed by the OP, but there are so many that I preferred not to say anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
Knowing beforehand that all their posts present a North versus South or East versus West confrontation, with a clear bias in favor of the East and North against the West and South, I generally avoid participating in what he proposes.
EHG together with WHG, in the same group...ok...
EHG=ANE+WHG and WHG suposedly has no ANE input, so...whay both under the same label???
Better call ANE Northern Asian HG and remove EHG from the sources...
And the vast majority of Europeans will receive a percentage of their genetic makeup derived from the Yamnaya contribution and similar Bronze Age peoples, not directly from the EHG...
And so many "buts"...
But well, itīs just "for fun", you know...
Code:ANE:Russia_MA1_HG.SG:MA1_noUDG.SG,0.079676,-0.023357,0.037335,0.186695,-0.070475,0.046575,-0.047472,-0.054921,-0.020452,-0.06925,0.028743,-0.010041,0.015907,-0.044865,0.017372,0.023071,-0.007302,0.00228,-0.00352,-0.00025,-0.028699,0.00371,0.011832,-0.006989,-0.002155
ANE:Russia_AfontovaGora3:AfontovaGora3_noUDG_d,0.095611,-0.017264,0.082589,0.230623,-0.089863,0.044901,-0.062043,-0.080997,-0.033746,-0.09695,0.049853,-0.010191,0.02215,-0.073903,0.020358,0.020419,-0.013821,0.003801,-0.004274,-0.002626,-0.037184,0.015209,0.013804,0.008314,-0.005987
WHG:Luxembourg_Loschbour.DG:Loschbour_snpAD.DG,0.130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.162492,0.059125,0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
WHG:Italy_North_Villabruna_HG:Villabruna_noUDG,0.121791,0.11577,0.18592,0.185726,0.156029,0.060798,0.017626,0.041537,0.093467,0.017859,-0.015752,-0.015886,0.020961,-0.005092,0.05361,0.064041,0.007562,0.004181,-0.00905,0.053401,0.099949,0.012489,-0.044123,-0.169904,0.018801
Code:Russia_EHG:UzOO77,0.117238,0.02945,0.126335,0.20446,-0.018773,0.058009,-0.017626,-0.029306,-0.004704,-0.083464,0.019324,-0.016036,0.029881,-0.05037,0.022122,0.030496,-0.001956,0.005448,0.001257,0.017008,-0.003494,0.02201,0.015159,-0.014942,-0.012933
Russia_Samara_HG:I0124,0.120652,0.051792,0.113136,0.204783,-0.005847,0.05773,-0.012221,-0.024691,-0.015339,-0.089113,0.015752,-0.020831,0.022002,-0.036057,0.020765,0.01432,-0.007041,-0.000253,-0.004777,0.008504,-0.011355,0.026462,0.009737,-0.023377,-0.00946
Target: Russia_Samara_HG:I0124
Distance: 7.6486% / 0.07648596
70.4 ANE
29.6 WHG
Target: Russia_EHG:UzOO77
Distance: 6.0510% / 0.06050975
72.2 ANE
27.8 WHG
Population Percentage
Anatolian Farmer 9.42%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 55.64%
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.56%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.94%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.32%
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 33.12%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -
Most northern Euro pops still have very significant EEF. What does any of this mean really..?
Pred. Yamnaya/CHG
Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (G)
Kenyan Pastoral Neolithic
Every ethnicity in Europe, including far northern europeans like Veps and Karelians, is dominantly ANF. I'm not sure about Komi, Mari, Saami, as I've never modeled them in qpadm.
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Looks like even the Mari are majority ANF.
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Looks like pretty much unless you are a Saami, if you're a European your dominant ancestry is ANF.
Rights: Mbuti.DG,Iran_Wezmeh_N.SG,Italy_Epigravettian_alt. AG.BY.AA,Russia_AfontovaGora3_UP.AG,China_Tianyuan .AG.BY.AA,Russia_Kostenki14_UP.SG,Russia_DevilsCav e_N.SG,Morocco_Iberomaurusian.AG,Georgia_Dzudzuana _UP.AG
tool: https://qpadm.app/
dataset: HOv62(Old)
ANF
Isn't this only true if you divide up the Steppe into smaller groups?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreiDNA
Poll options:Quote:
Originally Posted by celticdragongod
European Hunter-Gatherers (WHG(I) & EHG(R1))42.86%
Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (G)28.57%
Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (J)14.29%
Natufian Hunter-Gatherers (E)14.29%
I dont see no steppe...
You are denying the existence of Steppe ancestry? Since you apparently don't know, Steppe ancestry is made up of EHG and CHG which is generally the primary component in many Northern European populations.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreiDNA
lol WHAT?!Quote:
Originally Posted by celticdragongod
how do you get at that from my comment???
I'm just saying OP broke down europe into its Mesolithic components (WHG, EHG, CHG, ANF) and steppe wasn't a poll option
bro got 60 iQ
unless this is some sorta meta sarcasm that i didn't catch in which case well played